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ezone 07-12-2018 11:38 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER (Post 4747666)
Okay so I removed the relay from the socket and it still cranks in any gear. What does this mean? Short in the load side?

you pulled the wrong relay?





Or its bypassed somewhere

ezone 07-12-2018 11:39 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 
Effed up range switch?

D17VTECPOWER 07-12-2018 11:40 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by ezone (Post 4747670)
Effed up range switch?

I don't think so. All the indicator lights on the dash work correctly.

D17VTECPOWER 07-12-2018 11:42 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by ezone (Post 4747669)
you pulled the wrong relay?





Or its bypassed somewhere

I pulled RY1 on this diagram: http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/portfolio/e/udfrb.htm

ezone 07-12-2018 11:42 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 
You pulled the relay and you have a wire diagram.. Test, dont guess.





It's not the relay.

D17VTECPOWER 07-12-2018 11:48 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by ezone (Post 4747673)
You pulled the relay and you have a wire diagram.. Test, dont guess.





It's not the relay.

It can't be the relay since it still cranks without it installed. Something must be shorted. I'm too tired to go any farther with this tonight though since it's almost midnight here. Thanks for your help.

Wankenstein 07-13-2018 07:28 AM

Re: I think this is the end of my transmission
 

Originally Posted by NDNV (Post 4747620)
Don't go by the name of Shrink Dong :eek:

Gives me an idea for a name if I ever become a rapper:
DJ Shrinky Dink Dong

Wankenstein 07-13-2018 07:33 AM

Re: I think this is the end of my transmission
 

Originally Posted by ezone (Post 4747624)
Do it! Do it! Do it!


D17VTECPOWER 07-13-2018 08:46 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 
Would it be a bad idea to ignore this issue?

ezone 07-13-2018 10:54 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER (Post 4747704)
Would it be a bad idea to ignore this issue?

Depends®

D17VTECPOWER 07-14-2018 09:23 AM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by ezone (Post 4747708)
Depends®

Basically, I'm asking if ignoring this issue will strand me, damage something, burn my car down, or do something else nasty. I WILL NOT start it in gear, so no need to worry about that. Even if I did (which I won't), I always use the parking brake, so it's not going anywhere.

ezone 07-14-2018 02:31 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER (Post 4747721)
Basically, I'm asking if ignoring this issue will

What do YOU think?

D17VTECPOWER 07-14-2018 03:49 PM

Re: Engine cranks in any gear?
 

Originally Posted by ezone (Post 4747725)
What do YOU think?

I think it's fine to ignore.

D17VTECPOWER 07-14-2018 07:22 PM

Re: Info about installing a JDM PCM in a USDM car
 
So I have an update.The JDM PCM that came with the harness I bought, part number 37820-PSA-J84, is a direct drop in replacement for the original PCM. It works flawlessly with the stock harness, as well as the JDM harness I bought. The only odd thing is that it sets a P1713 code when the shifter is put in 2, and it has a flashing key light. But it drives fine and there are no other problems. I'm just not sure if it would pass an inspection with this PCM, but we don't have inspections here, so it's not a problem for me, but it may be for you. Thanks for your help guys!

D17VTECPOWER 07-15-2018 09:36 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 
Well I think I killed my alternator running my inverter off of it. I was drawing about 300 watts from it constantly for about 4 hours, and 2 days later, the alternator is dead. The alternator was full fielded producing a steady 13.4 volts the whole time. Could very well be a coincidence that it died right after I ran the inverter off of it, I don't know. I bought a rebuilt 160 amp alternator on Ebay. I have other alternators, but I'm sick of replacing these crappy OEM alternators every couple of years. I've also been stranded, 2 times from alternator failures, and I'm just sick of this.

GolNat 07-15-2018 09:48 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

I bought a rebuilt alternator off eBay
Might have just been it’s time to go...


Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER (Post 4747762)
crappy OEM alternators every couple of years

I have never replaced an alternator in one of my Honda’s. I think the OEM ones are great.

P=IE solve for I. I=P/E

300W/12V = 25 Amps. That’s not straining it much.

D17VTECPOWER 07-15-2018 10:04 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by GolNat (Post 4747764)
Might have just been it’s time to go...



I have never replaced an alternator in one of my Honda’s. I think the OEM ones are great.

