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Old Feb 21, 2005
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Proof that you do not need a return line for FUEL! (actually you do!)

I'am taking pics of my car this commin wednesday or thursday to show every one the method, i used for fuel in my car......

1st. Stock Fuel Pump
2nd Custom Fuel Rail
3rd Fuel Pressure Regulator
4th RC 310's

Thats, all i used and it works more then perfect!...(more then enough fuel +(you can control it with the FPR) then what you will get with RSX injectors!. or that return line from street level Perfomance.>!
It comes out chaeper if you have connections with some one at a machine shop,

+ It looks way better too if you're going for looks under the hood as well...
the machine shop guy made 2 more other then mine, so he can sell to all of 7th gens that are still havin trbl with FUEL...
If intersted dont be afraid to PM me....

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What FPR are you using that works without a return line?
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this is interesting, id like more info on this too.
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Originally Posted by BudDyLeEBoOsteD
+ It looks way better too if you're going for looks under the hood as well...
the machine shop guy made 2 more other then mine, so he can sell to all of 7th gens that are still havin trbl with FUEL...
If intersted dont be afraid to PM me....
I don't know, braided stainless and if you're a baller aeroquip startlite hose looks pretty badass, IMO.
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Awsome aint it!... whomever sayd that you had to use a return line
Its B.S..... Also just like 4dricivic2k1 sayd..
I have that braided Stainless steel lines.. (the decorate your car Beutifully)
The FPR.. is the one that replaces the stock on that you have on your stock Fuel Rail. and it has a output hose that go's into the new rail, and at the end of the rail, it has another hole (that works similiar to a return line) but it does not go back into the tank it go's back into the input of the FPR *for all that extra fuel to circulate again*....
It also. has a lil Vacuum input that you can hook up that way it reads boost, and it go's up at you spool up.....
*my bad if i confused any of you* but i am in a bit of a rush!...
any how give him a call.....
Ill post pics up in here so yall can c it!.....

I hope i helped any of yall that are going trough some **** that i went trough!...
lol ...


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Interesting. I've always thought you need a return line to run an FPR.
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Uh, not to burst your bubble, but the FPR is located in the fuel tank. That is a pulsation damper on the rail, not the fuel pressure regulator.



I'm a big fan of this hose.
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Originally Posted by 4drcivic2k1
Uh, not to burst your bubble, but the FPR is located in the fuel tank. That is a pulsation damper on the rail, not the fuel pressure regulator.



I'm a big fan of this hose.
Do you guys thinks possible to remove the fpr from the fueltank and put an adjustable near the motor? Like the older civics?
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i cant wait to see this set up!
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Originally Posted by 4drcivic2k1
Uh, not to burst your bubble, but the FPR is located in the fuel tank. That is a pulsation damper on the rail, not the fuel pressure regulator.


this is why i CANT WAIT to see this set-up
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Originally Posted by BudDyLeEBoOsteD
Awsome aint it!... whomever sayd that you had to use a return line
Its B.S..... Also just like 4dricivic2k1 sayd..
The FPR.. is the one that replaces the stock on that you have on your stock Fuel Rail. and it has a output hose that go's into the new rail, and at the end of the rail, it has another hole (that works similiar to a return line) but it does not go back into the tank it go's back into the input of the FPR *for all that extra fuel to circulate again*....
It also. has a lil Vacuum input that you can hook up that way it reads boost, and it go's up at you spool up.....
*my bad if i confused any of you* but i am in a bit of a rush!...
any how give him a call.....
Ill post pics up in here so yall can c it!.....

I hope i helped any of yall that are going trough some **** that i went trough!...
lol ...
Ok - I want to set the record straight on here before MORE misinformation gets passed around. These are the facts:

1. The stock FPR on our car is located in the tank, on the pump outlet - not on the rail. Adding an FPR to the rail without replacing or removing the one in the tank isn't going to do squat for your fuel pressure (unless you have an inline pump to boost it) - its ALWAYS going to be at 43 PSI, which is regulated in the TANK.

2. The stock pump IS NOT A HIGH PRESSURE / HIGH OUTPUT PUMP, nor is it meant to be. What does this mean? It means that it wasn't designed for boost. Will it work? MAYBE - for a short period of time, than it will BURN OUT. Why? Because you are stressing the bejesus out of it BY NOT RUNNING A RETURN LINE. Also - since it is not a high output pump, there is not way to run more than 5 PSI from it anyhow, even if you figured out how to fix the pressure part.

3: Since when does 310ccs > 330ccs? Your logic ain't right here mario....From a simple economic standpoint RSX injectors are MORE than enough, cheaper, and MUCH easier to use than RC injectors. RC injectors require shaving of the TPS to fit + spacers + clips to be wired in. RSX injectors are drop in and go, and bigger than 310cc's.

Please don't spread misinformation in this forum - you're ghetto rigged set up may work for you for a week, or a month - all I know is you are going to blow your motor - and it will be spectacular.

Enjoy...

