Boosting D17....waste of time ?
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Boosting D17....waste of time ? I am seriously contemplating on ordering the SF turbo kit and i have a few friends telling me that it is a waste of money and time boosting a SOHC. They have civics with B16's and B18's and they feel as though it would be best to swap a K20. Now, i know that this would be better than turbo, but i don't have the money to do the swap. Our motors were made to get us to point A to B and not intended for performance, that is why they are made so cheap (plastic intake manifold). But i belive that with a turbo and building up the motor, that the D17 will put up some good #'s. Do u guys think that boosting the D17 is a waste of time ?
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Rep Power: 351 wow no one has answerd this >?< yet so ill trow in my .02 in here. umm no its not, tell ur freind's to come in here and do a nice lil search to see that people with stock internals are running 13 sec's in there turbo's. or takeing out type-s among other car's. so to answer ur question no it's not a waist of time i mean people that do a b series swap in there cars bearly see 14's at the begining. they have to build the motor up even more to see 13's. so to see 13's in a d17 all u have to do is trow a SF turbo kit and run 6-8psi **** then im in!
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Rep Power: 0 hmmm thats y i didnt bother with goin turbo on the civic, i knew that if i did spend the money on the turbo i could have and better car so instead i got a bigger and more powerful car. now if i wanted to i can boost bigger and better car. (when and if i save up some major skrilla!)
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Rep Power: 0 Boosting is an alternative to Natually Aspired engines. Since our engines don't produce much power with simple n/a upgrades many members perfer turbo. Boost produces some nice numbers with not many parts to change.
Since our cars are SOHC they cannot take as much pressure as a B16, B18, or K20. Depending on how you drive you car is where you base your opinion, wheather to get boost or go n/a. Although boost is reletively inexpensive, it requires more maintnance than a n/a engine. So if you beat on your car while boosting there is a chance of it breaking. Yet our cars are still new not many brake.
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Since our cars are SOHC they cannot take as much pressure as a B16, B18, or K20. Depending on how you drive you car is where you base your opinion, wheather to get boost or go n/a. Although boost is reletively inexpensive, it requires more maintnance than a n/a engine. So if you beat on your car while boosting there is a chance of it breaking. Yet our cars are still new not many brake.
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i would agree that a turbo is prolly the cheapest solution for our cars. They throw down some serious numbers, without a large cost. A swap would be nice, cuz the base would be better, but as for someone looking for just enough power to smoke many unsuspecting victims is good enough for me.
i beg to differ. My buddy had an 01 ITR and with headwork like pnp head, skunk2 stage 2 cams, I/E/H is running 14.3's.
Also to state my opinion everyone that has done the K20 swap can't get traction and so the # of horses it produces is completely different than how much they can actually produce to the ground. So yes turbo is alot better because you can run 7-8psi stock and run 13's and then build up the motor to push more psi and you will leave everyone in the dust.
Also to state my opinion everyone that has done the K20 swap can't get traction and so the # of horses it produces is completely different than how much they can actually produce to the ground. So yes turbo is alot better because you can run 7-8psi stock and run 13's and then build up the motor to push more psi and you will leave everyone in the dust.
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^^^ so you're saying that ITR with those mods would loose to a turbo d17?? If so that is really impressive, or the guy cant drive...thos are suprising numbers for that car. I always though it was much faster.
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Originally posted by civic01vtec
Do u guys think that boosting the D17 is a waste of time ?
Do u guys think that boosting the D17 is a waste of time ?
are you kidding me!?!?! did you some how missed all the posts catalyst made?? how he runs 13's! on a all stock internal d17!! our cars may not respond well to bolt ons but its it responds were it counts....with turbo. take a ride in a boosted 7th gen like i did, i'm am 99% sure you kick the *** off a RSX when running only 4psi. "is it a waste of time?", man you cant let your dumb little buddies fill your head with that nonsense, they dont know any better! 
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Rep Power: 0 boost boost boost... and if you doubt the turbo cars.. ive beaten an evo.. wrx with work, ttypeR, 6thgen hatch with tyer swap, rx7 turbo II with BIG work, 00 cobra, LOTS of stuff... STOCK motor... and with my 19s on...
