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I don't think he will get out of, but if he wants to try, go for it. I know people here who have tried about everything, and still have to pay. The over pay will keep it off the isurance though. Every time I've tried to fight a ticket though, I end paying more than the normal mail in fine. Just my .02

 
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If you are ony worried about the points, then dont. It wont be in your record according to NY DMV.

This whole page of research for written not guilty plea is now useless

I dont see why you would want to send the extra money. You only do it so you dont get a point. In your case, you wont even if you pay up.

 
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jrfish, ur .02 cents is greatly appreciated. thank you! =)

well see..

i want to do a combo...

say,

1. send the bail+$5 money and the written not guilty plea to the court....
2. if the written not guilty fails on me, then the +$5 trick might actually "cancel" the ticket, right?

 
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Insurance... my insurance goes 10-15 bucks a month for every ticket I get.

 
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I'm not sure abou that, you would have to call the them. Usually once it goes to court the mail in option is gone and your under the judges mercy. And judges aren't very nice to out of staters any where. That's money into their county and state that wasn't there before and thus boosting the economy in that area (presuming that they actually get enough out of state people) wether that is true or not, I don't know. But that's how the judges I know thinks.

Good luck with what ever you choose to do though!!!

 
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Not to go on, but if the not guilty plea actually goes, you'll be set a court date that you have to appear at. You can not show, but your laywer has to have a power of attorey slip to represent you without your presents. But then you have to pay for a laywer.

But this does bring up the only way I've ever heard of anyone getting out of a ticket. You can call the police station, find out when the issuing police officer has a day off, and make your appointment on that day. 9 times out of ten, they won't show. And if they don't show, you automatically win. This is the cheapest way, if you want to travel back to Oberlin, and then there is a chance the cop will show up and then the judge will know what you have done and not be very happy about that. A 15 MPH ticket can run up to 300 + court cost (which is usually about 50-75) if the judge gets really mad.

 
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ok ok...........

wait ur horses..............

ur saying that EVEN THOUGH i send the bail money AND the written not guilty plea, BIGGER chance that the judge WON'T honor my plea and took the money instead, is that right?

so, in this case....should i keep sending the written not guilty plea?

OK, BTW..........

IF i send the WRITTEN NOT GUILTY PLEA, AND the judge actually send me a letter saying that I MUST SHOW UP on the court...................will that actually makes the matter worse?

 
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oh man...
i just talked to the prosecutor office....and there's a problem with the written not guilty plea....

for those of you in california, u already got all of em..

Section 40519(b) --> this is what i don't have from Ohio vehicle law..

there's none that says that I can represent myself by doing a Trial by Written Declaration under Section 40519(b)....

on Ohio law, there's only these options:
1. plead guilty
2. plead not guilty and come to the court
3. plead not guilty and hire an attorney to represent you (i.e truck driver from CA)
4. plead not guilty and hire an attorney to do the Trial by Written Declaration.

man..........there's none that says that I, as the defendant can do it by myself............ *SIGH*

from what i talked with the prosecution office, it seems like even though i send the letter asking for Trial by Written Declaration, the judge will ask me to come to the court OR hire an attorney.

 
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No, I'm not sure what they will do, but they will only do one or the other, they won't try one then the other.

And YES, if the judge goes with the not guilty plea, you probably won't save any money and you'll either have to hire a laywer or come to Oberlin (either way you'll have to pay just as much as the ticket and probably more). Chances of the judge throwing the case out is VERY small.

In Ohio, they want you to simply send in the money, that way they just get money and don't have to worry about hiring more judges and all that, because that's expensive. So they make it easier and cheaper to pay by mail. Infact some cops have credit card machines in there car now and you can pay when they issue the ticket.

 
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this is what im scared...if my pursuant to Written not Guilty Plea and Trial by Written Declation FAIL on me, this might happened, right??

anywho.................

IF i decide to pay the bail.....do you guys think i should do the +$5 trick??

u said the ticket WONT be processed, right? that's mean as if the ticket wasn't even written in the first place, right?

