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today one of my friend told me that
after he installed his rear wing spoiler( think it's oem but not sure..at least it looks like oem..)
there was nothing like forcing the car to the ground but only thing he felt was that
the car is more stable when cornering..
hm..in fact, he drives kinda ruff and corners at kinda high speed..
but i doubt if its true..
rear wing spoiler..better cornering..
doesnt make sense imo..

 
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yea it'll do that sometimes!!!

 
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but about the cornering thing ummmm yea you right doesn't really make sense to me neither!!! but hey test it out and drive the bleep out of it around the corner then get back to us!!!!

 
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spoiler wont do shiet on fwd
what kind car does he drive?

 
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i thought that's what spoilers do is basically hold it to the ground ? right?

 
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downforce on the back of a FWD car will decrease the amount of downforce on the drive wheels (ie..the front of the car)

 
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The whole rear spoiler on FWD thing is only an oxymoron for something like drag racing. For something like a road course, handling balance between the front and rear is what you want. Who's to say that the spoiler wouldn't make his car more balanced without knowing the setup. Besides, slamtank didn't say if the guys car is FWD, RWD, or AWD. That being said....

Your friend would have to be moving at an extremly high rate of speed around those corners for the spoiler to have any noticeable effect. I'm talking 50+ mph, unless he has a sprint car wing, LOL.

Are these corners where 2 streets intersect or a winding twisty road?

 
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He's feeling something in his head.

Unless He's hitting corners at track speeds (60+ mph) then that wing aint doing squat for him. and even if he is, the spoiler has to be tuned to work with the cars areodynamics to get clean air over it for it to even work. He's dreaming.

 
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wow those are tack speeds?? I take some corners at 80 (SOME) others at 60-70

one time i was tryin to catch up to this beamer and took a curve at 90 that was crazy! i love suspension mods...makes the car fun to drive since its not fast

 
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turning at 90? you crazy ****

 
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Depends on what class your running, IT (Improved touring) is production cars so they are the most like us, and so is SS (Show rooom Stock). Cornering speeds are lower then the Modifieds. also, Corners tend to be much sharper then the street. The one thing he might be feeling is just the added weight on the rear of the car.

some Improve touring cars


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It may be just the placebo effect but, after I added an OEM wing I did notice some extra highway stability. Mind you it was only a slight change at highway speeds of 70MPH+.

 
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sorry wings dont do squat. not even on my car.that just for looks mostly. you dont see big wings at nascar do you ?? some higher end touiring type cars yeah.

 
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I agree with you on wings but why did you go and ruin a right statement by saying the "N" word... nascar - like ladies i can turn left.

 
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they are for down force on the drive wheels so if u need one in the front on our cars thats way other then oem wings are not that cool

 
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Only in drag racing are they used for that. In road racing there is other advantages of having a spoiler (Front) Causes a slight vacume under the car at higher speeds but also creates more Drag so your top speed suffers. also A rear wing can help, but it must be properly tuned and mounted to the car. Mounting a wing in the middle of the deck lid is just stupid. why mount somethg (That is supose to push down) to what is quite possiblly the weakest part of your car? you'll notice that any "Real" race car with a wing has that wing attached to the frame (or some other Solid part) and not to the sheet metal of the decklid. Thats why rear wings are rairly seen or used in actual racing. the pros use them because they have the time and $$ to set them up properly. the rest of us that race, don't bother because we know that any advanage given is so small as to be not worth the effort. Other then that, a Rear wing is actually slowing you down, by increacing your wind resistance.

 
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Hey Zzyzx, i would love to see a vid of you autocrossing...make it happen!!

 
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Nascar has strict regulations, thats why you dont see big wings. The rear wing has two purposes that I know of. One is to create downforce for stability, and the other is to remove vacuum. You ever heard of drafting(not to be confused with drifting)? Its a fancy name for tailgating. When your clipping along at a good rate of speed, you create this vacuum behind you. Its a known trick to draft in racing, and if done right can work out to your advantage. So with a wing, you can eliminate some of the vacuum with the proper setup. Removing the vacuum properly can increase efficiency.

 
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He knows his **** ^

 
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cars in NASCAR do not have wings, they are spoilers.

the hole i hate nascar because its popular is really childish. until u actually drive in a nascar sanctioned event dont knock it.

