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What the hell? I have a T3/T04B. And Turbonetics upgraded my wheels and ****. I still start spooling around 2000-2500. And no... I'm not lying. I can post graphs to prove it from the E-manage.

 
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to make an evo 12 sec car, you only need 2k worth of upgrades.

 
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to make an SRT4 a 12 sec car, all you need is a $3 gang T from walmart and about $10 in C12

Those cars are awesome!

 
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ok I dont think you people understand all of the things c2i0v0i1c bought. His bill was so high because he purchased Two turbos, another engine,pistons,injectors,E-manage,and a return line. I know all of you say well you can get those results with the SF with half the money, but he didnt just buy a kit he bought 10x more. Also I bet that his car is more reliable at 10+ psi then the SF. Im not in any way trashing SF's kit at all, but I am sick of all of your giving him **** because he chose a different route, instead of jumping on a bandwagon.

 
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I have to say we have a guy in our club with an EVO 8 who is running high 12s and he had spent no where near 3k

 
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and BTW the k20 is making 240 whp with bolt-ons....why spend the money on building the d17?

rsx type-S motor mods
Toda Spec-B cams, valve springs and Ti retainers, mild ported head with 1mm os
intake valves, JDM type-r intake manifold, Hitech exhaust header, Hondata ECU,
AEM CAI, Greddy exhaust, UR Pulley set and thats it! The ported head only made
6 whp so you can say it makes 240 whp with out going inside the motor at all.

246whp.... 240whp without porting.

b

 
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so he spent 28.000 for a base evo 8 or 33.000 for a fully loaded with everything evo 8, plus whatever other mods he did after he got it. so lets say he spent 2k. 30.000-35.000


now my car 14.000+10.000=24.000

i know i know 10k, i messed up in a few places along the way, get over it and accept it i did.

35.000-24.000=11.000

that mean i have 11.000 more to spend........now wheres that evo 8....holy **** whats that in the rear view....omg he hasnt even passed the tree yet

 
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That still not very impressive. Granted, its impressive that they can make our cars that fast. But its not fast, not compared to some of the American Muscle driving around.

 
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american muscle huh.....blah no fun..........my dads boss has 11 original hemi cudas in the garage...yea they are nice.......but u know what......they are so damn expensive the dont DRIVE THEM...well the most they move is on and off the trailer. at 250k a piece value, and the time it takes to fix them which he does in his own residential garage, this garage i envy its got a damn near autozone in it with spare parts. it aint worth it

 
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huh.. well... I don't think thats a very valid arguement. Because generally when you buy factory tuned cars you buy them for the styling and to look like a rich ***. Obviously you can tune a car for cheaper with aftermarket parts, but I bet you he still has a warranty where as you do not. Also, his car was designed to be ran like that yours is not, so he has no reliability issues up until his warranty period is over, but if you shoot a rod tommorow you are shafted. Not to mention that in the eyes of most people, it will still just be a Civic, regardless of how fast it is.

 
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o its just a evo too

the day he does ne thing to the turbo ie upgrade aftermarketly warranty can be kissed goodbye

 
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Nah man, you could have bought a Camaro SS with lots of performance parts. Granted it would not be brand new, but since you don't have a warranty anyways who gives a ****. Also, I don't think you can claim that your Honda gets better gas milage when it is running high boost levels. A Camaro SS gets 28 Miles per gallon highway. Also Mustang GTs are very under-rated, everyone dogs on them but the truth of the matter is they are very easy to tune. And those are EXTREMELY cheap, I could trade in my EX Civic for one right now, straight up. They lose their value very quickly.

 
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civics lose value quick???

gas mileage, i drive to cincy from cleveland every other week... not turbo half tank with turbo 3/4 not to bad imo i was expecting worse

 
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I get better gas mileage with my turbo. And then with the ported head it got better.

I was surprised, my 99 vette got 36 mpg on the way to laughlin and back.

 
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But you are looking at spending over 7 grand for a K20 swap alone, not to mention all of those upgrades. The Hondawerx swap car has paid over 25 grand for all of it's upgrades(swap, stage 3 turbo, etc)

 
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wtf 25 grand? k20a on ebay 3500, parts and labor around 2000 more. equals 5500 cybernation turbo "stage 4 is 12 grand" so Im assuminmg its probably 8 grand for stage 3, custom work and custom, probably around 5 grand max.
So 5500 + 8000 + 5000 = around 19000 max.

 
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and they listed 450 whp for 19000 damn. not impressive at all, but that is just a great accomplishment. I still give them props that shiznit is way faster than my civic

 
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That must be a real kick in the nuts once 4600 RPM rolls around!!!

 
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hope my numbers look that good when i get my turbo

 
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In today's world you can get a K20a2 for 3500, but K20a's still run around 5 grand. Just think of the cost back when he was the FIRST to do the swap. Trust me, I talk with Greg all the time, i know how much they've put into that car.

 
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2000-2500? i thought a T3/T4 gets full boost around 4500 just like C2i0v0i1c? post the graph..

 
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i have a t3/t04E, so what is the difference between mine and a t3/t04B

from the sounds of things mine is alot bigger if boosted is spooling at 2500

 
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just a different combination..... intake trim, exhaust trim, attack angles, things of that sort.

 
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The k20 mods I listed are good for over 240 whp naturally aspirated!!!! That's without touching internals at all.... Do realize what that car would run??? Easily low 13s, slicks 12s.....now imagine that boosted.....you would have over 200whp before the turbo even spooled up......
The type R k20 makes 218 whp with just the hondata standalone CAI and catback
That's sick bro.....

I realize it's expensive but by the time you get that kind of horsepower out of the D17 you will have spent much more.....
Catalyst is running a 13.6 @102 with 230 whp w/ turbo.......now imagine 240whp NA....

yeah, damn fast car, not to mention sleeper....

Brandon

 
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It would require extensive tuning to run a turbo on those due to the high compression. Also Catalyst would beat a 240whp NA engine because simply he has more torque.

 
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NO way bro, absolutely no way is a turbo car with 230 whp gonna beat a NA with 240 not only would the K20 tear him out of the whole it would trap a much better time.....dont' have to wait for anything to spool up....

BTW the K20 is not hard to boost it was making 240 whp without touching internals....
no high compression there...


Brandon

 
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Your wrong the car with more torque will win.

 
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lmao tell that to the type s .. i tore an *** woopin to.

 
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good numbers man

 
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The RSX type S is almost 300lbs heavier than the civic coupe. Plus the type S will not make near as much torque as Mike's car will. So in all the Civic will win.