P=IE solve for I. I=P/E

300W/12V = 25 Amps. That’s not straining it much.

From my experience, I disagree that OEM Honda alternators are great. It was replaced twice by the dealer under warranty, and then another 2 or 3 times by me. But you're right that 25 amps isn't that much, so maybe coincidence. As I understand, when an alternator is pushed beyond its current limit, it just won't output enough power and the battery will drain as a result. As I understand, nothing will be damaged. Is that correct?

GolNat 07-15-2018 10:14 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 
That is my understanding as well. Alternator supplies 100 Amps. You need 120 so the battery gives you 20 Amps on top of the alternators 100 until the battery dies. I would think it’s also not designed to run at max load all the time and engineers pick output based on load needs. Car needs 60 Amps to run so we will put a 100 amp in to not over do it. Sure running a 100 amp alternator at 100 Amps often will wear it more but you were drawing 25 Amps off of it for 4 hours not 4 months.

I think you have other issues if you are going through OEM alternators like that. Not the typical at all.

D17VTECPOWER 07-15-2018 10:21 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by GolNat (Post 4747772)
That is my understanding as well. Alternator supplies 100 Amps. You need 120 so the battery gives you 20 Amps on top of the alternators 100 until the battery dies. I would think it’s also not designed to run at max load all the time and engineers pick output based on load needs. Car needs 60 Amps to run so we will put a 100 amp in to not over do it. Sure running a 100 amp alternator at 100 Amps often will wear it more but you were drawing 25 Amps off of it for 4 hours not 4 months.

I think you have other issues if you are going through OEM alternators like that. Not the typical at all.

Thanks. So in theory, the more power drawn from the alternator, the quicker it wears out?

RobertD 07-16-2018 11:00 AM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 
you should make sure the alternator cable is thick enough to handle the upgrade. 160 is quite a jump and manufacturers generally don't waste money on thicker wiring than is needed. it may save you from writing a post about melted wiring or fried fusible links.
https://alternatorparts.com/wire-size-chart.html

D17VTECPOWER 07-16-2018 11:13 AM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by RobertD (Post 4747789)
you should make sure the alternator cable is thick enough to handle the upgrade. 160 is quite a jump and manufacturers generally don't waste money on thicker wiring than is needed. it may save you from writing a post about melted wiring or fried fusible links.
https://alternatorparts.com/wire-size-chart.html

You are absolutely correct! I already have a 2 gauge power cable for the alternator in addition to the stock cable, so I'm good there. Great point though! Thanks.

sdaidoji 07-16-2018 04:04 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER (Post 4747773)
Thanks. So in theory, the more power drawn from the alternator, the quicker it wears out?

you are missing the point


Originally Posted by GolNat (Post 4747772)
I think you have other issues if you are going through OEM alternators like that. Not the typical at all.


D17VTECPOWER 07-16-2018 06:32 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by sdaidoji (Post 4747798)
you are missing the point

I guess the car has been defective since it was new then.

sdaidoji 07-16-2018 07:22 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER (Post 4747801)
I guess the car has been defective since it was new then.

have you had the car since new then? You would be quite young by then, tho...

D17VTECPOWER 07-16-2018 07:30 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by sdaidoji (Post 4747804)
have you had the car since new then? You would be quite young by then, tho...

It's been in the family since it was new. My mom gave it to me when I was 18.

Colin42 07-16-2018 07:46 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 
I thought this car was a former rental car?

D17VTECPOWER 07-16-2018 07:49 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by Colin42 (Post 4747806)
I thought this car was a former rental car?

I should have said almost new. It had 10K miles or something. To me, that's new. LOL

Colin42 07-16-2018 08:13 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 
God only knows what may have happened to that car in those 10k miles...
Avoid former rental cars like the plague.

D17VTECPOWER 07-16-2018 08:20 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 

Originally Posted by Colin42 (Post 4747808)
God only knows what may have happened to that car in those 10k miles...
Avoid former rental cars like the plague.

I agree. I didn't pay for it though. Mom gave it to me for free for my 18th birthday, so I can't complain. :)

D17VTECPOWER 07-16-2018 09:58 PM

Re: Will an alternator fry if it’s overloaded?
 
If an alternator can't be damaged from a heavy load, why do almost all alternators say to fully charge the battery before you start the car? Don't they say that so the alternator doesn't overload and fail?


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