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<< Hopefully your car doesn't have anymore problems but, if it does (and I have faith it will) i feel for you and all >>


You have faith that it will? Meaning that you think each and every 7th gen civic will eventually end up like yours?

So if 1 Civic out of 10 has some kinda major problem, you're gonna say: "Ha! I told you so!". But then, what about the other Civics that don't have problems ? And if after 5 years of ownership, something does happen, are you still gonna say : "Ha! I told you so!". Cuz eventually, all cars are going to have problems, you know.

You often point out that this forum is indicative of the bad quality of this Civic. Well, you may be right. But when you have a dedicated forum like this one for problems where every single problem is concentrated into a list here, of course it will create an impression that there are lots of problems. Imagine creating a forum like this for VW's, or Fords, or GM's, or Kia's, or Hyundai's.

And what about all the other people on this forum who have nothing to complain about? Don't forget, this site is now pushing 4000 members. So according to you, all 4000 members will eventually have major problems too, is that correct?

You look at the list here and say that this is evidence that this Civic sucks. Again, you may be right, but don't forget that there may be several thousand other members on this board who do not bother to voice their satisfaction with their problem-free civics. It's not like there's a forum where they can spend all day praising their cars. And if you look through each and every problem listed here, most of them are minor, or are of such a nature that a visit to the dealer can easily fix the problem at hand.

Looking at your problems, I have to say that you have a definite beef against Honda. But to make a generalization about how each 7th gen Civic will end up like yours is somewhat incorrect, I believe.

And as for the dealers, maybe all the dealers in San Diego suck, I don't know. But I can just speak for myself here. Each and every single problem I have brought up with my dealer, no matter how small, has been addressed with no challenges or complaints whatsoever. They have been great to me. Some dealers are better than others... and that's the way it has always been for each and every make of car. Sorry to hear that all of the ones you dealt with suck.

Anwyays, all I wanted to point out is that you may be over-generalizing too much due to your absolute hatred for Honda.

 
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Well, it is sad to hear the problems that some have had. Only a few people have anything to really complain about. A few minor things are nothing to degrade honda for. Between me and my wife, we have owned 5 hondas, 4 for me and 1 for her. My sister is on her second civic. What do all these cars have in common beside they are hondas? They all had and the current ones have had bullet-proof reliability. Yea, I have some rattles, but even my father's 70k lexus has some mofu((((((((((((((((kkkkken ratttles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyhow, honda is a great car manufacturer. They have been for a long time and will continue to be. I haven't had any problems with the vic and I have somewhere around 4k, I don't really know because I don't pay attention. If I did end up having problems, I would go trade it and get me another new honda.

You have to remember that if a manufacturer makes 1,000,000 cars, some are going to ride down the road and fall apart. That's just statistics and facts. Honda just turns out a lot less than say someone like VW who probably has a 50% chance of coming off a lemon or not. Plus, if my honda goes bad, I won't be happy, but honda is not God, and they can't always be perfect. Those of you who think Toyota is, let's not forget about the Cresida from the 80's that was a total pos.

 
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it sucks that every car that comes off the line is different. there are common problems with this car. if couldve helped it, i wouldnt have bought a new model on the inception year, i woulda waited for a 2003, but i couldnt, my truck was on the brink of some major work. oh yeah, dont buy used civx cause people thrash em'

 
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<< Looking at your problems, I have to say that you have a definite beef against Honda. But to make a generalization about how each 7th gen Civic will end up like yours is somewhat incorrect, I believe. >>



Look, the realities are what they are. An inordidinate amount of people buy CIVIC's for one simple reason - RELIABILITY. I am sorry to say that it's just not there with this edition. especially when you compare it to the 6th gen CIVIC. The reason I say this is because HONDA made some glaring mistakes with this model for no real good reason.

1. Sacrificing the DOUBLE WISHBONE suspension to save engine bay space and replacing the front end suspension with the harsh McPherson independent suspension. (big deal, my wheels stay straight after going over a bump, I never noticed this problem before.) Not to mention the bad struts within that EVERYONE is complaining about.
2. Replacing many of the interior components many proving to be defective i.e. door panel material, seat assembly, dashboard components. Previous generation CIVIC had been renowned for it's functional and well designed interior components.
3. So far this edition does not lend itself to aftermarket support as nicely as it previously had.

