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This is a repost from ClubRSX. Check out the thread: Ingalls Camber Kits SUCK!!! Don't buy Ingalls!
These are the same ones as they sell for our cars. I'm glad that I bought SPC. Haven't heard of anything like this happening with the SPC.

 
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I don't really see the problem. One person out of hundreds has a problem with these, and Ingalls is working with him to correct the problem. I've had mine over a year and done numerous trips down the drag strip and have had no problems with mine at all.

Until I see like 30 other people with this problem, I would recommend Ingalls to anyone that asked.

 
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Since I don't understand the science behind camber kits, I never thought of this type of thing. You can lose control of the vehicle if the kit breaks? Is it dangerous to not have a camber kit at all? Besides the obvious tire wear issues? Help me out! Thanks


P.S. If I am not getting a camber kit in the near future, should I get an alignment?

 
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Yeah, if the kit breaks then the wheel will go inwards and will rub against the fender well. The part that the camber kits replace in back is a part that keeps the camber locked when the wheel moves up and down. Dangerous not to have a camber kit? No, there's this one part there that's just set at a certain camber.

 
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So guys which one would you recommend SPC or Ingalls?

Just wondering because My Gc's should be gettin here Fri. or Sat and I will need a camber kit.........Thanks

 
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SPC, at least for 7th gens. and I remember reading posts from a while back that talked about how SPC is a better camber kit for our cars than ingalls.

 
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i have ingalls camber kit and i dont have any problems yet, had them about a month

 
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Umm doesn't Ingalls expressly state that their camber kits are not intended for racing and are not a performance part?

 
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Mann that looks cheap!! I just saw this guy selling ingall camber kits and damn I thought it was a lot skinnier than my camber. The SPC is the one I have and its like 2 times as thick as that. I have to agree that ingalls are not good. You can just tell by looking at it

 
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I have Ingalls on my car. I haven't had any problems with them since I've put them on. They're still at the same settings as they were when installed. Ingalls is good in my book. And like DRJ said, this is just one incident, I'll start worrying if I start hearing about this again and again...

Oh, and maybe the guy that was using it used the Rubber Kits (for street driving), or something..... I don't know.....

 
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But I mean.....Just look at that thing itself. Looks so fragile, probably you dont have any problems now but just wait in the long run. Till then its already too late and your car is gone. Better safe than sorry and get SPC's, quality much better.

 
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I've have my Ingalls/GC's/Koni's on for over a year. No problems.

 
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kind of surprised a mod here posted this liek that.but anywho....There have been actually MORE problems with SPC kits im told..... they were having problems with the rear kits severing or puncturing brake lines..... the SPC may appear parger but uts only actually a metal outter shell covering almost identical interiors of te slimmer looking Ingalls....has anyone here had their ingalls break??? I dont see anyone posting MY HONDA CIVIC SUCKS because one thing went wrong out of 10000.... and yours was the only one error.....Being a product designer and seeing things like this after a one in 10000 brakage or what have you, is still rather good margin for success and engineering in alot of products. Just think before you post on someone elses rare finding or experiance....

 
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SPC rear camber kits severing or puncturing brake lines? I don't think so. Point me to some threads, I haven't heard anything like that. SPC may appear larger, but that's only an outer shell and the interior of the SPC camber kits and the Ingalls camber kits are the same? I don't think so. The SPC is thicker everywhere, actually it's a solid design. There is no "shell". I had the first Ingalls design and it sucked so much *** that I got rid of it ASAP. Now they redesigned their product and here's a case of one failing! This is bad news. They either have a really crappy manufacturing process, or the design still sucks! Even after the re-design.

On a side note, do you happen to sell Ingalls camber kits?

