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I'm defintley going turbo sometime soon and i'm trying to decide which of these two kits are the best. So far i can't decide between the TSI extreme turbo kit at turbokits.com, or Mr. staffords turbo at staffordfabrication.com. TSI kit runs $2899.00 and "ready to ship". Staffords basic turbo for $3199.00 then about a 4 month waiting period for fabrication. For some reason i wanna think the SF kit'll be better but i'd have to wait 4 months. That could be a plus cuz it would allow me to save for the install, turbo timer, gauges. But i could have the TSI kit sitting in my room, and not have to stress about wether i'ma get it or not. The only thing that worries me about the TSI kit is the fuel management kit. There's 2 options:

Fuel System Option 1:
- 2 Injectors & Interface Block
- TSI Injection Control Unit w/ Turbo Timer

Fuel System Option 2:
- APEXi V-AFC II
- APEXi Turbo Timer
- Boost Gauge


2 injectors!?!? WTF!? Is that right!? Anyways, what does everyone think the best fuel system'll be?

Lastly, my goal is to have a nice low 14 sec, high 13 sec civic. Which of these kits would be best?

Oh and the TSI kit says it offers 56% hp gains over stock @ 6psi. So roughly 165ish whp vs SF kit's 180+ whp @ 8 psi


TSI or SF!?

 
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I hate to say it but go with SF.. I got to drive a 2k2 with the SF kit last week and it is a very nice kit and has some nice power.

 
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8 psi was on an ex with exhaust ... and I don't think it was the base kit

 
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i have the sf exhaust manifold, and the only thing wrong was a minor leak by where the pipe meets the plate, thats it so im not much of a help, but my EXTENSIVE kit is forsale!!

i know i know u guys and selling ur turbo kits

 
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i dunno now....i can now get a TSI kit for $2639.75 and free shipping!!! T25 turbo, might go the extra $400 and get the T25 ball bearing turbo. What the TSI Extreme Kit comes with :
1 Garrett Turbo w/internal wastegate
1 High Nickel Composite Cast Exhaust Manifold
1 Downpipe
1 Fuel Pressure Regulator
1 MAP Unit
1 Oil Return Line and Fitting
1 Air Filter w/piping
1 Injection Control Unit w/Turbo Timer
1 Injector Interface Block w/Injectors
1 Blow Off Valve
1 High flow intercooler w/mounting hardware, pressure tubes, rubber hose connections and clamps

TSI kit at:
http://www.needboost.com/buy/turbo_s...me_turbo_kits/

$600 difference between TSI and SF now. Plus the TSI is fabricated and many many units ready to ship!!

 
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if you really want it right now, go for the TSI

 
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/\/\read my sig?? My turbo fund right now is 0!!!! I just feel the TSI kit would cause me less stress and frustration vs knowing staffords sales repuation. Plus the kits are already made and just have to be shipped out to ya!

 
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^^ you seem to already be set on the tsi, so why ask?

 
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TSI with the ballbearing kit seems like it will be a good bet. I've driven another car with the t25bb and it's a great turbo. However it looks like SF's quality is back, and they say they aren't going to take orders unless they have kits ready.

 
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You have no money, want it now? How would you get it now instead of waiting if you dont even have money??? Im confused

 
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True i am leaning more towards TSI, but i'm not whole-hearted about it yet. I'm just trying to look at all the aspects of each kit and get input and opinions from others

 
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well yeah, of course i want it now. I have to save up first, but when the time comes when i have enough, i wanna know exactly which one i want. Whats wrong with setting my mind on something now? Setting a goal and working towards that. Plus i can have this money in no time

 
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are you an auto or are you a stick?
ohh ya only get the t25bb!!!!
Also are you going to build your engine? or this the end to engine mods?

if you are an auto!
your not planning to upgrade tranny to hold more than 200whp
you want fast spooling so your not slow *** like a t3 until your at freeway speeds
get the T25bb!!! simple true facts I said in the other thread
t25bb spooled 2300rpms.
TSI = the best

t3 3500rpms
stick shift 5 speed can build boost simply reving.
capible of 300whp with a built engine.
if your an AUTO do not get this!!!!!! you will suffer so much in lower rpms and daily driving. imagine owning s2000 only ten times worse to get hp out of it.

look at dezod 145whp on a t3 auto at 7psi!!!! thats sad
dezod will swap for a t25bb though....

 
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Regardless of turbo size, the auto tranny is not going to hold or perform any better no matter what size turbo you buy. If it is T3, T25 or T3/T4. The auto tranny is a power eater...Plain and simple. The driveability is actually quite fine on a T3. It drives like n/a in light street mode driving without building boost unless you hit it a little more and want boost to build. If you have gobs of low end and can build boost while barely doing anything, then your not going to have a tranny left after a few months anyway. Then you may have just as well swapped to 5 speed and got the T3. Not to mention the fact you will need more boost pressure on a smaller turbo to make same power that a larger turbo makes on less PSI.

7PSI on a T25 does not equal 7PSI on a T3.


Edit: Plus we are running a fully functional catalytic converter, which robs quite a bit of power as well.