Ok, it isn't a waste of time. Any engine can be fast, sohc or dohc, that has no bearing on how much boost you can run whatsoever. Seriously guys, make sure you understand what you're saying before you post it. Now as far as an ITR or a CTR, with bolt ons, how is a 1.8 going to beat a boosted 1.7, even with an extra cam? Highly unlikely just from bolt ons.
I know catalyst has some big plans for his car, can't really say anything but I also have plans for my car and I plan to be in the 11s at the track next spring. The thing to remember is, all internal combustion engines work basically the same. The higher the displacement, the more horsepower. If you're boosting, you're basically simulating a higher displacement engine by allowing more fuel and air into the cylinders causing a more powerful combustion and that is pretty much the basics of it. Obviously there are alot of other factors to consider such as restriction on the intake and exhaust as well as port size on the head, etc. The list goes on for what you can do to improve performance. So keep an open mind, all engines have some potential.
I know catalyst has some big plans for his car, can't really say anything but I also have plans for my car and I plan to be in the 11s at the track next spring. The thing to remember is, all internal combustion engines work basically the same. The higher the displacement, the more horsepower. If you're boosting, you're basically simulating a higher displacement engine by allowing more fuel and air into the cylinders causing a more powerful combustion and that is pretty much the basics of it. Obviously there are alot of other factors to consider such as restriction on the intake and exhaust as well as port size on the head, etc. The list goes on for what you can do to improve performance. So keep an open mind, all engines have some potential.
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11 psi on a 7th gen is about equal to a integra type R with all the bolt ons.
11 psi on a 7th gen is about equal to a integra type R with all the bolt ons.
no way... our cars at 11psi will own a type R with "bolt ons"
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Rep Power: 0 this dude in new orleans has a 4 dr civic, with the b18c5 and every part you can think of and turbo. i think 10 or 11 pounds and he's running 12.2 with full interior. but he just got a new comp and engine work so he should be in the 11's. thats for the integra type r post
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i beg to differ. My buddy had an 01 ITR and with headwork like pnp head, skunk2 stage 2 cams, I/E/H is running 14.3's.
i beg to differ. My buddy had an 01 ITR and with headwork like pnp head, skunk2 stage 2 cams, I/E/H is running 14.3's.
but back on topic..... so boosting a 7th gen is well worth it, and if ur friend's dont think so bring them on here will change ther minds
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n/a is in no forced induction
n/a is in no forced induction
No man this guy raps out 2nd gear at 12,500 RPM. He is one of the best drivers i know in Southern Oregon. See here is what gets alot of people. Estimated time of a stock Type R is 14.5's but has anyone actually seen a stock type r do this in the 1/4 mile? Also where I live could also be a factor.
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this dude in new orleans has a 4 dr civic, with the b18c5 and every part you can think of and turbo. i think 10 or 11 pounds and he's running 12.2 with full interior. but he just got a new comp and engine work so he should be in the 11's. thats for the integra type r post
this dude in new orleans has a 4 dr civic, with the b18c5 and every part you can think of and turbo. i think 10 or 11 pounds and he's running 12.2 with full interior. but he just got a new comp and engine work so he should be in the 11's. thats for the integra type r post
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What does naturally aspired mean? I thought Aspire was some slow Ford.
Catalyst? Anyone?
What does naturally aspired mean? I thought Aspire was some slow Ford.
Catalyst? Anyone?
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no way... our cars at 11psi will own a type R with "bolt ons"
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no way... our cars at 11psi will own a type R with "bolt ons"
Originally posted by sovereign82
Are there enough people in Oregon to break it into regions?
Are there enough people in Oregon to break it into regions?
If you are applying that comment to the state here it is broken down.
Southern Oregon= Ashland to Roseburg
Northern Oregon= Eugene to Portland
I would have to say NO there is not enough people but it is easier(sp?) for people to understand without having to pinpoint the location.
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Ive seen type Rs run low 13s with just bolt ons so whats all the BS about. Did i affend you.
Ive seen type Rs run low 13s with just bolt ons so whats all the BS about. Did i affend you.
