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the chevy boys had this to say about Honda F1

I was watching the discovery channel, and they were doing a documentary about a chevrolet team in Formula 1 racing. They were at some part where the engine was having some major issue and they would have to use a completely different engine and such. And at one point one of the engineers for chevy goes "why the hell are we still having problems with this? you don't see the honda boys having these issues"

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Honda reliability... gotta love it
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honda > chevy! (and izuzu also)
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Honda reliability... gotta love it
even carries over to racing. go honda for never skimping on engine reliability!
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Were the enginners on the Chevrolet team British or American?

BAR(British American Racing) Honda I think is composed of mostly European Engineers.

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but of course...
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hey, but ferrarri still almays dominate the F1...they always win and it is getting boring.

Chevy? do they even work at F1?
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american engineers suck...no offence, but on look at the education levels in america compared with that of other nations, and we're nearly at the fu*king bottom of the list

this is the sole reason why imports are better than domestic... foreign engineerings are just friggin S-M-A-R-T-E-R
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hmm, last time i checked, Renault was beating Ferrari in points, even Toyota was on top of Ferrari. Chevy should look at the Ford F1 team, heh, there isnt a Ford F1 team cuz they cant keep up with the European and Japanese cars.
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but of course...
you gota wait till somone asks you for the grey poupon first......
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Originally Posted by chocobo15_2000
american engineers suck...no offence, but on look at the education levels in america compared with that of other nations, and we're nearly at the fu*king bottom of the list

this is the sole reason why imports are better than domestic... foreign engineerings are just friggin S-M-A-R-T-E-R
Yea you keep telling yourself that, of course that would explain why most Asians come to the US for engineering schooling, then they go back home and rake in the cash because their education is much better than that of people who obtained a local education.

The problem is not "smartness" but rather the outlook most american companies have. Could they obtain the degree of reliablity most Japanese manufacturers have? Yes.
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Originally Posted by Got Boost???
Yea you keep telling yourself that, of course that would explain why most Asians come to the US for engineering schooling, then they go back home and rake in the cash because their education is much better than that of people who obtained a local education.

The problem is not "smartness" but rather the outlook most american companies have. Could they obtain the degree of reliablity most Japanese manufacturers have? Yes.
I completely agree, in fact I believe the USA is in the top ten in education in a poll i read in my old geography book. It is kind of sad how many people on this site are so anti-american. I am not saying that honda or any other japanese products are inferior. But one must look at the cultural aspects. Japanese culture strives to attain perfection, while I believe american companies aim toward capital success. neither is better than one or the other, its just a matter of cultural differences.
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The imports have been here a long time, and shown what they are capable of. But yet, GM still cranks out their crap (and people still buy them)

If GM were to venture into F1 (I think it would be funny) They would not stand a chance.

I'am glad to see both Honda and Toyota there. I hope they stay.
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Originally Posted by Got Boost???
Yea you keep telling yourself that, of course that would explain why most Asians come to the US for engineering schooling, then they go back home and rake in the cash because their education is much better than that of people who obtained a local education.

The problem is not "smartness" but rather the outlook most american companies have. Could they obtain the degree of reliablity most Japanese manufacturers have? Yes.
actually, most asians come to america for schooling cause it's easier to get in. even with the language barrier. it's so competitive to get into the top schools in asia that it's easier to come to the states, even if they can barely speak the language. and the sad thing is, a lot of them will do better than native speakers.

and i think meeks was talking about america being in the top 10 in education? have you ever gone to home depot and seen people try to shove toilets through the self scanner? common sense would say, it would be damn difficult to lift the toilet to scan the barcode, but people still try to do it, EVEN when there's a huge sign that says, NO OVERSIZED ITEMS. if you can't follow damn directions, what's that say? same at the grocery store.

i'm not saying foreigners are innately smarter than americans. meeks and got boost are right that it's a question of cultural values and outlooks. just don't get it twisted about why people come here for school. it's not a question of being better here than there, it's just more opportunities.

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how long has Chevrolet been in F1? Honda has been at it a long time now. Ferrari just makes F1 look silly.
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Ferrari is doing quite poorly these days, with there new engines. Shumacker(or how ever you spell it) blew the engine in the race @ Bahrin. But its pretty early in the season. They brought out the new engines sooner than they said they would.
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Originally Posted by chocobo15_2000
american engineers suck...no offence, but on look at the education levels in america compared with that of other nations, and we're nearly at the fu*king bottom of the list

this is the sole reason why imports are better than domestic... foreign engineerings are just friggin S-M-A-R-T-E-R

I wouldn't say that. United States has the most hi tech weapons and space travel in the world. Many of the comapies that are sponsers in F1 are American Companies (bling bling). United States just isn't big on F1.