Just admit it, say what you want about this car GOOD or BAD. This was a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Sure this car is still a HONDA and will have great resale and is still made better than a HYUNDAI or FORD FOCUS but, think long term. A little mistake here, a little mistake there and 15 years from now HONDA turns out to be another FORD.

I think she has every right to feel that most people will have problems with this car being that HONDA is showing us all that we are their guinea pigs. They're going to experiment on us until we stop buying their product. By the way, think about how great this car is when going over speed bumps and your brain is being shaken out of your skull.

PIPE DOWN and stop pretending to offer a rational opinion when you're really just here to flame anybody who disagrees with you!

 
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i've had a few problems with mine but the thing that gets me the most is that the powerplant is not very tuner friendly, and that kills me. I want something i can tune and actually get "results" out of it and by that i mean HP, not just looks. just wait everyone, one more year until the Evolution 7 hits the shores of the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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<< You have faith that it will? Meaning that you think each and every 7th gen civic will eventually end up like yours? >>


Not what I was trying to say I guess I should clarify that statement. I have come to a uh.... conclusion I guess with this generation Civic either you get one with absolutly no problems or you get one that progressivly have every problem imaginable. I have 17,600 miles on my car and have had nothing but problems from day one. At first they were minor and just annoying but as they progressed they got worse and worse. So no I didn't mean all will end up f*cked up I just meant if you are having an outrageous amount of minor problems be prepared for the big nasty ones down the road.


<< You often point out that this forum is indicative of the bad quality of this Civic. Well, you may be right. But when you have a dedicated forum like this one for problems where every single problem is concentrated into a list here, of course it will create an impression that there are lots of problems. Imagine creating a forum like this for VW's, or Fords, or GM's, or Kia's, or Hyundai's. >>


I live in San Diego which by now everyone probably knows. Civics are a dime a dozen here 7th gen or otherwise. Just about everyone that has or has had a 7th gen civic that I have talked to hates the thing. Honda WAS a great company but no longer. I understand the car world is a man's world an most likely always will be so that is majorly to my disadvantage but I still when you have a generastion of a car with that amount of problems this generation has had there is something VERY WRONG with the caompaniyes (Honda's) quality control.


<< Anwyays, all I wanted to point out is that you may be over-generalizing too much due to your absolute hatred for Honda. >>


I didn't intend to make a generalized statement I said that in reference to his car not Civics in general.


<< honda is not God, and they can't always be perfect. Those of you who think Toyota is, let's not forget about the Cresida from the 80's that was a total pos. >>


The only reason I would buy a Toyota over a Honda now is whenever my friends have had a problem with their cars like a blown engine, which was driver error, they replaced the ENTIRE engine no charge with no hassle because the there was something knowingly wrong with the car. Just like the 7th gen civic that there is knowingly something wrong with BUT NO ONE wants to fix.


<< . Replacing many of the interior components many proving to be defective i.e. door panel material, seat assembly, dashboard components. Previous generation CIVIC had been renowned for it's functional and well designed interior components. >>


I do not agree with this statement we also have a 2000 civic hatchback with rattles out the a$$. It is less in comparison to mine but regardless that is one thing that Honda has always had problems with. Looking at the list of service bullitins on the previous gen civics in regards to the rattles there is a list probably as long as ours. But, with the 00 civic there were ABSOLUTLY NO WARRENTY PROBLEMS that is all I want. That was the idea behind buying a brand new car one and a brand new civic two.


<< You have to remember that if a manufacturer makes 1,000,000 cars, some are going to ride down the road and fall apart. That's just statistics and facts. Honda just turns out a lot less than say someone like VW who probably has a 50% chance of coming off a lemon or not. >>


Yes that is true there is nothing to do about that but when more than half of the cars have problems either major or minor there is something wrong with the quality control. Whether the the problems make the car a lemon or not there is something wrong in this situation.

 
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<< PIPE DOWN and stop pretending to offer a rational opinion when you're really just here to flame anybody who disagrees with you! >>


Flame? Where in my previous post did I flame her? Only person I'm gonna flame are pansy-assed cry-babies like you, nycivic.

