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Ok i did a search, but i still want more info. What is the difference between a cup kit and a shock/spring combination? What are the pros and cons of each? Thanks

 
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Cup kit is what H&R refers to the full coilovers.

 
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no, H & R has full coilovers and a cup kit.

 
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H&R's cup kit is basically a matched set of spring and shocks... it goes pretty low.. I think 2.25" ? and has a matched shock with the spring rate... unlike a coilover its not adjustable... u can't adjust the shock rates too like knois...

although I think u can find very good deals on it.. I duno if its out yet though.

for those that dont want to bother finding a specific spring they like.. and the specific shocks they want (not that we have that many choices)

this is a good choice.. I duno how it rides.. but its probably more sporty and ride comfort is gone a bit.. but its probably still decent since H&R went through the trouble of R&D the spring rate and shock rates...

I think nit runs for about $600-700

 
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yup, what he said...
so main point being its spring/shock designed to work together.
IMO it would be better then a neuspeed race + koni because konis are the same length as stock shocks. i would guess the cup kit offers shortened struts so that you maintain full stroke.

 
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in terms of suspension performance, how would they performa differently than say Tokico's plus Eibachs?

 
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well i'm not 100% sure about the cup but here are possible differences...
-cup kit is like a 2.5/2.25" drop i think while eibach is 1.2/1.7(depending on what springs)
-eibachs are more geared toward the person who wants the comfortable ride so they tend to be softer
-i would think the cup kit is more geared toward the race(by looking at the drop) which would mean stiffer springs
-and as i mentioned.. tokicos are going to be the same length as stock shocks and are going to be compressed 24/7 and wont retain the full stroke with lowering springs such as eibach. cup kit should have shocks that are shortened thus giving you full stroke.
i personally would go with the cup kit rather then tokico/eibach. tokico is probably going to be $400. eibachs $200 = $600. i think you can find the cup kits on groupbuycenter.com for $600. the h&r website says its out for our cars but i heard they werent out yet. if its too low of a drop for you then eibach/tokico should be good enough for your average driver. or if you want a slightly stiffer setup, neuspeed would be a good choice, much cheaper then eibachs too...

 
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Thanks for the info. It said the cup kit drops 2" and 1.7" which i think might be too low. I only wanted to go 1.5" - 1.75". That info really clears things up. Thanks.

 
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You can look at my car's pics. I have about a 2.25 front and rear with all the work I have done. I wonder if I should get the lower control arms from SPC. That is what is delaying my alignment. I should just get the alignment.

Pics of my car

 
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2" and 1.7" isn't too low I think. anything over 2 may be..

but take a look at ASWzero.. I mean he has 2.25 and it doesnt look that low.

I may consider the cup kit one day. *shrug* then shop for a spring and shock.

 
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Do the front two still need to be gutted to be installed, like the koni setup?

 
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to my knowledge as of yet, nope... i doubt you would have to

 
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I think the cup kit sounds like a great set-up, especially if they are height and damping adjustable. I currently have the Neuspeed sports and prefer not to go much lower than my current stance. The cup kit at 2" front and 1.75" rear sounds close enough.

The cup kit may require you to gut your stock struts unless they have a steering arm attached to the shock body/spring mount. If they have a steering arm attached it increases the cost of manufacture, which could explain the $929.00 retail as listed on hrsprings.com. Though I hope to find a set for around $600.00 as many people have already seen advertised.

I agree with what VNlilMAN has mentioned before, if you can get the cup kit for around $600.00, compare that to a seperate spring/shock purchase of $600.00 - $700.00 and that cup kit springs and shocks are matched, the cup kit would probably be best if you can afford it. As I said, I plan to eventually loose the Neuspeed Sports for a cup kit.

I hope someone will post a thread when this kit and others like it come available for our 7thgen Civics!

 
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the cup kit IS adjustable.

 
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oh and yes, i know for a pact the cup kit is going to $585.

 
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and i really want this kit but i'm thinking 2" front and 1.7 rear. that seems like an awkward drop to me. i may just adjust the rear to around 2".

 
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Just a thought, but if the kit is adjustable for height why is the drop labeled as 2" front and 1.7" rear? Shouldn't it be labeled more of a range such as 0.5-2" front and 0.5-1.7" rear? H&R's true coil over kit for a 1997 Civic, for example, lists a lowering range. Also, the shocks alone for the 1997 Civic are listed as Damping/Height Adjustable? It appears that we will just have to wait for the release of the kit to see what adjustments are on this kit.

Lowering specs for Civics found at: http://www.hrsprings.com/site/frameapplications.html

Also, when information is given as fact, could we all list our source of information. Such as where we found the price and specifications, something to help others find this information a little easier. Listing this on posts to any forum greatly helps us all.

Thanks,

Larry R.

 
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i think i've said this before already but i think they're going to be like konis. you know how the rear konis are "height adjustable". you move a clip or something. its not like coilovers where you have threads... in order to adjust the height on konis, i think it requires you to take apart the strut assembly rather then with coilovers, you dont.. i think thats going to be the difference.. and you probably wont have much height adjustment. probably 1" the most.