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Let me prefix this with the fact that I'm a newb when it comes to turbo kits, but ive bought the dezod setup with emange+pressure sensor and new injectors. I'm about to have a local shop do the install for me, but I want to make sure I understand what's involved so that I can verify the job afterwards. Now my few questions:

1) Where do you tap the wastegate vacum line at? (Wheres the best place that is, the DIY just says any source is good.)

2) What do you do with the upper solenoid of the wastegate if your not going to run a boost controller initially?

3) Can someone clarify the injector install, from what I've read it seems that I'm going to need a new bolt - does anyone know what size?

4) Where do you tap the emanage pressure sensor? (Wastegate?)

5) The Tial wastegate that dezod provides is set to 5.8 psi as its lowest setting, if I'm careful, can I run untuned with this for a couple days or so (as that I'm not sure if the tuners will be immediatly available once its finished)

6) As far as the wastegate goes, the non-connected opening is where everything is going to be vented? Does this just stay open unless you reroute to exhaust?

7) Dezod gives you the secondary downpipe for EX exhaust conversion, I have a magnaflow exhaust so I dont need that downpipe, just the short one?

8) How do you adjust the wastegate without a boost controller? Do you just reach in turn the crank by hand?

I know that may be a lot to ask, I did search around and trust me when I said I had a lot more questions than this before I started reading, thanks for any responses. (I may have 1-2 more questions after this - maybe )

 
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Let me prefix this with the fact that I'm a newb when it comes to turbo kits, but ive bought the dezod setup with emange+pressure sensor and new injectors. I'm about to have a local shop do the install for me, but I want to make sure I understand what's involved so that I can verify the job afterwards. Now my few questions:

1) Where do you tap the wastegate vacum line at? (Wheres the best place that is, the DIY just says any source is good.)

Anywhere, all it needs is a boost reading
2) What do you do with the upper solenoid of the wastegate if your not going to run a boost controller initially?

There shouldnt be a solenoid on a wastegate, its just a spring with a plunger. No boost control I think one of the ports is left open

3) Can someone clarify the injector install, from what I've read it seems that I'm going to need a new bolt - does anyone know what size?

M6x1 studs, 30mm or longer, and new nuts

4) Where do you tap the emanage pressure sensor? (Wastegate?)

anywhere after the throttle body. Brake mastervac line works, put a T in between the IM and the check valve

5) The Tial wastegate that dezod provides is set to 5.8 psi as its lowest setting, if I'm careful, can I run untuned with this for a couple days or so (as that I'm not sure if the tuners will be immediatly available once its finished)

Not smart. Either dont drive the car, or take the WG spring out

6) As far as the wastegate goes, the non-connected opening is where everything is going to be vented? Does this just stay open unless you reroute to exhaust?

at the least put a dumptube on it so you dont melt the radiator tanks etc...

7) Dezod gives you the secondary downpipe for EX exhaust conversion, I have a magnaflow exhaust so I dont need that downpipe, just the short one?

8) How do you adjust the wastegate without a boost controller? Do you just reach in turn the crank by hand?

the spring controls it, you cant adjust the boost without a controller

I know that may be a lot to ask, I did search around and trust me when I said I had a lot more questions than this before I started reading, thanks for any responses. (I may have 1-2 more questions after this - maybe

The shop, if they know anything, should be able to answer all this and hook the lines up the right way.

 
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Thanks for the reply. Yea the guys down there know what there doing, theyve done a few turbo setups for others, but I always like to ask the same question to a lot of different people, that way you'll eventually get the total truth at some point

 
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Nice responses Boliermaker. At least someone knows what they're doing! (Not me of course.)

 
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1) A vac source from the intake manifold is fine

2) Top port vents to atmosphere.

3) The studs need to be lengthened. I do not recall the length, but I do know there is a VERY old DIY on here somewhere.

4) A vac source from the intake manifold is fine

5) That is the lowest boost you can see, correct.

6) No need to reroute it into the exhaust. I would merely get a tube made pointing to the ground and call it a day

7) If you han EX, I would recommend using it. If not, LX/DX/HX owners can just use the shorty.

8) Change of WG spring is what can be done if you do not want to use a BC.

 
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So does that mean that at 5 PSI and lower that theres no noticeable difference and tunning can be put off for a day or two, or are you just confirming that the spring is 5 PSI and I should remove the spring until I get it tuned?

 
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If you don't want to risk blowing up your engine DO NOT DRIVE w/o a tune. Take the spring out if you have to drive so the wastegaste stays open. There is a basemap you can use to get you started if you have pcs xfc with dezods kit.

 
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nope, unfortunatly I cant use that map as that I have E-manage. I did take a look at some other members maps, but I'm going to wait for the tuner at the shop, so Ill tell them to take the spring out when they install it and we'll just have to put it back in when I go for tunning.

BTW I just want to say, thanks for all the helpful responses, at this point I think I could probably install this thing myself, unfortunatly I dont have the time. But thanks to you guys I know what I need now.

I have to pickup:

M6x1 studs, a dumptube, and a vacuum manifold to complete all the parts I need. It's so funny because I was trying to figure out how I was going to fit all those sensors in the intake with only two ports.

BTW does anyone think the whole vacuum manifold thing is too overkill? It gives you 6 ports, at least the one I found, but Ill probably only ever need 4. (Maybe 2 T's would be better?) Again - much thanks for the help.

 
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Make sure your post back after your install. I'm really interested to know how your turbo kit runs with emanage.

