my 2k2 civic is excellent, only problems were minor like the defroster- a/c thing . but like everyone has been saying its just the luck of the draw, each car that comes off the line is different. maybe the guy who put your car together was made to work a double shift and lost his concentration or something. in my opinion they experiment too much, they need to leave well enough alone. with all this ULEV, new suspension, etc. they are trying to re-invent the wheel, not to mention its a "tuners" nightmare. i could go on but you only get $0.02 for the first minute, lol.

Honda,s are put togeather on a assembly line by robots and assembly line workers who do most of the quality control work. Most of the problems you read about here are the same thing over and over again cause by a engineering error or by a faulty part .and in many cases caused people second guessing the engineers and making modifactions to the car after they buy it. I know ! I work on a auto parts assembly line. btw. I have screwed up my own cars many times over the years by making modifications to them......ie wheels, audio equipment ,suspention parts, engine mods. ect.

I really think if you're gonna modify your car you have no business complaining at all. That's just my opinion. I only think that company-endorsed mods look good anyway. There's a lot of ugly mods out there

I havent had any problems with my civic, and I've had it for almost a year. But I want a new car! hehe

Let me be clear...HONDA is definetly an overrated car company, more specifically, the CIVIC is grossly overrated. I am not saying it's bad by any means but resale value is what sells this car. I can think of a lot of cars that ride just as good or better and don't get half of the credit. There have been just too many COMMON problems with this generation CIVIC that shouldn't be happening to cars of this reputation. Tranny problems, and leaky front struts are major problems with the build quality of the car and I can't accept that from HONDA. Those are the kind of problems you'd expect to have with a FORD FOCUS or HYUNDAI ELANTRA. Not from a HONDA. I am demanding when it comes to my cars. I take great care of them and never put stupid mods on them. I just want a great A to B car more than anything...I don't want to be back at the dealer for every little adjustment they need to make i.e new struts, new seat bushings, air bag sensors, Cd door assembly's, etc... This car has failed to deliver that simple need.

Hey nycivic: Sorry about your experience with the car. I had a bad Acura EL as well and the car was giving me problem all day and I know how it feels. In general the quality of this re-design is subpar even by economy car standard. For all you flamers out there:

1. My car is completely stock...except I replaced the Firestones with better rubber.

2. The car DOESN'T get me to point A to B SAFELY!! I had more than a few close calls because the engine stalls out all the time.

3. Warrenty is useless on problems like this. If it starts up and no CEL then Honda/Acura simply say no problem found...eventhough it stalled right in front of the service writer and master tech when I took them out for a ride.

4. Many other problem they weren't able to fix. Had my shocks replaced twice and they're still leaking. Also the car can't keep a good alignment. I did a front wheel alignment at a shop that I know then drove it around for half an hour. Put the car back on the machine and it's out of spec again. Result? Poor tracking on the highway. The shop owner said I have a bad steering rack but my Acura dealer say if the wheel turns and the rack aren't leaking they can't do anything.

So...here's my resolution:






If your car is that bad then either file Lemon against Honda or get something else. I choose the latter as I don't have the time. The handling of this thing put my EL to shame!

The 7 th gen civic is the best civic ever built .

Goto nhtsa.org and look up the 7th gen Civic's consumer complaint records. It racked up one of the longest list of problems/complaints in one year. Compare the list with other makes or even older model Civics then come back to tell me whether it's the best Civic ever.

Yes maybe you're lucky...so are some other members here that got a good sample. Or maybe you guys have a lower standard for quality...was it you or Ronin that also has the stalling problem? Maybe you think the car stalling out is ok but not me.

And I bet if we get to see the problem/100 figure on the new Civic it's going to be way up there.

went there, and the 7th gen civic is the best civic ever

My car has stalled completely on the road? This is news to me dude ...

ok...maybe not stall out completely but you DO have an idle problem do you?

And the thing is have you ever try to compare the used car price of a 2000 and 2001 Civic similarly equipped? You can easily find a 2001 going for less than a 2000 if the mileage is close enough. 01 has a bad rep out there already and that's how the market sees it.

Not sure if this is a good comparison. I picked the 03 Corolla (first model year) vs. 02 Civic (second model year).

Search for records on
Year:
2003
Make:
TOYOTA
Model:
COROLLA
Consumer Complaints
2 Record(s) found



Search for records on
Year:
2002
Make:
HONDA
Model:
CIVIC
Consumer Complaints
13 Record(s) found


And keep this in mind...if you search for the record for a 96 Civic now of course it's going to show more problem than a 01...simply because it's a five year old car. But the 01 racks up the longest list I've ever seen for a one year old model.

Anyways...I've moved on and all I intented to do is to urge members with problematic cars to either file a lemon or do what I did. That all.

