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Old Nov 5, 2003
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blowing up engine

It seems there are more and more people messing up their motors with the SF turbo kit, just wondering what was happening, if these people could reply and give some details!

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huh? never heard of anyone blowing their engine w. the SF turbo yet.
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i never heard of this either.......what are u talking about ? I have heard nothing but good about the SF kit.
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robbusaf, andyman, and didnt catalyst have something go wrong
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trust me im not dissing SF there the best thing that has ever happend to 7thgen civics, and i am purchasing a kit soon, i just would like to know of all the problems people have had so i can prevent something happening to me
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the only problem i can think of is running too lean
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but that is only once in a while
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since you are not trying to diss SF then can you please rename your post so people dont get pissed off or something.. thanks.
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I'm sure if you boost over 9 and don't have a block guard or lower compression pistions...something has gotta pop
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Originally posted by CivicRacer5
robbusaf, andyman, and didnt catalyst have something go wrong
What happened to their engines wasn't the fault of the SF turbo system. It was their own fault for boosting too much power. SF can't be held responsible for the actions of the turbo owner. It's not like a part on the SF turbo broke or something. The turbo owners willingly turned up the boost and broke their own $hit.
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Originally posted by CivicRacer5
robbusaf, andyman, and didnt catalyst have something go wrong
RoBBUsaF hit a spike boost of 18psi due to his ghetto rigged boost controller. andyman97 had some loose connections I think. And Catalyst designs and builds the parts. None of it is due to the SF kit at all. Its all due to mistakes and finding the limits of the motor.
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alright thanks for clearing everything up.
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name changed so no one gets pissed
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Its all about tuning.....if your car isn't tuned its going to pop. If you read up on the physics of boosting you'll see that the higher you boost the further along the ECU tries to advance the timing. To compensate SF has alcohol injection. Its sort of a cheap (but effective) way to fix the problem. The real way to fix it would be to tune with an aftermarket ECU such as the E-manage or EMS - but those are expensive.

You also have to remember that SF's kit was pretty much designed around cat's car - which means that it was tuned for cat's car. The fuel system is fairly generic, which means that it will work well at mid to low boost, but when you start pushing boost you'll need to fine tune it to prevent from running lean, etc.....

So, that is pretty much the reason people are blowing **** up - they're pushing things too much.

Tune it properly to run at a decent boost level and you (in theory) shouldn't have any problems....
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The egt probe was never hooked up so after the install it was tucked away behind the battery which to no surprise came loose and caught the radiator fan, overheating the engine and blowing a headgasket.

I was running too rich in the higher rpms. It wasn't "too much boost, it was a matter of being careless. I will be swapping in a slightly used engine with only 14k miles on it that I paid 500 shipped for and I'll be doing that this weekend.

As far as SF goes, I don't blame those guys, it could have happened to anyone, it was just a human error and it's all good. Mike has done nothing but try to help me out since I've had issues.
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ok, so the alcohol injection doesnt do much? cause thats whats its for ryt? to not go lean at 9-11 psi?
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As far as SF goes, I don't blame those guys, it could have happened to anyone, it was just a human error and it's all good. Mike has done nothing but try to help me out since I've had issues.
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so with blockguards pistons and rods, what the most anyone cranked up the boost to and had succesful runs at the track or street, and was able to drive it home, then to the store and back the next day?
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I don't think there is anyone that has fully built the bottom end on a d17 yet is the thing.
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im still on BONE stock motor... with 9psi daily driven... made about 15 total runs at the track so far... NO problems other than my own dumb move with the map sensor valve... i put it in wrong at the start.. i HATE to see people doubting and downing on this kit!!!! this is THE BEST kit out there for our cars, possibly the best SOHC kit ever made for a honda! just look at the power numbers and the track times... SF is GOD.. to hell with the haters..

p.s. ive seen the TD kit in person.,.,. if ANYONE doubts SF quality, look at that kit.. thats what a ghetto kit looks like ... SF = VERY PREOFESSIONAL, VERY CLEEEEEEEAN, as long as i do the install.. LMAO
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The highest boost is like 9-11 psi.
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im still on BONE stock motor... with 9psi daily driven... made about 15 total runs at the track so far... NO problems other than my own dumb move with the map sensor valve... i put it in wrong at the start.. i HATE to see people doubting and downing on this kit!!!! this is THE BEST kit out there for our cars, possibly the best SOHC kit ever made for a honda! just look at the power numbers and the track times... SF is GOD.. to hell with the haters..

p.s. ive seen the TD kit in person.,.,. if ANYONE doubts SF quality, look at that kit.. thats what a ghetto kit looks like ... SF = VERY PREOFESSIONAL, VERY CLEEEEEEEAN, as long as i do the install.. LMAO
even tho i have never seen this kit in person, or been in a car that is turbo, i still belive it! I dont know why...but 13's is an acomplishment that is hard to belive, but has been done! Eveyone i tell about the kit and what numbers it puts dont tell me its bullshit....we need a solid video to proove them wrong. Cant wait for my kit!!
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hey man im not hating on the SF kit, im buying the thing for god sakes i was just simply asking what had gone wrong with the peoples motors, so i wouldnt make the same mistake
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Andyman.....what is the egt probe?

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egt = exhaust gas temperature.. measures just what it says.. LOL... i will get video.. but i cant cause i have no digi cam.. maybe if i can find someone.. or bring my guy to track with me.. it will be all good.. but TRUST m,e... CONSISTENT high 13s.... and with a good 60' tim e (better tires).. i would be around 13.5
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The boost isnt what destroys your engine. It is the tuning. I put some good gas in, and had a new prototype of the alcohol injection in it. I ran 18 psi and lived to tell. I knew that was way beyond the limits of the motor, but i did it on accident. I was running 15 psi with that alcohol injection setup. But that isnt the normal one, it is way expensive, and is not available to the general public because it is too much of a pain for us to make.
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8psi daily, 184hp, 189torque and as of last night, got up to 143mph- running almost dead even with my husband in his supercharged v6 accord. I have NO complaints with this kit! I think when youigher then you ned to work on the engine. GREAT KIT!!!
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it's not the SF kit people have problems with, you take a risk by puting a turbo on an NA motor no matter what
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