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[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]honda Im going to dump this civic everything is wrong with these cars honda just really took the cheap way out this time I understand thats ita a 14K dollar car but this is ridiculas [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] 1st the frt susp knocks/2nd the frt brks make knocking noises when cold sometimes/3rd the car shocks me everytime i get out/4th the interior rattles/5th the clutch is starting to make hissing noises when first engaged I dont recommend these cars to anyone just read some of the other forums and youll see. ive always had my trust in honda but this is it theyve really done it this time im going buy another old Datsun 510 over this trash I hope not to offend anyone who owns these cars but i hope you ve purchased extended warranty with your car because your gonna need it i really thought that Honda has thier head screwed on right but since the 01 model came out its been horrible i also owned a 96 HB with 150K miles not one problem but this 02 has less than 9K miles and ive been battling these problems since new so good bye Civic Hello 510"s


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Right on! These cars blow!

 
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I've had my 2001 civic for almost a year now!!!!
NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!!!!! If you treat your car well, its will treat you back.
Runs very smooth!
Honda quality!

 
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<< Honda quality! >>

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<< NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!!!!! If you treat your car well, its will treat you back. >>


well that would be a pretty good trick since all the problems with my car were there when I picked up the car from the dealership.

 
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<< NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!!!!! If you treat your car well, its will treat you back. >>



please explain...vague and general. Do you mean to tell me that the CIVIC has emotions and feelings like umm, regular people? WOW!

BTW- Don't ever make assumptions about people without knowing them.

 
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Right on! These cars blow!



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My Awesome MODS:
Seat that slides and rocks.
Knocking suspension.
faulty car horn.
rattles everywhere.
repaired CD storage door
Faulty air bag sensors
Auto shifter button that sticks
Peeling and chipping paint
More to come....!






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You seem to be very ver nit picky. If the seat rocks and slides, get it fixed. Its not gonna cost you anything. So whats you problem?? Rattles everywhere?? Give me a break, every car rattles. My civic rattles..... You know what I do, ignore it or find a way to fix it yourself. CD storage door repaired, OH MY, thats such a terrible thing to happen!!!!
As for the rest of your problems, you got a point.
But let me ask you a question, does you civic get you from point A to point B??? I bet it does. And it to where you want to be with great fuel economy.
I would talk to me about Honda being Sh$t. My dad HAD a chrysler Sebring a few years ago. That car's transmission broke a month after he bought it. Now thats bad. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.........remember that.
Im sure you will respond and be all bitter, but its ok. Everyone is intitled to there own opinion.

HHH

 
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nycivic: I see you complain about your problems a lot here, but up until this point, I still didn't really know what they were until I saw your list now.

The only real problems I see are the knocking suspension and the air bag sensors. But lots of other people have had these problems and got them fixed. I had a leaking strut fixed recently, and tomorrow, they're going to take care of my rocking seat back. Not a big deal. What's the story with your dealer?

You know, compared to 2cute, your problems are quite minor. She can build quite a case for a lawsuit... I'm not too sure about your case though.

 
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Everyone must come to the simple realization of this fact:

EVERY car is different... just like human beings because on the inside they're so complex... and not everything is always top-notch.

Honda is known for making some of the best cars in terms of build quality, but that doesn't mean there's not going to be a bad apple out of ALL the cars they make. If they were car gods, then we'd have no issues and everyone would be driving one, right? Well, just like Bluebirdz22 here's another person who would rather not drive a Honda or the particular one he put his money into. It's disappointing knowing you put so much money into a new machine and expect it to work properly and it ends up not working as well.

Your car will treat you well if it treats you well back, but not all were meant to treat you well as they are supposed to. For the people who are bestowed this disappointment from such a car maker you can have high expectations about... what can I say? I'm sorry. My 2k2 isn't even problem-free and I'm fortunate to have received a car that still rates as a great use of transportation, but believe me... it can be ANYONE who's given a bad apple since they're still sold at dealers. I've realized that it's not always easy to get rid of the lemon Honda they have or at least get it fixed.

I can also agree that the new Civic's reliability status is falling compared to the older gen Civics, and I'm sure the majority of us who find that this is true will ask the question, "What's up with Honda lately?" For their signature car, the Civic doesn't seem to live up to what it's famous for being since it's initial debut. With that, some can agree, and some can disagree depending on what they've been given by a Honda dealership.

Realize the truth that even a Honda can be created as a low-level POS. But Honda is just like any other car maker that can make lemons...

My apologies go to 2cute for acting like an *** when she complained about her Civic... because I've realize it's not always easy dealing with or replacing a lemon. I've kept an eye on the issues people have had with their car (including hers) and it shocked me at first, but not anymore it does... so you have my sympathy - and support!