 
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Well, it has worked for me in past, but I know a friend who said it didn't work for him ( But who knows if he did it right?). There is still a record of the ticket, but the ticket is pending. And it won't get sent to the Ohio BMV, and thus your insurance will never see it. The only place it will be on record at is in Oberlin. Then in on Jan 1 2006 it will be voided as if it didn't exsit. But they have to wait 365 day before they can "void" it, and then it won't get looked at untill the end of that year (thus Jan 1 2006). This is the tricky part though and why it only work sometimes, after the one year and they have to look at, most of the time they just check to see you paid and hit the delete botton, but some times they actually go in and correct the information in the systems and you still get "charged" for the ticket, or they send it to the BMV (but this has to be a really **** county to do this). I'm not real familiar with Oberlin, but I've heard they aren't that bad in Ohio for this stuff.

If I where in your shoes, even with me living in Ohio, about 20 minutes from Oberlin, I would send the extra 5 bucks in and take those chances. It is really the only thing you can do here and not have it completely backfire on you and spend lots of money.

 
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Actually if all that fails on you and you don't pay the bail by the alotted time, they can either suspend your licence (which is only suspended in Ohio), and/or issue a warent for your arrest. In most cases though, if you simply call, they will extend the due date at least once. And then if you don't pay they send you letter and if you still don't pay (about a month after your due date) they go to the extreme I listed above. But they will do that and I have seen it done. A guy just recently got 90 day jail becasue he wouldn't pay.

 
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hm...

keep the opinions flowing guys..........

^^well...there goes the money for another mods......

 
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As I've said earlier, it wouldnt matter in zen_master's case because he doesnt get a point in his license, according to NY DMV.

zen_master, just pay $130 because you wont get a point in your record anyway.

you live in OH, get a ticket, you get a point in your license = higher insurance.

You live in NYC, got a ticket in OH = no point, no higher insurance

just pay the whole fine. or if you are that paranoid, pay them $133. Afterall, its only $3 extra

dude, dont you get it? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WRITTEN NOT GUILTY PLEA IN OHIO That option is down the drain. pay the fine.

 
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^^sorry man to make things look complicated..

however, there is Written Not Guilty Plea in Ohio....is just that....it's not exactly the same stuff as in California...

well, this is it, man..................i talked to my insurance company...they said that even though no points are accesed to my account, they might KNOW about the ticket....such that the ohio BMW might send some infos to NY DMV...even though NY DMV won't do a thing.....do u understand?

 
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But the Written Plea will cost you more than the ticket itself. This is what I am trying to tell you. Dont you have to hire an attorney to write the plea? And you would still have to appear at the trial day.

Might know, is not the same as WILL KNOW.

The only time that I think Ohio will send NY the info if your violation is a major one.

Insurance company isnt on your side bro. Dont listen to them and you should never called them unless its an accident. Well, looks like your insurance company now knows that you had a ticket. That raised your chances of a higher insurance premium.

 
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^^ huwahuahahaha..

hell no, man.........

i didn't say that i got a ticket.................i only said, IF I GOT A TICKET out-of-state...what's gonna happen? hehehe..

u know what, she was keep asking me about it! she asked, "so, did you get a ticket??" and i said, "NO MAM, I DIDN'T. I only ask you IF i got a ticket!"

LOL...

the other time, i changed myself into a stranger.....so, i talked to the new customer service department...and they're quite NICE compared to the normal customer service department...............normal tactic to get new customer!

 
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dude, Im seriously fu(ken pissed. Then why did you post this sh|T? You made me research and all, and everything was just an IF? And you find it funny?

 
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no mannnnnnnnnn...

i DID get the fu(king ticket!!!

i said, i talked to the my insurance company customer service and ask them about this situation...about the out of state ticket and all the crap....however, i DID NOT tell her that i got the ticket...

i only said to her that IF i got the ticket, what's the situation..........

i did get the freakin ticket...or else, i won't write this whole thread...

i greatly appreciate you help, man! thanks a lot...

any who....i'm really sad to say that....it seems like under ohio law, i can't go with this written not guilty plea without hiring an attorney..

i'll probably gonna check the oberlin court judge office again tomorrow.......