 
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Fuel System Option 1:
- 2 Injectors & Interface Block
- TSI Injection Control Unit w/ Turbo Timer

Fuel System Option 2:
- APEXi V-AFC II
- APEXi Turbo Timer
- Boost Gauge


2 injectors!?!? WTF!? Is that right!? Anyways, what does everyone think the best fuel system'll be?




i believe that the 2 injectors are supplemental....so they work in conjunction with the stock ones to deliver more fuel...

 
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Have you done a top speed run with the turbo yet?

 
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I think the two extra injectors are connected to your intake piping to the TB and sprays fuel for additional fuel! I've seen one for sale on the For Sale forum...

 
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dont wanna bash but knowing first hand what its like to deal with SF, i HIGHLY reccomend the TSI kit, why wait 4-6 months for a kit that will be of poor quality and missing parts? the person who bought my SF kit recently informed me that when they took apart the turbo, it had wood pieces in it...WOOD PIECES inside a supposedly "brand new" turbo!? that sound like something you want?

 
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a) the sf kit puts out way better numbers

b) the quality of the kits are far superior to the tsi kits (subjective, but overall from the numerous satisfied customers)

c) they have had a rough couple months but they're getting their act together....(don't you believe in second chances?)

d) when sf was first starting to market their kits here on the boards, they were always on the phone helping customers and even non-customers with their turbo and forced induction issues

 
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a. no argument there, dynos say it all, they do put out better numbers...but at what cost?

b. sorry but you cant say their kits are "far superior" then say "subjective". that doesnt make sense. me, you, and other members have read countless posts about the "far superior" quality of SF kits and their ghetto manifolds, bent piping, sketchy fuel set up, etc... how many TSI threads have you read in regards to any of the above?

c. lol, sorry no second chances from me. i waited 6 months for my kit, thats a half a year, for a turbo with wood in it, pipes with metal shavings on the inside (and they powdercoated over them), wrong downpipe, missing parts, etc... if i pay $3k for a turbo kit that took a half a year to make, sorry but that is MORE than enough time to still work out a quality kit even if your having a rough couple of months. (dont you believe in quality over quantity?)

d.yes, at first their customer service was outstanding when they came on the boards....but "at first" are the important key words in that sentence. my PM's were answered the same day at first. but then after there group buy they dissappeared off the boards after everyone was gunning them down for not shipping out kits when promised, then for shipping out kits with missing and/or low quality parts. "good customer service" doesnt mean your clients ready to take you to court cuz you lied and didnt ship the kit when promised and stopped replying to emails/phone calls cuz you want a refund. and for even having your vendors license suspended. i think people are starting to forget what SF is like, i hope this reminds some of you.

with all this in mind, get the TSI kit.

 
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I'm a 5 speed. I'd get a T3, but the TSI kits don't have that as an option. Would a 5 speed running a T25bb be sluggish in higher RPMs? Oh and yeah this would be the end of my engine mods for now. I would only run the recommended 6 psi for daily driving. TSI says that's safe on stock internals so yeah, no internal work. Then maybe once in a great while i'd run it at 8 psi at the track or something. The only thing that worries me is that they say to upgrade the fuel system if you wanna run anything more than 6 psi. I know nothing about fuel systems!

 
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I like the numbers that Dezod is putting out. A lot of people doctor up numbers when they do dynos to get the wow factor. Some people fall for it. Im not saying that SF did that. I just mean that when I saw Dezod's #'s I didn't automatically have to adjust for the BS factor you see in so many kits today. I like that, it lets me know that they're on the up and up. If the numbers aren't what you want keep in mind that this on an economy car with a catylitic converter(by the way a lot of people dont do dyno runs without some sort of cut out or test pipe). Don't hate on the kit, just because this guy respects you enough to give you real results.

Dezod any valve body mods in the future for the VIC?

 
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i know you were looking for a kit with the least headache, right. have you considered a custom kit? they are more work and a little more headache, but with a little planning you can build a kit that you'll have picked out yourself. just an idea. im biased against premade kits b/c their prices are marked up from what you actually get. but thats just me. anyways do what you think is best for your setup! -- Jeremy

 
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SF for sure man.. we have yet to see good track times from other kits.. tried and tested best kit out there... easy high 13s around 8psi...

 
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I'll say some good mid to low 14's on 8psi with the SF kit on STREET TIRES....anyway, I have a SF kit and completely satisfied as of now but I also have a friend who has the TSI kit and he's run 13.6 in the 1/4 with his TSI kit...his name on here is Crewchief...also his run was on DR's too I believe


okay man by the time u have the $$, I'm sure Dezod will have a kit out ready to sell to the public, SF will have made EVEN MORE BETTER changes to their kit and I'm sure the TSI kit will make changes also....how about you just keep an eye on these forum and the different kits and setups everyone's boosted running and bty the time u get your $$ saved up...I say save up about $3500....THEN u start comparing kits but until u can still make your own lil' lists of pros and cons of the CURRENT kits availabe. good luck in whatever decision u make man

 
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those are some good numbers...btw your post are at 666...your the devil....ahh. j/k

 
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i thought the tsi kit also had a t28 upgrade.

 
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its does for a T28BB

 
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Thanks for the positive comments.

If I keep the vic, 5 speed swap w/ pistons and internals. 15 PSI daily then.

I am runnin 8.5 PSI daily on the auto now.

 
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How much boost was Crewchief running?