-Zell

 
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y'know... every car has problems... half the reason i decided to buy new was because of warranty... the other half is because I can treat the car nicely from the day it rolls off the lot... my civic has the occasional rattle, and i had the driver seat fixed... but y'know... it hasn't left me stranded on the side of the road anywhere like the 2001 sunfire i helped out on the weekend. You see I did research before buying this car.. I found out that it isn't actually a racecar! imagine that. In fact, it's nothing more than one of the top economy cars on the road... I drive it as such, and here i am 8mos later and not disappointed in the least with my car.

Anyways best of luck with your datsun. cya.

 
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i guess that the dx is the almighty civic, cause i have had mine for almost 1 year now and the only time it went into the shop was for the 2 recalls and inspection, plus the time that i fried my electrical system with my amp and exposed wires(my fault), but suprisingly i got it all fixed and a new battery out of it for 15 bux and the only problem with my car that i noticed is MILD vibration, nothing that bad cause for 2 months i went without any form of audio in my car and i never really heard strange noises although it did get real boring... i love my honda but if you do have problems then take it back as for me i will keep it anohter year or 2 [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

plus i need my car casue i drive 200 miles a day to school and back and most other cars would leave me penniless every month but this one helps me out...

 
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<< My apologies go to 2cute for acting like an *** when she complained about her Civic... because I've realize it's not always easy dealing with or replacing a lemon. I've kept an eye on the issues people have had with their car (including hers) and it shocked me at first, but not anymore it does... so you have my sympathy - and support! >>


Thank you I apreciate that. Well on a good note I guess I finally got my brakes replaced under warrenty. Hey it only took 12,000 miles to get them to do it.


<< I would talk to me about Honda being Sh$t. My dad HAD a chrysler Sebring a few years ago. That car's transmission broke a month after he bought it. Now thats bad. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.........remember that. >>


I had my car for less than a week and the transmission problem began. DON"T tell me that the grass isn't always greener.


<< You seem to be very ver nit picky. If the seat rocks and slides, get it fixed. Its not gonna cost you anything. So whats you problem?? Rattles everywhere?? Give me a break, every car rattles. My civic rattles..... You know what I do, ignore it or find a way to fix it yourself. CD storage door repaired, OH MY, thats such a terrible thing to happen!!!! >>


I have a feeling you were talking to NYCIVIC but if you were talking to me and missed the problems with my car let me relist them for you
1. Transmission popping out of second gear(should have been covered under TSB#01-081 but since they couldn't reproduce the problem they wouldn't fix the problem. They knew nothing about the TSB and had initially told me the problem was caused by me forcing my car into gear without even looking at the car)
2. The SRS sensor malfunctioned.
3. Brakes were gone at 5,000 miles(they saw no defect in the brakes its just cuz I'm a sh!tty driver)
4. Yeah I have all the little rattles
5. the alternator went
6. the cv boot went
7. the front ball joint was damaged
8. the front knuckle bearing was damaged
9. my strut still has not been fixed
10. the driver window makes an obnoxious noise
11. the windsheild is chipping more than I have ever seen a windsheild chip
12. Now my transmission (since replacing gears 1, 2, and 5 and replacing the shift fork for gears 1 and 2)doesn't always want to go into gears 1 and 3
13. my speedometer (can't reproduce therefore won't fix)

I know there are more but i just can't keep track anymore


<< But let me ask you a question, does you civic get you from point A to point B??? I bet it does. And it to where you want to be with great fuel economy. >>


no it doesn't always get me from point A to point B since it is in the shop and Honda refuses to give me a rental car.

So like I have said before for those of you that got a great Civic more power to you but for those of us that got sh!tty Civics let us vent our frusrations without people telling us that we are wrong. I know I will win and my time will come but guess what I just have to deal with this sh!tty car until the dumba$$es at Honda get their **** together. If you don't like what I have to say or what other people with problems have to say then don't post in the VEHICLE/ISSUES FORUM!!!!!! It is as simple as that!

 
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just thought id let you know This car has been BABIED since new HON[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]DA

 
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A lot of people say "There has been nothing wrong with my Civic, it's been perfect since day 1.".......

Well, so are some Hyundais. And Pontiacs. And Dodges. And Ladas. They can all be perfect...

But you know what? What differenciates a reliabe automaker vs an unreliable one is the BIG picture. And the fact is, the 7th Gen Civic has been generally, overall, not very reliable. Not just to Honda standards, but the automaker's general standards.

If you talk to an honest Honda mechanic, they will tell you that. Of course, not one mechanic knows all the answers. After all, he fixes and maintanes a small percentage of Civics on the road. However, I've quested the reliability of the new Civics to 8 Honda mechanics, and 7 of them told me that they are not reliable.

