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Originally Posted by ncirom2003
god damn 280 on stock tranny and stock axles??? have you tried to really just step on it or really launch off a stop? whats happened?
anywyas thats realy impressive and im asking cus ur the first ive seen to make that on our tranny so i wanna know how it acts. (i believe andy has d16 tranny)
oh yeah, one more lol what clutch kit?
anywyas thats realy impressive and im asking cus ur the first ive seen to make that on our tranny so i wanna know how it acts. (i believe andy has d16 tranny)
oh yeah, one more lol what clutch kit?
I have ACT clutch stage 2 so it helps engageing a bit softer than 3.
I'm running a stock 04 tranny.
Dezod:
I have not got a chance to get a scanner and I'm out of town at work.
A friend will post it for me when I get back.
The fuel curves aren't very good at 280hp there seems to be a problem with the head proccesing all that air.
The head is PnP on stock cam.
We think that maybe a stage two cam is needed.
More twiking is needed and I ran out of $$
We lowerd the psi to 12 instead of 16.
But we didn't hit the 280 mark again.
The car runs better any way.
I'll like to post a good solid 300hp dyno sheet the next time.
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Originally Posted by Spoolin
????
http://www.dynapack.com/dynapack.html
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Originally Posted by Spoolin
yea, because if it is, those numbers are about 10-15% higher then what they would be if this was done on a normal dynojet...
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Originally Posted by andyman97
So if it was on a dynapack, the numbers are more like 240-245 whp, lol.
Your more likely in the 265 hp range to the ground..... it is unlikely you lose 35-40hp thru the wheels and tires. Congrats hector on VERY nice numbers, and one of the nicest 7thgen Ive ever seen! Never mind the nay sayers that can only congratulate them selfs Last edited by tfnaaf; Jan 17, 2006 at 08:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by HondaLuver
i admit, my car is not real... the dyno's are fake, the pictures are from another car! im sorry, its all a big lie!
Originally Posted by tfnaaf
I guess i don't see whats so funny.... Your more likely in the 265 hp range to the ground..... it is unlikely you lose 35-40hp thru the wheels and tires. Congrats hector on VERY nice numbers, and one of the nicest 7thgen Ive ever seen! Never mind the nay sayers that can only congratulate them selfs
Your more likely in the 265 hp range to the ground..... it is unlikely you lose 35-40hp thru the wheels and tires. Congrats hector on VERY nice numbers, and one of the nicest 7thgen Ive ever seen! Never mind the nay sayers that can only congratulate them selfs Joined: Nov 2003
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Originally Posted by andyman97
Why don't you quit being such a nutswinging ***? Seriously, I can't recall seeing a bigger nutswinger anywhere. You don't think there's a 15% increase in drivetrain loss? If you don't believe that, you need to do some reading on FWD dyno's before opening your big mouth. And, hmmm, what is 15% of 280? I think that'd be ballpark of 40 hp.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1326298
Cliffnotes:
- Chris stands correct at about a 15-20whp difference on his dyno vs Shaun's
(not sure if altitude is a factor here; Shaun is only 20ft above sea level.)
- Chris stands correct at about a 15-20whp difference on his dyno vs Shaun's
(not sure if altitude is a factor here; Shaun is only 20ft above sea level.)
From what i see its a 23 hp difference, guess i was off 8hp but im sure that is approx also being there is no reference to temp and humidity. You mention drivetrain loss, well drive train loss that MOST people refer to is approx 10-20%(dependant on vehicle) between the flywheel and the tire. This includes a lot of items ...not just the tire and wheel.
I didn't understand exactly what you meant as far as wheel/tire. I am also not sure of the difference between dynopack's and dynojet's. I've heard but never witnessed myself. I was just trying to illustrate a rough 15% drivetrain loss from the fly to the wheel on fwd dyno's.
All I was saying is that if the diff is approximately 23 whp, he stated 280, which translates to roughly 255 whp in reality. That's not a bad number at all. I am not saying it's weak or anything. I have seen that alot of work has gone into this motor and that's great. I just think that it's overkill to put all of that money into the motor and yield those types of results. I know Hector said he wasn't pushing it very hard right now for whatever his reasons are and that is cool. My personal opinion is that 255 whp for a fully built engine is weak, it has alot more capability.
And I know his car has been a long time coming, but it's his car and he can do what he wants to with it. I'm not trying to hate here, I just don't see the purpose of spending all of that money for nothing.
All I was saying is that if the diff is approximately 23 whp, he stated 280, which translates to roughly 255 whp in reality. That's not a bad number at all. I am not saying it's weak or anything. I have seen that alot of work has gone into this motor and that's great. I just think that it's overkill to put all of that money into the motor and yield those types of results. I know Hector said he wasn't pushing it very hard right now for whatever his reasons are and that is cool. My personal opinion is that 255 whp for a fully built engine is weak, it has alot more capability.