You complain about your problems ad infinitum, when they're not even that serious. And when it's suggested that a few trips to the dealer will solve most of your problems, you start complaining about how you don't have time to go. Well guess what, it's called "car ownership". If you can't handle the risks and realities of it, then buy a freakin' bus pass and spare us your whine and cheese.

You expect a perfect car as if it was your absolute right just because it's a Honda. Guess what? Perfect cars don't exist, Honda or no Honda.

And if you knew it was a mistake for Honda to get rid of their double-wishbone setup, then why did you buy one? And it's not like you didn't test drive one before you bought it, so you knew exactly what kind of interior you were getting. If you don't like your civic, then the only person you can blame is yourself for making the ultimate decision to buy one.

If anything, I hope 2cute wins her lawsuit against Honda. I see this as case of a single consumer versus a large company, and being a consumer myself, I would definitely like to see her win.

And at least she's pro-active about trying to do something about her problems by starting her own lawsuit, unlike you nycivic... whining like a little girl, and complaining non-stop about your problems and about not having time to go in to your dealer to get it fixed, and resorting to posting all your problems here, hoping for some kind of group support from the rest of us.

PIPE DOWN and stop pretending to be a man, when you're really just here to display your feminine qualities.

 
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Rattles is nothing new for Civics. They have always had rattles which is why I have never complained about that. Go to other Honda forums and all they talk about is rattles with their 96-00 Civics. As a previous '97 Civic owner I can attest to 2-3 rattles my car had, plus others that would come and go, but none were really very bothersome or very lound, just like now. When my '01 rattles appear, it's usually because of cold weather and they go away within 10min. or after the car has been moving and is fully warmed up.

 
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RONIN, in the end you're just a punk who likes to talk $hit on message boards, that's what you do, you get some kind of pathetic thrill out of it. Whether it's on the EDMUND's board, this board or wherever. You couldn't even dare face any of the people you talk $hit about on these boards in person. You follow people around and "QUOTE" everything they say all day just looking for a way to make yourself look all big and brilliant. Obviously, you're happy with your CIVIC, oooh good for you, you go on and keep tweaking and fixing and bringing in your car for every little thing and loving life. That's what car ownership is all about, being incovenienced constantly. I guess you're right about that.

I guess I'm spoiled. I owned a MAZDA PROTEGE from 1990 - 1996 with no problems or recalls or nonsense. Just Oil changes and a new muffler at 140,000 miles. Then I owned A 1997 HONDA CIVIC LX no problems for 45,000 miles. To me, that's car ownership. You spend 10's of thousands of dollars on something and it runs efficiently, reliably and safely.

And don't try to be on on 2cute's side all of a sudden, I've been watching you trash her for months now. Now, you're gonna pretend like you want her to succeed, when for months you called her crazy and wasting her time. All the times you went through her posts picking them apart with your little "QUOTE" button happy finger, trying to find every little thing that could make her look bad. Don't try to jump on the bandwagon now. You mean to tell me all of a sudden that she is some bastione of your human rights and that of car owners everywhere? Do you need me to go back and quote all of the posts you made? Stop thinking you can just post fu&ccedil;ked up $hit and no one will remember. But in the end, you're up in CANADA, in nowhere land, planning on moving to SAN DIEGO because you know what a real country is and like every other person in this world you want a piece of the action. It's crowded enough here we don't need you. Stay in CANADA and freeze your puny little a$$ off.

I'll fu&ccedil;king whine and complain until I'm blue in the face, even after the day this car leaves my life. that's why they call this a FORUM!!!! You're just a big corporate suckup who thinks HONDA is the almighty king and can not be questioned. Good for you, I'll await your rebuttal and overuse of the "QUOTE" button. Along with the foul smell of $hit that comes from all of your posts. just keep kissing HONDA's a$$, it really becomes you and I would expect no less.

By the way, rattles can be annoying but I would never complain to a dealer about them. Never mind showing them where they are with post-it notes. My idea of a good time is not running around sticking little yellow post-its all over my car to point out where all the rattles are for the dealer. That may be fun for some people, but I have a job and a life. The rattles on my present CIVIC or previous generation CIVIC's are trivial to me. I am concerned with things that could be a safety issue. Things like seats that rock and slide and having HONDA tell me that that "is how the car is designed." Or AIR BAG sensors that go off whenever they want to for no reason are serious safety concerns for me. Especially when the quadruple five star crash test rating was a major reason for buying this car.

