Hawk

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no one is denying the coupe is made in america, and i for one don't think its fast, thats why i fixed that problem.

You have to relize that being made in America is not a bad thing, unless you are really that close minded, which is what the case seems with you.

I agree with the SI people that the SI is faster, more torque, more horsepower, and its only 200 lbs heavier.

But i don't see why a car being made in america makes it bad. Do you hate this country? Because the engineering on the drivetrain is still Honda, not like ford designed the motor or something.

by the way.... get a real k20.... ouch i said it. (comment not directed to all SI owners btw)

AlexLx

most stock rsx-s owners are only running 10 flat in the 1/8th mile. SilverHB02si and myself are running the same times in our si's with i/h/e and 17's. The a2 might have more hp, but a very slight margin more torque. a real k20..... that REAL k20 will swap much easier in my car than yours. :P

AlexLx

and just for the record....3rd gear is what will give the rsx-s some lengths on an si. Hell we can only rev to 6800. *shrugs I will probably buy a k20a2 when my motor hits 100K miles. Shouldnt be too expensive by then. For now it's time to have fun with the a3

Hawk

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once again, not directed to ALL SI OWNERS a k20a-whatever is better than a d17. and it might be easier to put one in your car, but one is IN my car

akiboy7

all that money and your still on the 13's tssk tssk tssk. you should have saved your money and got a fast car.one that runs boost

JDMakeover

Well the reason why it sucks and is slow is because it's not made in Japan. If you'll notice, all of Honda's cars that are worth a damn are made there, like: the S2000, the forever-missed Prelude, NSX, the Accord Euro R (or TSX as we have it here), Integra (RSX), Civic Type R (Civic Si). The 1.7L coupe is not on that list? Wonder why? It must blow?...yup, it does.

Of course I love my country and where I live. But as far as cars, bleh, I would never consider an American-made car (I would've bought a ****ing cavalier if I wanted American). And uh yeah, I do have apprehensions about buying a Japanese car that isn't made there.

Civic coupe, Element, Pilot, V6 Accord--all these are American phenomenons.
There is a very good reason why Honda doesn't sell such cars to its own people; because they absolutely suck ***.

There's also no denying that you're car is slow. No denying that you'd lose to an Si every time.

Hawk

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oh so japan = speed. Now it makes sense lease:

JDMakeover

You're pretty dumb. Japan = quality.

What kind of bad *** Honda cars are made in the U.S.?

No response to all the other points I brought up in the las post, eh?

rgGolf4

Although its not Honda, but Toyota makes most of their cars sold in the states in the states. They are the most reliable cars on the planet, and their made right here.

The place of where its built means almost nothing. They use the same parts, same build process, and work off the same specs. What the hell is the difference?

Just because they're not fast means squat. Its only because they don't sell those cars here.

By the way, the EP and EP/R are made in Britain.

Hawk

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thank you.

JDMakeover

You are wrong, the US version of the EP and Europe's EP are assembled only, in England of all Japanese parts, everything from my engine and transmission even to the gas hoses say "Nichirin JPN" on them.

The JDM EP is -both- built and assembled in Japan.

Toyota being the most reliable car eh? I've seen 14 times as many early 80's Accords (and even some late 70's!) still running on the road than I do Toyotas...interesting. I may see a few old Toyota trucks. The number of Accords and Preludes outnumber the Cressidas, and Tercels by 14X as much, really and I would know because I live in the 2nd biggest city in the U.S.

You sure Toyota builds most of their cars here? Last time I looked at Celicas and MR-2's (the only 2 good cars they have) they weren't made here...

All of Honda's slow cars -and the ones they don't care about (which means yours)- are made in the states. You drive a 17.4 sec car.

No thank you.

Hawk

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how do you not crash your car with that cloud around your head?

and by the way I don't drive a 17.4 second car. I'll tell you what i run in about a month

JDMakeover

Yup, and in a month I'll show you my 11 sec slips with JRSC, nitrous, s-afc, straight pipes, drag radials, and weight reduction--there I can do the same thing. And even with all that my car just has simple appendixes attached to it and not a swap like you...

Point in fact, your car won't achieve a good time in its stock form. In order to do that you would have to throw in a meaningful engine.

Now back to the point. Stock to stock you lose. Every single time.

Hawk

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like i said before
and 200 lbs a SI gives up doesn't mean jack, stock for Stock, mod for mod a SI will win. I think anyone with common knowlage can figure that out.

AlexLx

this is hilarious

hothondacivic02

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This is funny you people have nothing to do besides **** each other off
the SI is chill and all the coupe is chill big deal why dont you guys just settle this the old fashion way 5 rounds bare nuckle . Then whoever still stands is the winner .

bLu AzN XsTaCy

a gifted 7th gen ex from the factory still can't be a high 15 sec car. plz stop trying to pull ****. a celica gt stick IS 128lbs lighter, has more aggresive gear ratios, and 13 more hp/11lb-ft, but let's see...that car in hell ain't no high 15 sec car.