To be honest most people have no desire to trade a 7th gen civic for any mazda. I have a 2k1 civic and a 2k1 mazda.....and don,t think for a min. that you want have problems with the mazda........they have low resale value and are not nearly as good quality....when you buy a mazda you had better like it because your stuck . no one wants a used mazda.........

Doesn't have to be a Mazda...that's only my choice.

Of course...nothing out there is good except Honda for all the fanboy in here.

What you are saying is everyone else trade your civic because I traded mine! No most people are smarter than that.but not to fear we all make mistakes.Anyone that would trade a 7th gen civic for a corolla or mazda better check around on resale .The civic has the best resale of all the small competitive cars.A lot of people are flaming them here but remember these people are a small minority and most people are not like us on this forum they drive it and forget it (don,t worry about the small stuff). Hell all cars are subject to problems the civic is one of the best small cars out there.

Excuse me....where exactly in the entire thread (or entire forum) did I say that? My whole point is I've seen enough people on this forum alone suffering from their 2k1 and I'm sharing my experience with them. If you like yours so be it...but I think a few people in here could use my help.

Just one more thing...as I saw your other post on another thread and all you mention is resale value. Let me ask you how good is the resale value if I can't use the car safely while I'm having it? I would rather loose a grand or two at the end and have a safer car to drive. And let me tell you if I can spend more time working instead of visiting my dealer trying to get things fix my pay cheque can make up for whatever resale value I loose with my P5.

Say what you will but the civic you traded will be running when the mazda you are driving is in the salvage yard. I own a 2k1 mazda and a 2k1 civic and the civic is a much better car and in five years the civic will be worth twice as much money. I like most people have had very few problems with there civic Not so with the mazda it has been back to the dealer several times . If I owned a mazda I certainly would not be on a honda forum flaming civics I would find a mazda forum I am sure you will find enough to complain about after a few miles.

Another weak reply from Honda fanboy....how disappointing....

Wow, I'm surprised. So far my 2002 EX sedan is the only new car I have ever had that has made it to 1 year now without any minor problems. Nothing rattles, no leaks, I love it aside from it being a little on the weak side. I probably just got lucky this time. Any car can have problems when you drive it off the lot.

Firefly! lets see you own a mazda and you are on a honda forum bashing the civic, hmmmm. sounds to me like envy. I am sorry you traded your civic for a mazda but don,t try to convince people on a honda forum that there ride is a POS. Like I said we have all made mistakes why don,t you just admit you wish you had your civic back.......I really feel sorry for you dude!

VINZ! You did not get lucky the 7th gen civic is a great car.

Time to put in my $.02

These cars are crap. I felt safer & liked my old POS 5th gen hatch a hell of alot better. If I wasnt upside down on my loan I would sell it in a heartbeat & get me another 5th gen hatch. Never again will I buy a new car or much less a new civic.

RON aside from the resale value of your car what is SO great about it? I'm sorry but the 7th gen vic is the worst gen of the vics. There have been more problems with these cars than any previous gen. I understand you love Honda that you have this weird love for Honda and that you haven't been through the HELL that a lot of us have but deal with it this gen sucks a$$. The suspension is awful, the engine blows, the interior rattles like it is cool, the trannys are the worst on the market (in my opinion), the SRS sucks, the speedos and gauges are problematic, the body is alright(i do think it looks better than most other vics), it is not a safe car and just down right terrible craftsmanship on Honda's part. I do not feel safe driving my car. I am always afraid something is going to happen and my car is going to die on me. I and not the biggest person and I am female so my fear is one day I'm gonna get stuck somewhere by myself and then what? All because Honda will not own up to it's mistake. That is the last thing I need. NO my car does not get me from point a to point b on a regular basis. The car is in the dealership more than it is on the road. The resale value for this gen is not as good as past years I'm sorry it isn't. There are more of this gen vic in used car lots than any other gen. My friend is the manager of the Honda used store here and I have seen at least 15 7th gen vics cross his lot in the past year or so. Most of the time they sit there for a long time before they can get rid of them. All I'm saying is HONDA SCREWDED UP LIKE IT OR NOT! Now they just need to own up to their mistake and make it so their customers don't have to pay for their mistake anymore. Ron you mentioned something about a Mazda not outlasting a vic I'm sorry that isn't necesarily true and as far as the resale value on a vic versus a Mazda also not necesarily true either. We had an 84 mazda that was mint condition that lasted long after the 84 vic did. The 84 vic at the time we could have gotten maybe $500 for now the mazda on the other hand we could have gotten damn near $3000. So you have you look at things like that. Both cars we taken care of in the same manor BUT the Mazda outlasted the Honda by YEARS AND YEARS. All I'm saying Honda isn't doing to well right now. They need to start taking care of business and honestly they need to work on their customer service in a MAJOR way.

i have my 2k1 and it runs perfect. little rattles from the stereo but nothin else

2cute, you keep saying Honda as a company in whole is going down cuz of their deteriorating quality. Well the latest JD Powers seems to suggest otherwise: http://www.msnbc.com/news/759355.asp?cp1=1

As you can see, Toyota and Honda are 1 and 2, respectively, for the 7 largest car makers in the world. So what are going to say now? That JD Powers doesn't mean anything? I suppose any information would only be meaningful to YOU if it showed Honda in a bad light, right?