*sigh* it seems like the +$5 trick is the one that i'm gonna do... *SIGH*

 
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Dude don't you get it? The insurance companies check all BMVs!!! Guess what that includes ohio because ohio is in the US too!!! If you get a ticket in Florida (like I did) it doesn't go on my ohio licence, but some how my insurance still knows about it and charges me for it. It's amazing what they can do with computers now day, isn't it.

And Actually you can get a written not guilty plea in Ohio if you really wanted to, but it's pretty dangerous route to go. And you'll spend more than 100 buck in just getting the forms and processing fees. Basically you declare your self as your laywer, but then you have to register in the state as a laywer and and that costs money too, so you won't save your self any money.

And after all that, the judge may still fine the crap out of you.

 
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oh....fawk that.............................................. ...................

how positive are you about this, man? it seems that from my conversation with every peeps in Ohio.....this is quite true....in the end, the judge will ask me to hire an attorney to represent me on the court....even the Written Court...

well, this is it, mang...........this is the point why I wrote this whole thread.......because this is the one that i'm afraid of.................

well, actually my insurance company said...they're pretty kind on customer first speeding ticket...they said that the usually "forgive" the first offense...

anyway, in your state jrfish, do they put points if you got a ticket out-of-state??

 
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You don't have to have a laywer if you are registered in the state of ohio as a laywer, but agian the fees are not light for that. And even then I'm not sure if you can do it without coming to Ohio. When I hire a laywer, he can go do all the stuff for me, but generally I have to go up to the courthouse to get the final word. Although once I wasn't able to and he took care of it all for me without my presents.

And as for the points thing, whenever I hire a laywer, I have him make it so I don't get any point on my BMV record, but I pay a little heftier fine. This means the BMV DOESN'T charge for anything, I have no more points on my licence, and my insurance still know about the ticket and raises my rates. When I talked to my insurance about that stuff, they said they don't even look at how many points the state has given my, they look at what the ticket is for and assign their own points with there own point system to it. So they don't even have to know what state it was in, how many points went on your licence or any of that, just what the ticket was for (and in the case of speeding how fast over was I going).

 
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The judge will only ask you to hire a laywer if he thinks you are not able to handle the case your self (aka, you didn't fill out the paper work right adn don't know all the proper codes to put in).

 
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is this really happened to you???

how much of increase u got??

do you think my taking the traffic school (without even decreasing any points, cos' u got none anyway), the insurance will mark down and forgive your ticket?

 
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I've done this twice, where I hire a laywer fro a speeding ticket and tell them I don't want points on my licence. Both times I did NOT get the points on my record at the BMV, but had to pay 75 dollar fee, combined with a 100 dollar fee for the laywer, so total for the ticket was 175. But both tickets went on to my insuance, one raise my insuance 12 dolars a month (21 MPH over) and the other raised it 7 dollars a month (14 MPH over).

 
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what the it means with 7 dollars a month??

so....every single month, it increases??

 
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If my prieum was 150 a month, after a 7 dollar increas it will be 157 untill that ticket comes off (which is 3 years for my insuance). So I will pay 7 more dollars a month (that 84 dollars more per year) for 3 years, that's 254 dollars over a 3 year period I will be paying for that one ticket. After 3 years (assuming no other changes in my driving status) my insurance will go down to 150 agian. But of course this isn't the case for me becasue I hit 25 years old and a bunch of other things that makes my insuance go down.

 
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oh man....this sucks..

anyway, do you think the +$5 actually working for you?

 
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It worked on my last ticket that was about 2 years ago, and it still hasn't shown up on my insurance. So if they don't see it, I'm happy. I see it as the only bad that can happen is that you lose 5 bucks and your insuance still finds out and you have to pay a increased rate on your insuance and the 130 for the ticket. Best case, you pay the 130 for the ticket plus 5 and the insuance never sees it and your rates stay the same. So for 5 bucks I think it's worth a try

 
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^^ oh yeah it's worthed, man!! thanks!!

hm....i still can't believe this....i still can't believe that i can't fight this ticket in Ohio...

i think i'm gonna do some more research.......i still got few days before start going to my bank and make the money order...