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Hey everyone, 1st off i did search for all K24 swap questions, and so i wont post those on this thread, but theres still a few things im confused about that id like to clear up. next IM ONLY LOOKING AT CRV/Element/Accord k24's as a TSX k24 is outa my pricerange. ( Sorry i dont feel like looking up engine code's for the specific K24's im talking about) I just found a Accord K24+5Speed tranny for 1800 CDN.

1) Are ALL? k24's Drive by wire? (CRV/Element/Accord)?
2) ARE there actually hood clearance issues installing a K24 into an EM2 Chassis.
3)Which is the best K24. I was thinking, comp ratio, runner length, IM Performace. I know the CRV has a 9.6 but it makes more HP lower, and also has 5 more trq( according to the #'s on k20.org)
4)YES I KNOW THIS QUESTION COULD GET ME FLAMED, but what kind of WHP do they put down stock? with i/h/e?
5) Any1 ran a near stock k24(non-hybrid, that means u hondalover) down the 1/4 mile? What are your times?
6) Which of the K24's have the best gearing. I looked at the Accord's gearing, it looked decent. Yes i know the k20a3/a2 have better gearing/6speeds, but i want to keep prices down, so buying engine+tranny together WILL BE CHEAPER.
7) Lastly, i have found bits and pieces, and im assuming everything is similar but, are the k24 swap and k20a swaps identical? If not, what are the main differences between the 2 swaps.


Thanks in advance

Vantage

 
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1. no, only the tsx
2. yes, but the mounts cleared it up, and you need a smaller stock pulley for the ps pump
3. crv, get a type S, or si IM
4. 160/160 ish
5. no comment
6. you have to use a manual si, base rsx, rsx type S, or type R tranny
7. the k24 is 22mm taller and the passanger side mount is diffrent(bolt pattern) hasport has a k24 mount kit

 
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thanks a bunch, I checked hasport.com but didnt see any k24 kits listed on there.

 
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call them, they have the mounts.
also go to k20a.org and k-series.com there has been some pioneering done on the non hybrid k24 lately.

 
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i heard that you cant put an k20a2 head on the accord blocks for some reason... fitment wise.

 
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Cool, all looks good. 2 bad im a student and $$$ is tight, cause there is also an LX turbo kit with EVERYTHING including emanage running 8psi( the guys car made 192whp@8psi) going for 2600 canadian, which is damn cheap... Looking for info so when i get outa university and get a real job, i can afford doing a nice engine swap. Since i commute over 130km's daily.

But 160whp/160wtrq seems rather low iMO for a 2.4L I-Vtec with the basic bolton's... I guess it works out tho, cause a b16a usually dyno's around 140...

Id like to see 180whp/170qtrq if i do do a k24 swap tho. Can this be done without going inside?( no cams/pistons) a good header, Intake 2.5" exhaust. Vafc?!?! new IM?

Lastly, does a VAFC even work on i-vtec, i know the fuel settings will be changed and all that, but what about vtec crossover and all that, since i didnt think i-vtec's really had a xover point...

 
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160/160 hp/tq isnt bad considering the k24 accord and crv and element DO NOT have I-Vtec. Just normal v-tec. the stock heads are basically worhtless. if you have I/rh/e and k-pro you are maybe looking 170 whp. do your self a favor and do a type-s or tsx head swap. i sold my tsx head for $500. thats a super good deal and will basically make the same power if you use type-s cams and VTC cam gear.

 
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correct me if im wrong please. But k24's have NO vtec OR ivtec ( SINCE regular old Vtec doesnt exist anymore in K's) They only have VTC i believe. Regardless, im not looking to spend a lot or start swapping heads, only looking for a cheap torque monster to swap in.

 
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no k24 has vtec and only the tsx has i-vtec.

 
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all k-series have i-vtec people... how many lobes it has is a different matter

 
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thats wut i was thinking too... but i still can't find or decide which Head i'll be runinng. So keep up this thread

 
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I did a LOT of research on k20.org, and found conflicting results


I found there is i-Vtec for all K series, but only the K24a2(TSX) has the same i-Vtec as the K20a2. The rest of the K's ( CRX/Accord/Element) Have i-Vtec like the k20a3's.