 
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The GE vac. mani has 6 ports, BUT they all come blank and you have to drill through the wall to open up as many as you need. So while it has the ability to handle 6, if you only need 4, you just wouldnt drill through the last 2 ports.

 
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1. On the throttle body, there is a hose by the MAP sensor, that is your a vaccuum source that I used.

3. Your going to have to remove your fuel rail which is by your throttle body and get longer bolts from a discount auto parts store

5. I drove around for a couple of days untuned with the wastegate open and DON'T GO INTO BOOST!

That's my 2 cents. Hope it helped.

 
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Again thanks for all the input guys, I was going through all my stuff as a double check before I take the car in and I have one final question and its about the oil return and 02 sensor+breather hose. In the kit i recieved a hose that is just a hose which I assume is supposed to be used as the oil return line. My question is then what do you do with the breather hose and O2 sensor that used to go into the intake?

 
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bump for a change in my question.

 
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Its not an O2 sensor, its an IAT sensor. Drill a small hole in the coupler that will be next to the TB, then jam the sensor through the hole, then slobber RTV all over the outside.
The breather hose, either stick a filter on it, or route it to a catch can.
don't forget to remove the PCV valve, plug the hole in the IM (or use it as a vac source), put a fitting in the block and run that line to a catch can.

 
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ah, that makes sense. Now i see what PCV vent system is for
I should have ordered that with the rest of the kit, ah live and learn - wasnt even thinking about those two things when I was considering everything. Thanks for all the post Boiler, I think that covers everything. I'm going to call the shop tommorow and see if they can go ahead and order these things. I'm going to be dropping the car off on Monday, hopefully itll be finished by friday at the latest if they have to wait on these last couple items. Again, thanks much.

 
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ANother question just crep up after I installed emanage. Whats the Stock Injector Size? I've searched and some people say 220,240,215 - well anyone know exactly what it is for an LX. I figure its probably 220 for DX\LX and 240 for EX - but not one post that I've found has explicitly said: LX\DX = 220, EX = 240, can anyone confirm this?

 
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man this thread is awesome

 
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I warned you that I was newb when it comes to this stuff

 
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naw man these are all good questions...this thread was a great idea.

i see you live in forestville? where is that if i might ask and where do you plan on getting your car tunned?

 
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hpracing is doing the install for me and theres a dyno across the street from them.

Yea, I hoped everyone would appreciate these questions....but like I said I got emange installed (not like its an uber achievement or anything) but its updated to 1.49 and everything looks like its working. Heres a parked rev:



so can anyone confirm the stock injector size on a LX of 220 or 240?

 
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240 should be fine. Too much variation from stock with the D17 causes a CEL. Search under stumped the panel or something. I wrote a hole huge thread about this 2-3 years ago.

 
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thanks for the reply - i was just looking for some concreate information as that a lot of the threads I found had another that contradicted it. Again thanks for the reply.

 
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This thread is what I was referring to:
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...light=e-manage

This thread will help some too:
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...light=e-manage

 
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Here's an update on my situation:

Currently the guys at HP have most of the install done, were just waiting on a vacuum manifold that's taking its sweet time. They've actually done me a slight favor and are going to give me a full custom 3.5 magnaflow exhaust for about $300 installed. Now I've run into a slight emanage tunning problem and I have a question (its sorta been answered above but I just wanna make sure):

If I have them remove the spring from the wastegate, I should be able to drive the car moderatly and not have any weird problems correct? The only reason I ask is because its going to cost me way more than I really want to pay to have the car towed to the dyno shop, if I can save the money and put it toward the dyno - id much prefer that. Thanks for the replys. (Btw there also fashioning me a custom dumptube for the wastegate to drop it to the ground - they keep telling me it looks real clean, but ill find out on monday ).

 
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you gotta have the correction factor set for the injectors, but I wouldnt drive the car too far until there's a map in place.... drive it home and park it. Do you have AAA? You probably could have the car towed to the dyno for free.

 
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Hey boiler, I just noticed your in DC - did you have your car tuned around here and if so where?

 
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3.5" exhaust is kinda big. I am sure you mean 2.5", which would more ideal for sure.

I would say that removing the spring or driving in VAC would be ideal. If can tow it, I beleive that would be best as boiler said.

 
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Agile Automotive Performance - Tuning, Fabrication, and Parts
North of Baltimore.
If you call them, tell them Justin with the silver turbo civic sent you there. They're gonna hate me for sending all these Civics to them, but maybe they'll get real good tuning them.

 
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It's funny, I called Agile and they said that they didnt wanna tune my car because its an auto. So I've gotta stick with Extreme Motorsports. They specialize in evo's, but they've done a few hondas as well using greedy\ hondata.

Nope, I do believe that they said it was going to be a 3.5 (maybe just a 3) magnaflow, but I still have my 2.25 magnaflow. If the 3.5 causes too many problems or oddities ill switch back /shrug. Why is something bad going to happen from going up to 3.5? Won't that make the system more free flowing but not neccessarily overly free flowing. I only have a 2" drop on my car and the 2.25 exhaust still has a good amount of clearence except for when I go over enormous speed bumps that even a stock vette couldnt make it over without scraping. The way I figure it is that the extra 1.25 isnt really going to do anything as far as power, but a custom mated exhaust thats going to snake my underbelly perfectly for 300 installed is a pretty good deal dont you think?

 
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bump for a comment - i know its friday but its not like I have any party money with this install and all . I get to sit around watching TV and posting on message boards for the next couple of weekends - yay!!!!