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Now that a few companies, like Gude, Crower, and DH-Racing have been making the Head Packages for our Civics, I would like to know if there are any problems with any one who has the work done. I have searched and found a bunch of general info, but really nothing that was too helpful, mainly because the threads I found were all from last year when these companies didn't have anything out yet. I also called Gude and spoke to Bill, he told me that right now they are having a "deal". For $1450 and the $500 refundable core charge, they will send you the package then you send your old one back. He also told me this package gives us about 170HP and I forget the Torque (woops). I also looked up Crower, and found nothing for our D17's at all, at least not on thier website. DH-Racing has a fews things for our D17's but I haven't called them yet for any information. The problem I'm having is that when I search for stuff on here, I find more useless information and people arguing about stuff than I do the stuff I'm actually looking for. I'm looking to build a full N/A motor and those numbers sound good, but do you think they are true? If we can get enough usefull information maybe someone can make a sticky for this topic. Unless it's already done somewhere, but I didn't catch it. Ok, let me know what you guys know, and remember, useful information, please!

 
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dude, you have been on this site for almost 1 yr and you don't know about DH Racing ???? Stay the fu[i/c[/i]k away !!!!

Stay away from Gude, someone got screwed over by them awhile back.

Crower is working on parts now.

 
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What's wrong with these companies though? And why do some people say they have a cam from Crower if Crower doesn't have anything listed for the D17?

Thanks though!

I haven't been into much of the internal engine work yet... but now that I'm done with bolt-ons and making more money, I'd like to get more into the engine, literally.

 
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Search DH Racing and you will see how several members got screwed over. I guess Crower hasn't updated their website....but several members have e-mailed them.

 
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beware the stupid HP claims. 170 hp I don't think so.

 
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lol...i figured that, but just checking... I mean he did pretty much say that doing the head and cam work would turn the engine into a Type-R engine... but again, this is why I am questioning all of this.

 
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dh racing haha they don't deserve to own a business. Wait for crower cam coming out soon.

 
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have you delt with them before?

 
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dont go Gude, ive heard nothing but bad things for them. I loved my crower setup on my CRX, and when a cam broke, they sent me another cam PLUS a free set of springs.

 
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Yes I've dealt with dh if you can call it that. Me and 30 others bought their crank pulley for almost $200 and nobody could get it to fit. The one guy who pounded it on with a hammer had the battery light come on 2 mins later. Yea that's over $5000 they stole from our site. Then I was also stupid and sent my head for port and polish for $740. Well they did an okay job I guess, not great, but alot better than what other people got. Now my idle is messed up and I maybe gained 5hp if that.

 
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Ok so then what do we do? ...because this sucks

 
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i believe exospeed does pnp head work as does kms. Someone here had good results with kms for ported head work. Crower is reseasing new cams very soon.

 
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The Exospeed website only has cams and heads for the D16 engines.

What kind of gains do you think a N/A engine would get with the work that some of these companies have to offer?

 
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Don't waste your time and money. AT MOST, you'll gain 15 with a pnp and cam, unless you are serious about building the motor and about spending big bucks.

 
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I might be, if the gains are good...

 
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I gained around 10whp with pnp head and header, but I'm not done yet. Oh and I have an auto.

 
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I Dyno'd last year with only a intake and muffler and had 117WHP, with everything i have now, i would expect maybe 125WHP. I was supposed to go get Dyno tuned this Tuesday, but with the way the money fell this week, it's being pushed to Friday the 29th in the morning. If i still go, i will post the outcome as soon as i can. ...and i will too, not like some people who say they will, but don't.