BTW the Subaru STI was desingned by a british guy and its a japanese car.

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yeah

Originally Posted by nindoo
I wouldn't say that. United States has the most hi tech weapons and space travel in the world. Many of the comapies that are sponsers in F1 are American Companies (bling bling). United States just isn't big on F1.

BTW the Subaru STI was desingned by a british guy and its a japanese car.

Yeah, I am with you on that.

Althoguh japanese and german engineers are great, we can't say american engineers sucks. In fact, the north america include canada do lead the world in technology.

Domestic car are less reliable because of their marketing strategy, they understand now days people change taste a lot and most of people will lease a car for 3 years instead of buying it and keep it for 10. The domestic companies want to make money, they will only improve quality to a point that they can profit.
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By far, imho US has the best conditions when it comes to living and making money. If it's not like that, then why does everyone want to emigrate over here? I myself come from a country where the only thing I'd have been able to have after working 40 hrs a week is a chinese bicicle that I rode to school every single day, sometimes even without having breakfast. I'm very proud of this country for everything it has done for me in every sense of the word, I just wanted to say that...

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Originally Posted by Titleist71
how long has Chevrolet been in F1? Honda has been at it a long time now. Ferrari just makes F1 look silly.
^^ Honda has been supplying engines or many many teams with varying success, so I wouldn't say they are leaders in the sport. But they keep trying. I think they are better now without Mugen involvment.

The only American engine supplier to F1 was Ford, and last year they announce they are selling Cosworth (that's why Jaguar disappeared) and ceasing their involvment in F1. I think they want to focux on NASCAR (pushrod engines) and WRC.

Chevrolet (GM) hasn't ever been involved in F1. And for that matter, I can't recall GM or Chevrolet ever being dominant in any international racing. If anyone can think of anything feel free to correct me.

Ferrari only sells cars to the public to finance their racing interests. Period, always has, always will. This focus of vision makes them giants in the sport. You ought to actually have some perspective and knowledge of F1 (or any international racing) before making such an asinine statement. You may recall there is no cap on spending in F1, being the top tier of motorsports.
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This is how I see it, in America people get new cars every few years, where in Japan they go much longer, over a decade. With that in mind, the Japs are forced to make a longer lasting car, where as the Americans arnt as worried about it seeings how the shelf life of a car in America is damn near a quater of what it is in Japan.

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Originally Posted by orion_squall
hey, but ferrarri still almays dominate the F1...they always win and it is getting boring.

Chevy? do they even work at F1?
It was IRL not F1, i apologize for the mistake

the documentary said that Honda won every race in this particular IRL league this year, except for 1. I think this was just this past season too.

In fact there was a point where the chevy guy had chevy's new engine which was supposed to be faster than honda's, and he got in 3rd place, behind the 2 hondas that were in 1st and 2nd.

He tried to draft with them and stick with them, but they just pulled because his car just couldn't keep up, until finally they had 10 seconds on him and he fell back with the rest of the pack.

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I completely agree, in fact I believe the USA is in the top ten in education in a poll i read in my old geography book. It is kind of sad how many people on this site are so anti-american. I am not saying that honda or any other japanese products are inferior. But one must look at the cultural aspects. Japanese culture strives to attain perfection, while I believe american companies aim toward capital success. neither is better than one or the other, its just a matter of cultural differences.
don't forget. the japanese way of manufacturing was actually taught to them by an american.

unfortunately american manufacturer's ignored his sound principles and to this day are still dragging their feet in adhering to better standards and quality principles.
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
Domestic car are less reliable because of their marketing strategy, they understand now days people change taste a lot and most of people will lease a car for 3 years instead of buying it and keep it for 10. The domestic companies want to make money, they will only improve quality to a point that they can profit.
It has nothing to do with marketing. Domestic manufacturer's feel it is cheaper and better for them to warranty a part than to have built the part right in the first place.
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
hey, but ferrarri still almays dominate the F1...they always win and it is getting boring.

Chevy? do they even work at F1?
That's true. Even though I'm a big Ferrari fan but it does get boring but this year, it doesn't look like it's gonna be that way. Ferrari been having problem with their engines this year & so does the B.A.R Honda. This year can be pretty fun watching the race. Renault, so far is leading the championship points.
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