 
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Just because people who you consider "below you" watch nascar doesnt mean its a stupid talentless sport. I know "blue collar" "hicks" who drive "trashy" cars like trans-ams and cameros don't have good taste. I would bet my house that if you picked 24 nascar haters on this forum and dumped them into a nascar race, there would be accidents all over the place. The fact that there is so rarely an accident itself is testimont to their skill. You're right they can turn left. I wonder if you can turn left and stay in front. while other cars are trying to pass you on both sides, and you going ridiculously fast speeds.

I'm not saying you specifically have that feeling towards blue collar workers, I'm just saying that sense of elitism permeates every topic on this b oard where nascar or trans-am is mentioned.

 
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i agree, i havent driven a "nascar" i've driven a stock car at 142 going into the first turn at atlanta motor speedway. and believe me, i was scared as ****ing *****. the turn is so banked you feel like youer gonna hit a wall. Wall being the bank of the track. those guys sit in a car at about 90 defrees without going pee or drinking water or anything for sometime 3 hours or more, and going at speeds up to 200+ mph, i dont care who says they could do it with their car or do it period. its not happening, unless your trained your completely ****ed.

dont knock it till you try it.

Richard Petty Driving Experience - It'll leave Skidmarks in your Underwear.

 
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RACING SPOILERS are DESIGNED to push a car to the ground. it's been theorized that an indy car could drive UPSIDE DOWN because the downforce caused by the wing alone would hold it to a track (if one were built so that if could flip itself over without wrecking...). that said, touring and "designer" wings aren't going to do much for you. the speeds that you would have to hit for the spoiler to come into play aren't going to reasonable. especially if you are going to be trying to take a corner...

in other words...its in his head, or in the weather conditions

-DINGALING

 
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I actually have, they had a "open" day i guess you would call it at the Pocono track (which is about 30 min from my house) we all went down. So its highly moded domestic cars with speed and not much else. I dont hate nascar because its popular (actually to me it isnt popular). Go take it to an SCCA track or rally or something thats inresting and takes some talent.

 
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haha yeh..hes kinda person who SAYS "i kno everything"
yeh hes making his own universe..with his own theories..
anyway..
of course his car is civic..its not a RWD civic nor AWD civic but FWD civic
haha
funny huh?

 
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Here's my take on everything so far...

1.) a Spoiler/wing on a FWD car could make sense if the car was set up properly, that's all there is too it...sure it pushes down on the back creating more oversteer... but then maybe that allows a bigger sway bar in the front...which would result in more neutral handling.. therefor it would be a good thing...

2.) Nascar, IS a form of racing, I personally don't enjoy it, but those guys (and girls) have ***** (and ovaries) the size of grapefruits, they have some of the highest average speeds of any form of racing, sure they're "just turning left" but those who get 1st place can do it better then the rest, and MUCH BETTER THAT JOO!!!!

3.) Rally Racing Is the best....(Snow...Ice...Wet Tarmac... Tarmac... Mud... Rocks... Gravel... dirt... sand...many of these road types appear in the same stage even)

4.) The thing about the f1 car is true, at something like 200 mph, a f1 car produces well over 3000lbs of downforce, which is more than it weighs. On another note.... the Saleen S7, at something like 120-140 MPH (it's been a long time since i read the article) could do the same thing, provided they could design a track that would allow a car to become inverted and still maintain its speed.

 
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I'd take the GT series, or the LeMans (Us or Europe it dosnt matter). the only time I think NASCAR is interesting is the 2 times that they are on a road course. I think its because a NASCAR race car has NOTHING to do with the car it resembles, where the GT series (and porions of the LeMans series) are production cars turned in to race cars. So theoretically you could take your every day street car and turn it in to a GT car, un like NASCAR where you would have to build a tube frame chassis from the ground up.

That and they don't race in the rain, Whats with that?


cdmx, I'm working on that.

 
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so since people are saying that wings dont do anything on our cars, is there anything i can do to make my car not feel like its going to jump off the ground if your going 100+ and hit a turn on the freeway, how can we get our cars to stick to the ground? if not by a wing?

 
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Unless you have a whole lotta money, it's not really possible, what you need to do is get a body kit that actually creates downforce, as well as rent wind tunnel time to see what your car does at high speeds. Our cars were not made to turn at 100+ mph, but they do pretty well at 60 given the right driver. You could just go with the usual suspension mods, like sway bars, that'd help some... but all in all, not much to be done.

 
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wouldnt it help if you had our car lowered(so lower center of gravity) and bigger wheels so there isnt rubber to flex as muchm would that make us stick to the ground more as well as a anti-roll bar? i still thought some people that a wing was a necessity for what they did and that they needed that much downforce on the back or something like that