Good News from Cybernation!
Good News from Cybernation! In a reply to our numerous post on the cybernation forum we have made progress. We now have our own 7thgen civic sub forum on the site. They have also said that they will be making a Guardian E.I system for the EM2.they have asked me if i was up for using my car as a test vehicle.(not sure if it's a joke or not?) 
hope not. But thanks to everyone who jumped on their forum and backed me up. we made a big difference.
For all you who want to get some more progress from them for our Application. Hit up their forum and jump on the "what about the EM2?" Thread.
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Question: What is Guardian E.I.?
Answer: Let us revisit what Guardian is and why the concept. We have proven that we can post huge horsepower numbers and boost 40 psi at will. A major concern most people usually have when considering boost is safety. I have been asked many times “will my car be safe with a turbo”, “can I run 300 to 400+whp with no problems”. I usually explain that is it not the turbo that creates a problem but the amount of horsepower. With more power comes more responsibility and tuning becomes more critical. Guardian is our answer to the safety question. Over the past few years we have had the opportunity to work with quite a few turbo systems. In that time I have seen countless B-Series meltdowns from running lean. I have seen professional racers running sophisticated engine management systems toasted multiple engines on dyno pulls and many others fall at the track. The question has always been asked why isn’t there something to stop the cars from blowing up? Nearly 100 percent of all failed forced induction system that I have seen were due to running lean conditions.
Why isn’t there something to help? The question has been answered, Guardian EI (Embedded Intelligence). Imagine an intelligent system that can tune itself, continuously learning and adjusting on the fly. You can run all-motor with 550cc injectors, run 10psi at 300whp and then jump to 25psi 400+whp, go from cold weather to hot weather, from high attitude to low altitude and always be perfectly tuned putting out peak horsepower at a safe air fuel ratio even at light throttle. Imagine built in protection modes that will not allow you to boost the car lean or boost an overheated engine. Guardian already incorporates these features among many. It will probably take a catastrophic mechanical failure to take a turbo car down running Guardian. Guardian is capable of processing millions of instructions per second. Its catches a running lean condition much faster than your brain could process it and a full 2 seconds faster than a Dyno.
A few improvements and advantages with the new Guardian system.
1. Lower turbo kit pricing
2. Lower installation cost
3. No tuning cost (tuning will not be necessary use the dyno to measure hp output only. Once we have installed and configured the g-chip Guardian will be able to tell your hp and tq on the fly.)
4. Improved cursing range with better gas mileage.
5. Reduced tech support due to Guardian’s data logging capabilities. Just log and email us the file we can play it back with the GDN viewer as if we were driving the your car.
6. Easy to use, just plug and play.
7. Improved gear shifting due to lower rpm drop between shifts. WOT shifting made easy.
8. Software upgradeable just reflash to obtain new features or improvements as development will be continuous. They are still many features not mentioned that will be added over the coming months.
< Message edited by Boost Junkie -- 5/15/2004 7:29:32 PM >
hope not. But thanks to everyone who jumped on their forum and backed me up. we made a big difference.For all you who want to get some more progress from them for our Application. Hit up their forum and jump on the "what about the EM2?" Thread.
www.cybernationmotorsports.com
Question: What is Guardian E.I.?
Answer: Let us revisit what Guardian is and why the concept. We have proven that we can post huge horsepower numbers and boost 40 psi at will. A major concern most people usually have when considering boost is safety. I have been asked many times “will my car be safe with a turbo”, “can I run 300 to 400+whp with no problems”. I usually explain that is it not the turbo that creates a problem but the amount of horsepower. With more power comes more responsibility and tuning becomes more critical. Guardian is our answer to the safety question. Over the past few years we have had the opportunity to work with quite a few turbo systems. In that time I have seen countless B-Series meltdowns from running lean. I have seen professional racers running sophisticated engine management systems toasted multiple engines on dyno pulls and many others fall at the track. The question has always been asked why isn’t there something to stop the cars from blowing up? Nearly 100 percent of all failed forced induction system that I have seen were due to running lean conditions.
Why isn’t there something to help? The question has been answered, Guardian EI (Embedded Intelligence). Imagine an intelligent system that can tune itself, continuously learning and adjusting on the fly. You can run all-motor with 550cc injectors, run 10psi at 300whp and then jump to 25psi 400+whp, go from cold weather to hot weather, from high attitude to low altitude and always be perfectly tuned putting out peak horsepower at a safe air fuel ratio even at light throttle. Imagine built in protection modes that will not allow you to boost the car lean or boost an overheated engine. Guardian already incorporates these features among many. It will probably take a catastrophic mechanical failure to take a turbo car down running Guardian. Guardian is capable of processing millions of instructions per second. Its catches a running lean condition much faster than your brain could process it and a full 2 seconds faster than a Dyno.