 
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Uh...... I think I will be staying out of this one.

 
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sorry accidental double post

 
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<< So please, stop worrying about us staying in your "crowded" country... cuz it ain't gonna happen. >>


Thank God!

I am glad you guys are buddy buddy now. The world is a beautiful place.

 
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HOMOPHOBIC comments have no place here. Let's not let this site turn into a place where people use terms like F_aggott, it realy has no place.

 
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My apologies, but whiny pseudo-males (is that a better term, lemon?) like nycivic have no place here either.

Still waiting for those posts, Pseudo-man ...

 
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Still, I really think this topic has gotten a wee bit stale.

 
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Dude I totally feel you. I wanna get rid of my 2k2 LX too, my tranny needs to be replaced, I just found out today that my 2nd, 3rd, and reverse, are totally f**ked up. It started on my birthday, April 23, when my 3rd gear started grinding when I tried to put it in to gear. Honda is tryin to decide if I was the reason that it was messed up or if it was a manufacturers default. I totally baby my car, and I dont drive it to hell, so there's no reason why it should be messed up.

 
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I dont know whats up with your car. I havnt had any serious problems with my civic. I just have the rattles, but nothing alittle felt cant fix.

 
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Why would a little rattle bother you enough to get rid of your car? What has this world gotten to! Maybe i appreciate my Civic a little more because i had a lemon of a MAZDA prior. The tranny broke at 60K, then again at 78K, i wont even go into details of what i went through with the Mazda. I would take the civic and it's rattles any day! And also, just because you and your friends and 'everyone you know' thinks that the Civic is POS doesnt mean it's a bad car and it doesnt mean that Honda is a terrible company. Think of how many Civics are made and how many happy customers there are!! I don't know a single person that had something bad happen with their Honda, but then again that's my experience and that's the reason i got this car in the first place: because it's reliable. Good luck with your next next car!
*by the way: sorry if this post sounds mean, i just wanted to add my 2 cents and defend my Civic, because i LOVE IT*

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I just started getting that hissing noise when I engage the clutch. It gets really loud and sounds terrible! I'm bringing it to honda tommorow to get my seals done around my window and the rubber strip that goes across the roof of the car. Anyone else get that hissing noise with the clutch?

 
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HONDA is by no means a horrible car company but I think alot of people feel as though the HONDA badge guarantees reliabilty and quality. That is their reputation. Problem is, this may not be a moniker that they should be known for anymore. Only time will tell.

 
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<< I just started getting that hissing noise when I engage the clutch. It gets really loud and sounds terrible! I'm bringing it to honda tommorow to get my seals done around my window and the rubber strip that goes across the roof of the car. Anyone else get that hissing noise with the clutch? >>


Hissing sound? Like air hissing, or do you mean a squeaking sound coming from the clutch, and how long does it last for?

Squeaking clutch I've heard of... a hissing clutch is something new to me.

 
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<< Why would a little rattle bother you enough to get rid of your car? What has this world gotten to! Maybe i appreciate my Civic a little more because i had a lemon of a MAZDA prior. The tranny broke at 60K, then again at 78K, i wont even go into details of what i went through with the Mazda. I would take the civic and it's rattles any day! And also, just because you and your friends and 'everyone you know' thinks that the Civic is POS doesnt mean it's a bad car and it doesnt mean that Honda is a terrible company. Think of how many Civics are made and how many happy customers there are!! I don't know a single person that had something bad happen with their Honda, but then again that's my experience and that's the reason i got this car in the first place: because it's reliable. Good luck with your next next car! >>


This has been repeated at nauseam(sp?)but here we go again for those of us that don't listen to well. Not all the people that want to get rid of their cars want to do so soley for the reason of the rattles and minor problems. I'm sorry your tranny on your Mazda was "broke" at 60,000 miles but how would you feel if your tranny was "broke" when you bought the car? How would you feel if your brakes were so sh!tty at 5,000 miles you had to have them resurfaced(which might I add did not solve the problem) and then ground again at like 9,000 miles (still didn't fix the problem) and the car company did not see a defect and refused to fix or better yet replace them? It only took 12,500 miles of arguing and fighting and threatening and calling managers ans supervisors to finally have the cr*ppy brakes replaced. What the hell is the bumper to bumper warrenty for? How would you feel if the Supplementary Restraint System was "broke"? Or your alternator was broke at 10,000 miles? Or better yet having to sit at the dealership damn near daily because your car has yet another thing that is "broke"