The RSX continuously gets rave reviews in head-to-head comparison tests... the Odyssey is ranked as the best minivan... the new Pilot is getting rave reviews even before its official release ... the MDX was voted best luxury SUV... the TL was ranked no. 1 by edmunds in a head-to-head comparison for luxury sports sedans... and the S2000 is as close to an "affordable" dream car as you're going to get.

But I suppose this is all evidence that Honda is going down, right? Well if they are going down, I get the feeling they're not exactly too worried right now ...

You make all these generalizations about Honda as a whole, based on the fact that you have a single lemon on your hand. So let me ask how can you realistically expect other people to take your opinions seriously then? So then you're going to say that other people here have lemons... ok, sure... what about the 4000 other members who don't have lemons? And even if the 7th gen was more problematic, is that enough evidence to suggest the entire Honda Motor Company is going down?

A while ago, you made a statement about how you get "reemed" everytime you make a statement about how Honda sucks. Well, perception is everything on open forums. And I believe the WAY you say things in almost all your posts just tends to invite flaming from other people. If you're going to be confrontational and add a Honda flame in each of your posts (on a Honda forum no less), and make unfounded generalizations about Honda, then you should be expecting no less than confrontational responses in return.

And BTW, this is a Honda ENTHUSIASTS website... how else would you expect people to respond to your unfounded generalizations about Honda? If I went onto a Mazda or Toyota site and start screaming and yelling about how those companies are going down due to my lemon Mazda or lemon Toyota, would you not expect people there to flame the crap out of me? Hell yeah ...

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And I already know how you're going to respond : " All I'm saying is that I got a crappy lemon and therfore Honda sucks and need to get their act together and their service sucks and blah blah blah"... I know it all by heart now, so you can spare all of that.

The point of my post is that you make too many unfounded generalizations about the entire Honda company as a whole, with very little concrete evidence to back it up besides your own negative experience with your Civic and those of some other people complaining on this board.

Don't take this as a flame because it isn't. IMO, you would get more useful replies and less flaming to your problems if you weren't so confrontational and caustic with your postings in the first place, and if you were able to back up your generalizations.

But that's just a friendly suggestion, and I don't expect you to take it. So just keep on saying how much Honda sucks, because it's become so much like a broken record, that I'm guesing not too many people here take your complaints seriously anymore... except, of course, the 5 or so other chronic complainers here.

Some problems here are major and some are nagging. All manufacturers have problems, some have more then others.

My story is of my mother. She made the mistake of buying a 96 Plymouth Grand Voyager. She had it back to the dealer nearly 40 times for repairs. In the short 90,000 miles she owned it she went through a couple transmissions, an engine, a few air conditioners, a BCM, a few serpentine belt tensioners, a gas tank, an entire exhaust system, etc. When she finally dumped it at 90k barely anything worked on it. The drivers side sliding door did not open, the rear hatch would not open, the parking brake was defective, the wipers would come on for no reason. She babied this car, maintained it by the book (at the Dodge dealer by the way). She says she will never step foot near another Chrysler again.

Dang pezzy that is some story, i'm never gettin a plymouth

I just wanted to let you all know I booked my car and my hubby's car. My hubby has a 2000 Civic DX hatchback with 45,000 miles on it. I have a 2001 Civic DX coupe with 20,000 miles on it. His car booked for $9,515 and mine for $9,410. So now once again tell me they hold value. Oh and Ron you still haven't said what is so great about the civic other than it's "great resale value".

I think HONDA's are really best judged on their resale over the long term. But, I'm not going to defend them. I personally fall on the side of being very disappointed in this newest model. I sure as hell hope they do hold their resale value though, because by next year I'm trading this thing in.

I have a 2k1 lx auto that has been perfect no problems at all like most other new civics, I can,t understand why anyone would want to trade a 7gen civic in. The only car honda supplies that has questionable reliability is the passport but even they have a great trade in value.......best think is to get the bugs out of you car and keep it civics run hundreds of thousands of miles if serviced properly and taken care of....

I think the new civic is a cool looking car but as far as the overal quality I was more impressed with the old ones