A few improvements and advantages with the new Guardian system.
1. Lower turbo kit pricing
2. Lower installation cost
3. No tuning cost (tuning will not be necessary use the dyno to measure hp output only. Once we have installed and configured the g-chip Guardian will be able to tell your hp and tq on the fly.)
4. Improved cursing range with better gas mileage.
5. Reduced tech support due to Guardian’s data logging capabilities. Just log and email us the file we can play it back with the GDN viewer as if we were driving the your car.
6. Easy to use, just plug and play.
7. Improved gear shifting due to lower rpm drop between shifts. WOT shifting made easy.
8. Software upgradeable just reflash to obtain new features or improvements as development will be continuous. They are still many features not mentioned that will be added over the coming months.
< Message edited by Boost Junkie -- 5/15/2004 7:29:32 PM >
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just thought i'd say that CyberNation did a pretty crappy job with DC5@EM2's car. I'll tell him to get in on this, but his turbo blew not long after he got the car back. Turns out they put a different turbo in his car then they told him they did. He was overboosting the turbo without knowing it. Also he told me their piggy-back for the ECU was garbage too. So thanks to CN he bought a new turbo and a k-pro. Just a thought.
Like i said i'll try to get him to chime in.
Like i said i'll try to get him to chime in.
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Rep Power: 0 The fmu/inline fuel pump/safc/black magic setup is not the way to turbo a car, especially around 25 psi. Its also messed up that they gave him a smaller turbo then the 60-1. I'm upgrading my car also. The only thing left from the old cybernation setup is: intercooler, piping, pistons, rods and bov. I hope the guardian turns out good with all the hype its getting. But for k-series owners, "K-PRO is the only way to go"(my new slogan) with engine management.
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Rep Power: 0 yeah start posting prices if thats cool, if not than pm those who ask......and like i said on CN i'm really interested in what they have to offer and i wanted to thank hyaboosted once again for making this option available for the rest of us who cant jump into the SF ordeal and dont want to go w/ a t25.....so thanks again and now the only thing i can ask and hope for is results.......
^seems like you know some stuff about it...care to share. I read above, but is this the only think we will need to tune the fuel, or will we need injectors, pumps regulators return lines etc...
with the Guardian you won;t have to worry about installing your own turbo kit and having to have it flat beded to a shop to pay 125 per hour for dyno tunning. the Guardian tunes itself. If there is a boost leak or spike it will cut power to the engine and it will feel like you put it in neutral. it will slowdown and come to a controlled stop before you do serios engine damage. in one simple case a DC5 tester had his car shut down on the highway and when he checked to see why it was because he had been riding the fuel light too long and for the amount of boost he was running it was not sufficent fuel to support it. i would have never thought that having low fuel would hurt. but that saved one motor.
come on guys heres our chance to get some serious help for our D17. Jump on the cybernation forum and flood that thread. their checking it all the time and respond quickly. I'm ready to drop my car off as soon as tommorow or thusday if necessary. Who's backin me up here?
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Just a question about this system... does it control ignition timing as well? Because controlling fuel is not 100% of tuning, and the wrong ignition timing for a boost level/running condition can blow a motor just as fast as a lean condition.
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Sorry I didnt post this sooner but I got back from Cybernation last nite and had them take a look at everything. I was originally there to get a price on their turbo kit as I was thinking about trading in the Vic for an RSX-S. Anyways, one of the guys asked If I was hyaboosta. I replied no but that I did post on their board as Blacksivic16.
Well bottom line is, he tried to test fit a 60-1 turbo in the car and with a lower turbo manifold it would fit. The only problem he said would be to find the engine's braking point.It would take a day to have a jig set up for a prototype turbo manifold to be set up and that they would have to get creative with the intercooler piping, but it is possible to get everything done right. Boost Junkie said he'll keep us updated. Right now they are finishing up on Guardian and a few other little projects but he'll let us know when he can start the development.If anybody in the area with a manual transmission is willing to let them use their car for prototyping pm cybernation on their website. I can's use my car because its an auto.Worse case scenario, they said, if the kit becomes too much of a hassle, they will develop the necessary electronics for us,i.e. Guardian E.I.
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Sorry I didnt post this sooner but I got back from Cybernation last nite and had them take a look at everything. I was originally there to get a price on their turbo kit as I was thinking about trading in the Vic for an RSX-S. Anyways, one of the guys asked If I was hyaboosta. I replied no but that I did post on their board as Blacksivic16.