<< I don't know a single person that had something bad happen with their Honda, but then again that's my experience and that's the reason i got this car in the first place: because it's reliable. >>


Reliable and 7th gen Civic are not two words that I would use in the same paragraph yet the same sentance. As far as Honda is concerned they need to take a very close look at their new procedures, policies, employees, craftsmanship, and general customer service. When a company creates something and KNOWS it is defective and refuses to fix the problem there is something VERY wrong with that. Honda is one that has progressivly gone down hill and the rate of that it drastically increasing. Honda 10 years ago GREAT company even five years ago good company but this last year the company has taken advantage of their customers and are doing so more and more. I'm sorry but the proof is everywhere that this generation Civic is awful. Motor Trend, Road and Track and Car and Driver are all VERY Honda bias companies and for them to be saying the things they have about Honda lately tells you there is poor production involved with Honda. Ford has beat out Honda on sales so has Toyota (by far). Toyota knew there was a problem with the 00 Celica and when their customers brought it to their attention there was no question the problems were fixed IMMEDIALTY AND FREE OF CHARGE. That is a small amount of the reasons people want to get rid of their "precious" Hondas.

 
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Why would they care, their reputation is so good at this point that they feel they are above reproach. Whenever I tell people tht I haven't been happy with the quality of my HONDA and the numerous problems I've experienced they say to me "but, it's HONDA." I basically just say, "yeah, I don't know what's happened." They reply "that's a shame"

I don't think the bias in the car magazines is as much as it used to be. The new CIVIC didn't get overwhelming praise in recent issues. The cars I see that seem to be on the rise are the PROTEGE, FOCUS and ELANTRA.

Congrats to BlueBirdz22, Speedy and to any of you who were able to move on from the car and put it in the past. I hope those of you who are happy with the car don't encounter as many problems as several of us have.

 
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Car magazines are losing credibility, cause they kinda bashed the civics and praised the focus and look what happened. SVT focus got recalled cause they're having probs with it. Honda's arn't perfect but trust me if you settle and buy a mitsu, ford, nissan etc, in a year you may decide to sell it and the resale is gonna be so crappy that you're gonna be stuck with it, + its problems.
Hondas problem is like the LA Lakers-everyone expects perfection at this point, and if they dont get it they get pissed off.

 
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I have to agree that interior rattles are really not an important thing or a reason to give up a car. In my case, my auto 2k1 EX doesn´t have any of the engine problems that I´ve seen reported here, it is very reliable considering the driving conditions of Mexico City.

Where I do have a problem is with the rattles. Not all cars have rattles, or at least not other Hondas. I bought my car based on my brother´s 2k. I really liked the car because it is so carefully put together, not a single rattle inside, excellent engine, etc. My father´s Accord is the same, perfectly assembled. As far as the 2k1 and 2k2, the only thing Honda has to solve is improving the interior assembly and getting better quality shocks.

What causes so many complaints about rattles is that it was Honda itself who got us used to the idea that compact cars can be built with high quality. If you had rattles in other brands (i.e. neons) that would be considered normal.

I just hope Honda takes better care with the new Accord (2003) and gets the message that fixing little stupid things will make the civic the best car in its category again

 
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wsup with the 2k2 lx models.. everytime i shift my lx seems to jerk back or seems to be failing... same goes for these dudes with the same year and model.. everything is all good but shifting is the problem [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]

 
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You should have gotten a bicycle !

 
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The latest MOTOR TREND rates the new COROLLA higher than the CIVIC LX. We all know how biased MOTOR TREND tends to be when it comes to HONDA. It seems like they get kudos just for having the HONDA logo on them. In my opinion, HONDA is slipping. I can see why. Both HONDA and TOYOTA are grossly overrated.

 
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HONDA is not overated it is a great ride.........