So i take back my other statement they have no i-vtec, they just dont have the GOOD i-vtec, they have the crappy Vtec-E style i-Vtec like the k20a3.

and to blackdragon.
If you are gunna headswap. BY far the best head is the k20aR head or K20a2 if u cant afford/find an R. The k24a2 head is almost as good as a k20a2's but has less agressive cams, and a few other things not as good.

But they also say on k20.org, is for the price/headache of doing a K24a1/3 block+k20a2 head, its a lot cheaper and easier to go k24a2(TSX).

 
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ALL k-series has i-vtec
ONLY k20a, a2 has 3 lobes in the cams. <-- 3lobes = TURE i-VTEC
2 lobes = eco i-vtec
k20a, a2, k24 (tsx) has the best head flow.

 
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if you are doing a swap, get the tsx. it is few bills more.

dam bb

 
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Looking at the local prices of K24's... The K24a2(TSX) looks way outa my budget... locally they go for around the same price as a k20a2 , which is about 4500-5000 canadian, whereas a K24a1/a3 can be found with tranny for 1500.

Also, the k20a, from the Civic Si?, doesnt it have only 2 lobes, and the k24a2/k20a2 have 3 lobes?

Im new to the K scene so please bear with my newbieness, i just want to get the facts straight because a lot of what people have posted on this thread differs from other things ive heard.

 
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damn you got more answers than i did. nice

 
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dam... $4500 for a tsx engine.
I think they go about $2k-2.5k here in the state.

the k20a, I am talking about is the DC5-R (RSX-R).
Yes, K20a2 (RSX-S) and K24a2 (TSX) has 3 lobes.

 
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Ok, beauty we are all on the same page now Thanks for all ur help stl01civic, ya ive only found 1 TSX engine on car-parts.com for sale in canada and its not even close to where i live ( vancouver) and its damn expensive.

 
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i just want to say for the people in this thread.... so much information so quick.... Vantage you are a lucky guy

 
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that is what happens when 2 people that are on the computer wayyyy to much start posting, a thread from start to finish in like 2 hours...

Ive been working on CAD( Im a engineering student) all night, so i keep checking back on here/k20.org every few mins


Also, to those interested in a k24( Non-tsx swap) Ive heard some really good things, a guy on k20.org with a k24a1 with i/h/e port matched IM,Bored TB, race cat, and K100 says his k24a1 pulls harder than his SC'd k20a3.

I cant wait till i get a real job and a real engine.

 
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pulls harder cause of the torque. reguardless with what you go with, you still make way more power than your d17 would ever dream of and the k-series are getting of lot of aftermarket support behind them so if you ever do decide to head swap, it will be super easy.

 
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please explain to me how it will be "super easy"
reflash is required among other things

 
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just get k-pro the first time and you wont need to worry about it. head swaps on k24's are fairly sraight forward. labor on it if a shop did it would be around $700. $700 for labor plus + $600-$1k for the head for 30+whp and way more potential is definately worth it in my opinion.

 
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its more than 30 hp gain..

 
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ya man, hes putting down 232whp, over a stock K24's 140's whp

 
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well he has i/rh/e and k-pro vs a STOCK accord. that is far from stock and dyno was at church's who's dynapack reads a bit high. im not trying to discredit you hondaluver im just saying dont hope for 100whp cause your not going to get it. i have seen over on clubrsx.com guys hitting 170whp in accord blocks too, and guys hitting around 200-210 with tsx motors.

 
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He has quite few real mods on his engine.
type s head, type r trottle b and intake, looks like it tuned well too.
To me 232 whp looks very realistic.

 
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a dyno is only a tool to tune. it does not show realistic numbers since not all dynos are built the same. it gives a good idea of how powerful your car is though...

the only real way to see how fast you are is at the track

 
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^^
thank you for simplifying things for me Luver

 
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exactly. and trap speed is a good indication. so we technically made the same power 232whp on completely different dyno and you made 192wheel tq where i only made 183 wheel tq. i trapped at 104.99 and you trapped at 100.1. i obviously made more power as i should have considering i have cams and higher compression. the only point im trying to make is dont expect to be getting huge numbers from just bolting on a head. i/rh/e k-pro and your doing well though just ask hondaluver. (who has since taken out the motor cause he wants more power, lol...) good job hondaluver your car will be sick, when is it going to be done?