And I know his car has been a long time coming, but it's his car and he can do what he wants to with it. I'm not trying to hate here, I just don't see the purpose of spending all of that money for nothing.
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Rep Power: 327 I for one appreciate your appreciation of his efforts. But even at 250-260 whp in a civic id give my left nut for knowing it would be pretty indistructable as far as the engine internals. And to each their own....
Originally Posted by andyman97
I didn't understand exactly what you meant as far as wheel/tire. I am also not sure of the difference between dynopack's and dynojet's. I've heard but never witnessed myself. I was just trying to illustrate a rough 15% drivetrain loss from the fly to the wheel on fwd dyno's.
All I was saying is that if the diff is approximately 23 whp, he stated 280, which translates to roughly 255 whp in reality. That's not a bad number at all. I am not saying it's weak or anything. I have seen that alot of work has gone into this motor and that's great. I just think that it's overkill to put all of that money into the motor and yield those types of results. I know Hector said he wasn't pushing it very hard right now for whatever his reasons are and that is cool. My personal opinion is that 255 whp for a fully built engine is weak, it has alot more capability.
And I know his car has been a long time coming, but it's his car and he can do what he wants to with it. I'm not trying to hate here, I just don't see the purpose of spending all of that money for nothing.
All I was saying is that if the diff is approximately 23 whp, he stated 280, which translates to roughly 255 whp in reality. That's not a bad number at all. I am not saying it's weak or anything. I have seen that alot of work has gone into this motor and that's great. I just think that it's overkill to put all of that money into the motor and yield those types of results. I know Hector said he wasn't pushing it very hard right now for whatever his reasons are and that is cool. My personal opinion is that 255 whp for a fully built engine is weak, it has alot more capability.
And I know his car has been a long time coming, but it's his car and he can do what he wants to with it. I'm not trying to hate here, I just don't see the purpose of spending all of that money for nothing.
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Originally Posted by andyman97
I didn't understand exactly what you meant as far as wheel/tire. I am also not sure of the difference between dynopack's and dynojet's. I've heard but never witnessed myself. I was just trying to illustrate a rough 15% drivetrain loss from the fly to the wheel on fwd dyno's.
All I was saying is that if the diff is approximately 23 whp, he stated 280, which translates to roughly 255 whp in reality. That's not a bad number at all. I am not saying it's weak or anything. I have seen that alot of work has gone into this motor and that's great. I just think that it's overkill to put all of that money into the motor and yield those types of results. I know Hector said he wasn't pushing it very hard right now for whatever his reasons are and that is cool. My personal opinion is that 255 whp for a fully built engine is weak, it has alot more capability.
And I know his car has been a long time coming, but it's his car and he can do what he wants to with it. I'm not trying to hate here, I just don't see the purpose of spending all of that money for nothing.
All I was saying is that if the diff is approximately 23 whp, he stated 280, which translates to roughly 255 whp in reality. That's not a bad number at all. I am not saying it's weak or anything. I have seen that alot of work has gone into this motor and that's great. I just think that it's overkill to put all of that money into the motor and yield those types of results. I know Hector said he wasn't pushing it very hard right now for whatever his reasons are and that is cool. My personal opinion is that 255 whp for a fully built engine is weak, it has alot more capability.
And I know his car has been a long time coming, but it's his car and he can do what he wants to with it. I'm not trying to hate here, I just don't see the purpose of spending all of that money for nothing.
Is not the motor that's slowing me down.
I found the trouble (wrong map sensor) now I need to go back to dyno tune.
Is the drivetrain that I'm worried about now.
But I'm driving my car almost every day and nothing is wrong.
No headgasket leak
no motor break down.
And I'm not about pushing it and find out at what point the tranny or axels will break.
I do put my money where is needed and it shows on the car.
You've being wasting money on engine replacement, parts, time, labor inconvinience, and at the end of it all your car still looks the same and is more likely that the engine will brake again.
No offence andy but after 4 motors one will think you learn from your mistakes.
building a turbo car aspirating 2 or 3 times the HP on a stock engine.
Is like building a 10 story building on weak foundation.
Yo, and we used a Mustang dyno jet.
280 hp + to the wheels
We lowerd the Psi and runnung 265 safetly and efficienlty.
Runns like a factory turbo car.(and that's what I was aiming for)
Now, excuse me I'm going to drive my car to the car wash
Last edited by Supermex; Jan 18, 2006 at 10:59 AM.
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