 
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actually i do sell the ingalls camber kit.....and since reading that post on club rsx i have been trying to kind out what i can about the 2 kits.. does anyone even know if that guy had the redesigned ingalls kit or not? i want to know for my own reasons, i myself have the ingalls, and want it to be working well too.so thats where my concerns lie. i hadnt read ion a thread that the SPC kit messed up some brake lines, it was learned from my supplier of ingalls kits that had looked into the comparison of the kits. and how can you say that the manufactuing process is majorly flawed or the design is horible, with seeing only this one case of brakage? i just think its a lot to assume about a product from one problem with one person out of the ton of ingalls kits sold.

 
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Actually Ingalls is located about 30 min from where i am currently working....if i can get some better insight i will to try to come to a solid conclusion on things.

 
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Actually, you know what? That is the old design. The updated design looks different. Okay, maybe that's why they updated it. The old ones break. So... I guess I should change my little rant. Don't buy the old Ingalls camber kits for our cars! Only buy the new design. The old design has the part that the brake lines attach to on the rotating piece and it's thinner.

 
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i just wrote ingalls as well to see if they could give me any info as well...... i just like having solid facts before i say anything concrete... i know i you made a falty peddle set or something and sold thousands..you wouldnt be happy is someones said "dont buy greys peddlles...the suck!" cause 1 broke or something.... thats kind or how i look at it. no one likes to have there work or product be ripped apart from one error... im sure we all can relate.

 
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This is a response i got from Ingalls explaining the part in question:



The picture is really bad, but if you look right above were it mounts to the car you will see a dent were the arm was smacking against the chassis. Again the picture is bad but you can barely see on the arm were it was hitting the chassis. This arm was NOT defective, he didn't check for clearance. This is not a problem inherit to Ingalls. All aftermarket arms for this model are very closely designed and the area that was hitting is the same size. If Ingalls hits they all will hit.

What is up with the spring in his car? The top coils are collapsed. This looks like it has been lowered much more that 1.5".

A simple check by moving the suspension through full travel after altering the suspension geometry will always locate any suspension clearance problems.

Spacing the end that mounts to the chassis down with a couple spaces adds clearance to avoid this.

I called him and told him if one side was binding he better check the the other side.

I will attach a picture showing were it hit more clearly







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Yeah, it looks like that might have been the problem. Those coils do looks awfully close together. Crappy springs I guess? Stock cut springs? Who knows... Good to know though. Always check for suspension clearance when you lower. Maybe a few washers would have prevented this problem? I will modify my setup when I lower my car, that's for sure. I don't want my SPC camber kit to die on my when I hit a bump.

 
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Reviving the dead...

I'm about to buy a rear camber kit, but after seeing this pic I'm starting wonder if the Ingall kit is really that well designed. Specifically the part thats cracked open, it looks like some really thin metal there, not more then a 1/16th or maybe even 3/32 of an inch?




Does anyone know if the SPC is thicker in this area?

 
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you get what you paid for......


if you love your car....be willing to invest in top of the line products....


would you buy....
(1) Ingalls - 20% chance of failure
(2) SPC- 5% chance of failure

piece of mind

 
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Kewl.. thanks fo the reply. But I have to ask you where you got those figures from. Are you just guessing? I'd really like to see a pic of the SPC part, especially in this area.. I cant seem to find any on the net that have this close up... grrr.

 
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yeah there installation instruction guide specifically says that! I was lookin at buying some today at the dealership & now i dunno what to do!

 
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well i heard on several occasions our cars work better with the SPC kit, thank god i got the SPC. Ingalls had a god rep but even if one flaw occured i would be wary to buy them. IO have yet to see or hear anything negative towards SPC's kit

 
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This is a very interesting thread, are these the only two camber kit for our cars, can you please tell me the other kits that are avaliable. thanks.

 
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Eibach(made by SPC?), APC I think makes one and AROSPEED. Probably more out there...

 
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Yeah, there's the Hotchkis one for the RSX too. It's either out already or will be shortly. They have some nice pics on their site. Go to google.com and search for Hotchkis Engineering.

 
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I had the redesigned Ingalls rear camber kit, and not only does it look almost identical to the SPC ones, but its way better than the old Ingalls. I would never worry about it breaking, it looks actually stronger to me than the SPC one.