So yeah, to say the new Civics are unreliable, is a fair. Maybe it was an engineering error, or poor quality control. Whatever it may be, it is pi$$ing off a lot of customers who paid a lot of money to buy a brand new car. And a supposively a reliable one, with a Honda reputation.

 
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some squeeks and rattles and your out?!?!?

man you better go puchase like a benz or a lexus or something...

 
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ive had my 02 ex since jan. 7 and it hasnt been to the dealer since. sure the interior has some rattles, but they are nothing compared to the glove box rattle i had in my 88 dodge omni that was so loud that it could still be heard with the radio at max volume or the really loud rattles in my girlfriends POS 95 hyundai elantra

 
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First off. I never set out to sue American HONDA. Secondly, I don't think my problems compare to 2Cute's and I've even told her that. Thirdly, I have had the seat fixed three times and now two different HONDA dealers, a factory rep a third party technician and American HONDA have all told me that the wiggling and sliding of the seat is "a part of the design of the car". This leads me to believe that HONDA has dropped their standards and is willing to put out sub par equipment.

Lastly, I agree with you Ronin the suspension and air bag sensors are repairable. The air bag sensor has been recently repaired and I have to take the car in for the suspension in a few days.

You just have to realize that when you make the decision to buty a HONDA you don't expect to have to constantly return to the dealer to have everything tweaked and fixed every month. I don't think I'm being unfair and I think I have every right to complain.

You buy these cars thinking that repairs will be minimal because they're known for their reliability. My last CIVIC was nothing but oil changes every 300, that's it. the 6th gen was a much better car. I think most HONDA owners who've owned both will tell you that. That in itself is scary.

Finally, I don't care what kind of a problem it is, if I have to keep going back to the dealer to have things fixed, it's a problem. I don't care if it's a screw that falls out of the fu&ccedil;king thing. The 7thgeneration CIVIC is a disaster, just read any comparison review in MOTOR TREND or CAR AND DRIVER, it never fares well. When A FORD FOCUS and MAZDA PROTEGE are given higher reviews you have fallen off. CIVIC used to be KING.

Also, ask any HONDA technician about the 7thgen Civic's as compared to the 6th gen CIVIC's. Even they will tell you that the amount of complaints on this car is much greater than that of previous models.

If you have no problem bringing your car in all the time than more power to you, you have more tolerance than I. I am a busy man, I have a life and spending it in a HONDA DEALERSHIP service department is not my idea of a good time.

 
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Alright, alright, quit your b!tching. So you got a lemon, this we know. It happens sometimes. We know that these cars have problems. Sheesh.

 
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Never mind Fraga who forgot about freedom of speech.

 
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Well look around. If you can't trust Honda who can you trust? Toyota pretty much. So now you're limited to one car manufacturer.

 
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And Honda believes in their cars so much, I'm sure they will give you Edward's or Blue Book trade in value, if you were to trade it in for an Accord.

Ya right, they would rather see you come in with a PT Cruiser than a Civic.

 
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ya every car is different...my civic has an attitude problem..one of those rebelious type. I think civic hates my guts![IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG]
maybe is because were not connecting or communicating as much. wut do u think?

 
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I used to work at a Honda dealership and then an Acura dealership. Everyone should buy the 100k warranty with their civic for less than $700 because YOU WILL NEED IT and the dealer should be willing to sell the warranty for that price. Right now there are about 20 different recalls on the civic that they are not telling you about, nor are they legally obligated to tell you about. Maybe we can find someone to do an F.Y.I. like they do a D.I.Y. on the recalls.

 
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<< And Honda believes in their cars so much, I'm sure they will give you Edward's or Blue Book trade in value, if you were to trade it in for an Accord. >>



no never they told me they would repurchase it for the used car value. I think not I wish I had never bought this car. My life would have been so much simpler.

 
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Just so you know your not the only one. My Car shocks the hell out of me whenever i get out. the plus side is if don't touch the metal when i step out and then go give my gf a kiss she gets the s h i t shocked out of her through my lips. Thats weird but it happens all the time. don't know a fix for that one...

 
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I have to agree with the people complaining here, and I guess I 'm one of them. After having driven my '97 DX for 4.5yrs and 141k mi. without a problem, my '01 EX is disappointing. I 've been to the dealer 4 times so far which is not bad compared to other people but it is something I have never experienced with my other Hondas & Acuras before. I 've had an Integra for 3yrs now and have never been to the dealer for anything and I officially race the car all the time! I also beat the crap out of my '97 Civic DX before.. Surprisingly I 've done nothing but babying this '01 EX and it's the one giving me problems. These are my 4 trips to the dealer, most of them accompanied by Chk.Eng.light
- Dealer had gas tank dropped to replace faulty clamp that was letting gas evaporate.
- Dealer has replaced evap. shut valve.
- Dealer installed evap. bypass valve
- Alternator started making loud noises! Dealer replaced it.