Well bottom line is, he tried to test fit a 60-1 turbo in the car and with a lower turbo manifold it would fit. The only problem he said would be to find the engine's braking point.It would take a day to have a jig set up for a prototype turbo manifold to be set up and that they would have to get creative with the intercooler piping, but it is possible to get everything done right. Boost Junkie said he'll keep us updated. Right now they are finishing up on Guardian and a few other little projects but he'll let us know when he can start the development.If anybody in the area with a manual transmission is willing to let them use their car for prototyping pm cybernation on their website. I can's use my car because its an auto.Worse case scenario, they said, if the kit becomes too much of a hassle, they will develop the necessary electronics for us,i.e. Guardian E.I.
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I told them that they can have my car for the prototype but they are finishing up the work on guardian and are very busy now. And im still waiting on an answer on the price involved if any? It's my daily driver, but if i have to take the bus for a while i'll be the happiest **** on the bus. Lets get on that board guys. The more we post the faster we'll get our kit.
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Man, screw that crap about having to have a manual transmission. That shouldn't have anything to do with getting a turbo. Boo on them.
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Originally Posted by SilverSivic02
Hey guys,
Sorry I didnt post this sooner but I got back from Cybernation last nite and had them take a look at everything. I was originally there to get a price on their turbo kit as I was thinking about trading in the Vic for an RSX-S. Anyways, one of the guys asked If I was hyaboosta. I replied no but that I did post on their board as Blacksivic16.
Well bottom line is, he tried to test fit a 60-1 turbo in the car and with a lower turbo manifold it would fit. The only problem he said would be to find the engine's braking point.It would take a day to have a jig set up for a prototype turbo manifold to be set up and that they would have to get creative with the intercooler piping, but it is possible to get everything done right. Boost Junkie said he'll keep us updated. Right now they are finishing up on Guardian and a few other little projects but he'll let us know when he can start the development.If anybody in the area with a manual transmission is willing to let them use their car for prototyping pm cybernation on their website. I can's use my car because its an auto.Worse case scenario, they said, if the kit becomes too much of a hassle, they will develop the necessary electronics for us,i.e. Guardian E.I.
Later-Rick
Sorry I didnt post this sooner but I got back from Cybernation last nite and had them take a look at everything. I was originally there to get a price on their turbo kit as I was thinking about trading in the Vic for an RSX-S. Anyways, one of the guys asked If I was hyaboosta. I replied no but that I did post on their board as Blacksivic16.
Well bottom line is, he tried to test fit a 60-1 turbo in the car and with a lower turbo manifold it would fit. The only problem he said would be to find the engine's braking point.It would take a day to have a jig set up for a prototype turbo manifold to be set up and that they would have to get creative with the intercooler piping, but it is possible to get everything done right. Boost Junkie said he'll keep us updated. Right now they are finishing up on Guardian and a few other little projects but he'll let us know when he can start the development.If anybody in the area with a manual transmission is willing to let them use their car for prototyping pm cybernation on their website. I can's use my car because its an auto.Worse case scenario, they said, if the kit becomes too much of a hassle, they will develop the necessary electronics for us,i.e. Guardian E.I.
Later-Rick
60-1 turbo? Don't you think thats alittle too big for the D17. It wont' spool till 4000 or even 4500 rpms. Then you have like 2000rpms of boost. Plus you wouldn't be able to boost higher that 5psi with that big of a turbo. Maybe it will work. Guess we'll just have to find out. Hopefully no one here will be the first to find the limit with te CN kit and blow up their motor.
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Rep Power: 374 ^^^^^^^Well thats understandable, but not many people here want to drop $6K and up in motor work. Most of everyone that wants a turbo just get it for alittle more power. So I don't see why they are bothering with a 60-1 turbo right now. Maybe after they get a basic kit out and work on R&D with the D17 ECU and Hondata. Cause honestly, even if you have a built motor a 60-1 turbo is pointless on a motor that has a redline of 6800 rpms. Yeah you could make 300whp with that turbo at 12 psi, but why bother when you can only have it for 2500 rpms. and its going to go so fast through the rpms that you are going to be bouncing off the revlimiter all the time. What a waste. Unless CN works with Hondata and get a reflash made to raise the redline to 8K its not worth even looking at a 60-1 turbo.
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Rep Power: 0 Yes, they were just messing around with a 60-1. It was just to see how much space they had to play one. Everyone calm down, they did say that they would probably have to use a smaller turbo.
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Originally Posted by Jodster
Unless CN works with Hondata and get a reflash made to raise the redline to 8K its not worth even looking at a 60-1 turbo.
"We are not in development and do not plan to develop anything for the D17 motor or ECU anytime in the next 5 years, without a significant increase in demand. Other vehicles such as the RSX and Civic SI show greater demand and potential so we have focused all research and development efforts to those vehicles."
AEM has said that the EMS for our cars will be out by the end of this year so you could use that for better management... until then we're stuck with things like the E-Manage, AFC hacks, or additional injector systems.
