Port-n-polished dezod*updated*
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Re: Port-n-polished dezod*updated*
Because a power goal is relevant. You wouldn't buy a gt30 for a setup you only want to make 250 whp on. Its not necessary. It isn't a matter of bare minimum from my standpoint, its a matter of necessity and use. Sure you'll make more power at lower boost levels if the head can flow more cfm, no quesiton about it. But the head ports themselves aren't the first place you run across a limiting restriction. That's my point. If someone wants to make say 350 or less horsepower, it isn't a necessity. I wouldn't ponder buying 1,000cc injectors, I'd have no use for them, it would be overkill and unnecessary. Its spending money just for the sake of spending money. That's what I was referring to about the gt30 turbo.
You had bugged me for a GT30 quotes and then ended up buying one used from a friend and somehow it backfired on you.
Re: Port-n-polished dezod*updated*
First off, I never bought a gt30 turbo. I'm still using the same turbo I've been using. What backfired? What are you talking about? And what does me buying or not buying a gt30 have to do with the necessity of portwork on a head?
If you have a personal problem, keep it off the board. Everything you just said has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. You're supposed to be a site vendor and this is how you conduct yourself? Great for business!
If you have a personal problem, keep it off the board. Everything you just said has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. You're supposed to be a site vendor and this is how you conduct yourself? Great for business!
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I gotta say that this thread was unbelievable to say the least. Both Andyman and Dezod, your arguments could be described like a catholic arguing with a christian about religious beliefs. Your both on the same track and even though Im a novice or even a complete amateur in the sense, I followed both of your arguments closely and I give both of you credit because I think both of you are credible enough to discuss and debate about these types of topics. However, I think this forum is notorious for debates that turn into straight out cut-throat arguments. So let me end by saying, this debate was an excellent debate by both sides and ended up getting sloppy, thats how forums are because we dont get to read facial expressions or feelings at all. Personally, I agree with both of your arguments and I think its just a judgement call that should be made by the end user.
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First off, I never bought a gt30 turbo. I'm still using the same turbo I've been using. What backfired? What are you talking about? And what does me buying or not buying a gt30 have to do with the necessity of portwork on a head?
If you have a personal problem, keep it off the board. Everything you just said has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. You're supposed to be a site vendor and this is how you conduct yourself? Great for business!
If you have a personal problem, keep it off the board. Everything you just said has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. You're supposed to be a site vendor and this is how you conduct yourself? Great for business!
On an end note, we are all human and make mistakes.
Re: Port-n-polished dezod*updated*
It's all good, man. Had nothing to do with downplaying anything, just my experience. This is why I was trying to leave things open ended for discussion. The only true way to ever really compare two cars is on the same dyno, the same day. Props to him for the work he's done and power he's achieved.
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This is an awesome thread, Andyman and Dezod, you guys are class acts. I wish threads could be run like this, you really represented the OG's of 7thgencivic.com. Great stuff, keep up the great threads.
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Re: Port-n-polished dezod*updated*
Glad to see this is turning out nicely in the end. Ditto on JBrown's comments, you guys are valued on this forum for your advice and experience and us plebes would hate to see you at each other's throats. I know I'm guilty of being a cheap bastard when it comes to building my car up - although I prefer the term 'thrifty'.
Paul I haven't forgotten about the list of things I will be getting from you, but I'll address them in email rather than hijacking this thread. I'm still doing research as I don't want to ask uniformed questions, and am still away from home on business anyway.
Paul I haven't forgotten about the list of things I will be getting from you, but I'll address them in email rather than hijacking this thread. I'm still doing research as I don't want to ask uniformed questions, and am still away from home on business anyway.
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It's all good, man. Had nothing to do with downplaying anything, just my experience. This is why I was trying to leave things open ended for discussion. The only true way to ever really compare two cars is on the same dyno, the same day. Props to him for the work he's done and power he's achieved.
Nice sig too.
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Update: Chris received the injectors back from flow testing and cleaning. The car will get some tuning, and will recieve some dyno time something this week.
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Oh man..........we have some good results for you guys. Sit tight. We are going to be getting everything squared away for presentation mode.
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*yawwnnnnn* i'm ready for these numbers lol. Steve and I can't wait, we're too anxious.
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Same car, auto D17 EX with our bolt on kit, upgraded walbro pump, PCS XFC and 577cc SRT-4 injectors with PnP head.
Baseline: 164whp & 142wtq @ 5 PSI
W/ PnP Head: 208whp & 211wtq @ 5 PSI
Baseline: 164whp & 142wtq @ 5 PSI
W/ PnP Head: 208whp & 211wtq @ 5 PSI
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Re: Port-n-polished dezod*updated*
Yeah, I would have guessed. When you're picking up 73.5 cfm at any rpm, you can figure quite a gain. The ports are so small, anybody looking at stock head knows theres tons of room for improvement. I wonder what kinds of gains people would see with a cam on an n/a setup. Whats up with the curves though? They look pretty sloppy.
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Yeah, I would have guessed. When you're picking up 73.5 cfm at any rpm, you can figure quite a gain. The ports are so small, anybody looking at stock head knows theres tons of room for improvement. I wonder what kinds of gains people would see with a cam on an n/a setup. Whats up with the curves though? They look pretty sloppy.
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Paul does it again! Damn man, the improvements just keep getting better and better. I just sit and wait patiently for the awesome creation of yours to arrive. Man o man is this gonna be worth it.
Like i have said and will continue to say. DEZOD > ALL
Like i have said and will continue to say. DEZOD > ALL
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hahahha, Chris, how's it going? Ian and I talked about going to that car show June 2. You in?