I have not bothered the dealer with the squeaks and rattles yet and probaly won't ever because my time is precious and don't like wasting it at a dealer's waiting area.
My motor has gotten very loud lately and at 3k RPM the DB levels are what they were at 4K. When accelerating over 5K RPM the car kind of "kicks" a couple of times where it never did that before. Started doing it around 24k mi. (got 26k now).
The rotors are either warped already or I need to get some good aftermarket pads because the steering wheel shakes like a 'motha' when depressing the brake pedal. The engine compartment looks like I went off-roading for a week and it has every imagineable road debris in it except maybe road kill.

I did purchase the extended warranty and I 'm glad I did because I knew I was buying a new gen. car with a totally new motor than previous gens (gens 5 & 6 had mostly identical motors & parts). Talked the guy down to $690 for 100k mi./0 ded. Don't know how many of you have owned previous Civics but this new gen is unlike the previous 2-3 gens in reliability and that's a fact. If you can live it with it fine, but this is not what I expected from Honda as a previous Civic owner. If Toyota comes out with 2-dr Corolla, watch the Civic sales drop. Went to 2 different Toyota dealerships with my sister and the sticker was considerably less than Civic EX even with extra options like alloy wheels and spoiler! Mark my words. This is going to be known as an undesireable Civic generation and will not hold its value as well as old gens. Having said that, if I get one more problem this year, the car is history

 
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vtecharry: from what you just posted, I am pretty sure you are the same only1harry from the edmunds civic forum. Am I right?

Wow, I never knew you had so many problems with your EX. I asked you how you liked your Civic a while ago on the Edmunds site, and you said that you loved it, and that it was better than your 97 DX in many ways.

Howcome all of a sudden you're ready to get rid of it? From all your posts on the edmunds site, I had the feeling you were very satisfied with your 2k1.

 
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Hi Ronin, yes it's me from Edmund's. Did you finally get your new shocks? I think I 'll try and brake mine so I can get new ones. The bunny hopping and bouncing is getting worse in mine.
I have actually not posted that I 've been happy with my Civic in about 2-3 mos now. I actually posted a couple of days ago on Edmund's that the '01 Civic (not sure about '02s) has average reliability. I guess the latest thing, the bad alternator really made me think about my Civic's reliability. I 'm basically saying that if my 4 visits to the dealer in just 8mos, is any indication of the months & years to come, then I don't think I want to own this car for the whole duration that I intended to keep it. You must understand that my self and others, as previous Civic owners are not used to to trips to the dealer and average to below average reliability that we are experiencing with this new gen. Civic. We 're accustomed to many troublefree years and ease of mind when we drove our old Civics. I 'm sorry to say this is not the case now. Although I try to stay very objective and my first 2-3 visits I maintained and open mind but this bad alternator 1-2 weeks ago just started to change my mind. I can't help it. I still like the car but if things keep braking, I just can't take off from work all the time to get them fixed..

 
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Ha, I knew it was you Harry! Too many coincidences in your posts ... [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG]

Damn, sorry to hear that you're having those problems with your car. As for my leaking front left strut, my dealer was finally able to get the part in, and now it's fixed. I decided not to go with the Konis for 2 reasons: way expensive, and I did not want to void the warranty on the rest of my suspension components.

It took almost 2 months from the time my dealer diagnosed the leaking strut, to the time they got it fixed (but that was mostly Honda's fault for holding up that part), but now it rides almost like the day I first got it. Got a free 4-wheel alignment out of it too.

Other than the strut, the only other problems I've had were interior rattles (most of which I fixed myself), and a slightly loose seat back. My mileage is almost exactly as advertised, and I had no problems at all during another harsh winter up here.

So after exactly one year of ownership, I have to say that I am pretty satisfied with my car.

 
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What a smoochfest. Maybe you guys should private message.

 
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All I can say is wait until your car is in the dealership weekly and Honda keeps telling you they refuse to fix your car. Or they treat you like ****. I hate when people think you are stupid and treat you that way. I swear if another Honda Tech calls me "hunny" or "sweety" i will beat their a$$es. It got to the point a few times I had to walk away from the tech for a minute or two otherwise he would have been knocked on his a$$ bleeding. Hopefully your car doesn't have anymore problems but, if it does (and I have faith it will) i feel for you and all I can say is sue the **** out of American Honda. And as I have said a million times IF you got a good Honda Civic more power to you.