Kevdroz

you guys are full of it.(SI OWNERS) Here is my story
this last thursday I was at the club (honda club) and this guy came
to join with a new civic SI, it only had 4k miles on it and 17s or 18s
rims on it everything else stock. So he started to look around and
he ask the president of the club for a pass with some one.
to make the story short we went to race .
the first pass I went up front 1 car length, when I hit 110 mph he
pass me, and when I hit 120mph I started to gain on him again.
the second pass it was the same way.
I test drove the SI and I don't think is a big deal. I think is a piece
of for the price. I personally wouldn't pay for it. Don't take me wrong
it has a nice engine but is too regulated, you have to invest money right
of the lot to maked perform nicely.
And you guys with SI's don't take this the wrong way, I like the new SI
I just don't think is good for the price.

civicvtec1ps

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realize people buy new si's for cheap now days?
i only paid around 17 with everything.
my payment went DOWN $ 13 every month.
i had 2002 civic ex. now i enjoy my new si.

ssvr6

I'm sure we can all argue till we're blue in the face. I can say this, my car is definitely faster than the coupes (pre-turbo), at least in my area.

But, I'm sure there are some decent ones out there and there are definitely crappy drivers out there so it's possible for anyone to win.


Steve

MasterVTEC

funny you said that, i have an 03 SI with AEM CAI

i'll smoke any 2002 with I/H/E i'll put money on it!
i'll show you how bad i'll woop on the 2002 EX coup

MasterVTEC

not to ragg on any of you guys, i own a 03' si

i dont think you could do that to me! im not the best driver in the world but i could woop on EX I/H/E coups all day in my SI

i'll say the only reason why you beat the SI is because he had people in his car

honda engines dont do well with weight! SI is heavy as it is, but you add some big peeps in it and your done!

80-85? did you guys race starting from a stop light? or were you guys driving already then punched it?

im not doggin on any EX civic or any thing, its just I back my SI, there both honda's but still all on the driver!

aznboysrfr

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you're not stock buddy k thx

MasterVTEC

so all a SI needs is a CAI and it'll smoke any 2002 ex with I/H/E?

aznboysrfr

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stock si's will not "smoke" i/h/e ex's. let's get that straight first off.

second, why are ALL '02+ si owners soooooo stuck on their si's ... ? they are SLOW. Granted not quite as slow as the 7th gen coupes (they are NOT -that- much quicker), however they are newer, yet slower than the '00 Si's.

Ok, I don't know ... so plz clear up my confusion. older Si's are 1.6L dohc vtec, rated at 160 hp. Newer gen Si's are 2.0L, dohc i-vtec, yet still rated at 160 hp. However, it does have 20 more torque than the '00 version. It looks like to me, the newer Si's are SHITTY. Why is that? Because the car is heavier, the motor has the same hp. However, the motor is i-vtec ... and it also has electric power steering, which is supposed to free up hp... but the hp rating is the same. Shittier motor? I think so.

On another note, all the rest is stock except a cai? ... In another post, you mentioned you had hondata and a couple other things ... that doesn't sound like stock to me.

According to edmunds, a '00 si's 0-60 is 7.2 seconds ... while a '02+ si's 0-60 is 7.9 seconds. Other sites will mention that the '00 si's 0-60 is anywhere from 6.9-7.3 seconds ... average of 7.1 seconds. I found that the '02+'s are from 7.7-8.4 seconds ... which averages out to 8 seconds.

If I'm wrong here, please clear it up.

02SilverSiHB

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I've been up against si's with i/h/e, some had stock tires, some had 16's or 17's. I've beat them all...none have beat me yet. Maybe where you're at they do, here they do not, everywhere is different.

I'll help you out...not a shitty motor,no it's not. It is rev limited to 6800rpm where as the older one was 8000rpm, my dyno shows that the car keeps making power, give me more rpms and we'll see what happens:
In 90 degree weather

Althought, I must say that this new Si engine is shitty in a way as it runs vtec on the intake and not the exhaust cam. I don't know why in the world honda did that...and I know someone will try and say for better fuel economy..but come on, I don't drive mine for better fuel economy. By the way the cams constantly change timing, making that much better than the older one in my book, vtec is there when you want it, just stomp on the peddle.

Mag times come on now, get real

MasterVTEC

i heard every car is different so maby all the si's that you were beating were wack ones or the civic that you have is a lucky one that was made better and is a lil bit faster than the other sedans, all i know is that you wont beat me, even if my car was stock and i had 20 people in my car, ya thats right 20!

hahaha just kidding, i suck with all my mods imsuppose to be getting low 15's but i only could get a 15.6 in 1/4 mile!

100+ degree weather though, so maby at 70 degree weather i could get that but i dont see that happenen at the race track we go to

02SilverSiHB

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****, it's probably the same one SCC goes to, they get shitty time for all their cars where they go.

aznboysrfr

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sorry ... I'm not trying to brag on you 02silverhb ... but your ep's kit reminds me of a toyota matrix ... T_T;;; no offense ...

as far as magazine/internet times go ... what? you think that's all bullshit? ... ok, so I guess a McLaren's 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are bullshit too? An STi's 0-60 in 4.8 seconds is bullshit? Oh, I see.

02SilverSiHB

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first it's rag, not brag. secondly I don't care if you think it looks like a matrix, because it doesn't







The kit is carbon fiber...before you ask...


You're quoting times again from a magazine, did you know that...meaning that anything could have been different when the 99-00 si went to the track versus the 02+ Si. I'm not talking about those cars you just mentioned...what do they have to do with the Si's