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Ok - I want to set the record straight on here before MORE misinformation gets passed around. These are the facts:


Please don't spread misinformation in this forum - you're ghetto rigged set up may work for you for a week, or a month - all I know is you are going to blow your motor - and it will be spectacular.

Enjoy...

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Originally Posted by BudDyLeEBoOsteD
Awsome aint it!... whomever sayd that you had to use a return line
Its B.S.....

That person was me.......remember you im'ed me and i explained the whole thing to you. I guess you didn't take my advice.
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so basically guys what you are saying is this, if you boost you can either buy a fuel system from somebody or you can drop in rsx-s injectors and control them by vafcII or e-manage right? but how much boost can rsx-s injectors with vafcII or e-manage be enough for
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Originally Posted by 02boostlessCIV
so basically guys what you are saying is this, if you boost you can either buy a fuel system from somebody or you can drop in rsx-s injectors and control them by vafcII or e-manage right? but how much boost can rsx-s injectors with vafcII or e-manage be enough for
.... i don't think u can run more than 5lb of boost with the stock pump like someone stated above, even if u got vafc2 and rsx injectors.
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this is funny. really funny. have a nice day
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Originally Posted by 02boostlessCIV
so basically guys what you are saying is this, if you boost you can either buy a fuel system from somebody or you can drop in rsx-s injectors and control them by vafcII or e-manage right? but how much boost can rsx-s injectors with vafcII or e-manage be enough for
You still need some way to boost the fuel pressure, to keep the pressure differential over the injectors the same. The aeromotive digital FMU works well for this, as well as with a high pressure walbro or similar in the tank(1:1, not like a normal FMU, although it can act as one). The pressure HAS to rise 1:1 with boost or you will have problems tuning the motor, and will run up the injector duty cycle far to high to early.
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I dont understand how you people say it doesnt work!.. lol
I am running 7 1/2 8psi's. Real Hard and its runnin perfect... I think i probably explained it wrong somewhere!. *another thing is*, I dont understand how people here say that I am going to blow my engine up! haha.. any how, dont you think that all the mechanics I went to would've sayd something like (that just would'nt work )...
But hey, If ppl wanna hate late them hate!... Cuz i dont give a f**** haha.
If an Engine blows heyyyyyyyy, thats time for a new car (good times). Its all good.. Ill go to the dealership, and get that new 05 convertible mustang. V8's rock!
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a few of these guys have been on this board researching turbo kits and feul solutions for the D17 for like almost 2 yaers.

Be more informative with your post, supply pictures and charts. Ask your mechanic to give you in full detail exactly what your setup is and why it works.
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True that....
Do you knw lots about Turbo's?
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Originally Posted by BudDyLeEBoOsteD
True that....
Do you knw lots about Turbo's?
do you?
All i know is that you cant spell or type grammatically correct.
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do you?
All i know is that you cant spell or type grammatically correct.

Your so funny... I mean.., Seriously what do you get out of saying that?
Do you get your 5 minutes of fame or what... ? I mean whats the point in going in some ones forum and answerin some stupid $hit like that!...

I always sayd, people who try and do jokes like that on these forums, would never in there life say it to some ones face,
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Any how... I have the holes on each side of the Fuel Rail? on the last hole (right) Should I Run a from IT to a T line that go's into the FPR and another one into the tank?
I have a Walbro 255 lph sittin in the house..!? All I wuld have to get is Fuel Hose that I would run to the back?

If I did that would i be strait?
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Originally Posted by BudDyLeEBoOsteD
Any how... I have the holes on each side of the Fuel Rail? on the last hole (right) Should I Run a from IT to a T line that go's into the FPR and another one into the tank?
I have a Walbro 255 lph sittin in the house..!? All I wuld have to get is Fuel Hose that I would run to the back?

If I did that would i be strait?

Wtf?

I know enough about turbos too btw.
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understand how people here say that I am going to blow my engine up! haha.. any how, dont you think that all the mechanics I went to would've sayd something like (that just would'nt work )...
Then they don't know much about tuning - if anything. Ever hear of retarding your ignition timing?? Fuel only helps so much, and if you plan on half assing it with the SAFC, than you WILL blow your motor - plain and simple.

IDK - this sounds like an april fools post or something....Sorry if it isn't, but none of this makes any sense, and is going to confuse people more (leading to more blown 7th gen's - and not in the boosted sense!). Unless you have photos of your setup, I would either delete or lock this post if I was a mod.
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Originally Posted by BudDyLeEBoOsteD
I am running 7 1/2 8psi's. Real Hard and its runnin perfect...

how do you know this ....do you have a wideband, do you check your plugs ???
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
how do you know this ....do you have a wideband, do you check your plugs ???

I already spoke to yall's friend ROSS, on the phone. I told him that I am going to bring in pics! for proof!>.. I am gonna try to get the Video in the Dyno as well... To show yall!
I am not tellin any one to follow my lead!... *Opto*....
I dont think any one should tell any one how to run there car, as long as it go's and its working....... It doesnt really matter how !

I think some people take this website a bit to serious!.....



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