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Old Dec 23, 2002
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Civic EX V.S. Civic SI

Ok... THis was like a month ago.
THis guy at my school thinks his car is way faster than mine. I have a stock civic ex and the other guy 2002 stock si.
So we decided to race a quarter mile at a traffic light.
I launch at 3100 and get him at the getgo. Im ahead by one car.
Shift to second gear and its an even match.
Shift to third and I start to see him pulling, but it was over.

I won by a hood.
Everyone that went to spectate was like.:_b ow:[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
I just smiled [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] and drove away.

THIS IS A VERY LONG THREAD. GOOD LUCK FINISHING. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
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When my car was stock I beat a 99-00 si. He had a cat-back that was all. I bet him by about 2 car lengths because I had enough room to get back into the correct lane. I got him off the line because he dumped the clutch and then floored it so he sat and spun for a few seconds. Good job man Then again I lost to a hatchback by about 3 car lengths that had an si motor put in it. But i'd say we can hang with Si's with the basic mods.
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the new SI's are slightly faster than us, but not by much thanks to their heaviness.
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Their car being heavy does help, but i still think it comes down to the driver.

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haha...thats nice
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Their car being heavy does help[hr]

Ah, the size of a hatchback, but the weight & appearance of a minivan...
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Their car being heavy does help[hr]

Ah, the size of a hatchback, but the weight & appearance of a minivan...[hr]
well stated.
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Im ahead my one car.
Shift to second gear and its an even match.
Shift to third and I start to see him pulling, but it was over.

I won by a hood.
Everyone that went to spectate was like.:_b ow:[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
I just smiled [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] and drove away.[hr]
ok let me get this stright. You had him by a car, and by 2nd gear you guys are "even" and when you shift to 3d "and you start to see him pull" (So this time he should be ahead right? since you guys where even and he start to pull) and you won by a hood. but he was pulling from you...
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Alright im not sure how good yall know your civic but a Civic SI has 160 hp and ( We ) the EX civic have 127 hp, I don't know what all you've done to your car's but I still think they sould be able to beat yall

And if you don't belive me ill give you a web page that has the spec of both cars
www.HondaTuners.com go to vehicle specs
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Alright im not sure how good yall know your civic but a Civic SI has 160 hp and ( We ) the EX civic have 127 hp, I don't know what all you've done to your car's but I still think they sould be able to beat yall

And if you don't belive me ill give you a web page that has the spec of both cars
www.HondaTuners.com go to vehicle specs [hr]
OMG.......read around n00b. The Si even though it maybe DOHC is not as fast as you think. The Si is 200lbs heavier than the EX. These cars come so close in performance that it really comes down to the driver. Just like a DX civic can beat an EX even though the DX doesn't have VTEC.

It is very likely that an Si can lose to another 7thgen.

Stock situations:
Si's can run a 16.2 1/4 mile.
EX's can run a 16.7 1/4 mile

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Interesting thread So who was it on here that I beat about a month ago...black 01+ civic coupe with aem license plate holder, some fart can exhaust and 7thGenCivic.com sticker. I'd love to race him again...in fact I'll race any of you with basic bolt ons...I only have a cheap *** short intake.
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hehe.... i'll race ya if i ever come down that way. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG]
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hehe.... i'll race ya if i ever come down that way. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG][hr]
lol not with your s2000 I guess I should have said basic bolt ons on a civic ex [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG]
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lol not with your s2000 I guess I should have said basic bolt ons on a civic ex [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG][hr]
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Ok, this is real stupid. The only way an Si will lose to an EX is if the driver has down syndrome.

This thread has been linked to ephatch.com and our people had some input on this subject.

http://ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6284
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im sorry but i really gotta call BS on this fellas. I mean we might have more weight than you but you guys make little power to the wheels what do you dyno? 100hp torque? low 90's? 02 si's dyno 135-138 stocky. We also have a hella of a better torque figure and power band then you kiddies. even with basic bolt ons you'd still be - on hp and torque and your power band would still lack.
thats like me saying i can kill a rsx type s or something. Im sorry maybe the kid couldnt drive his car. if anyone is in the SOCAL area and wants to mess with my hamster give me a email. =-) till then cya kids. ive raced many celica gt that weigh less than you ( or even ) and they make more hp.


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Your Si's aren't as good as you think they are.

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[hr]Originally posted by: Boilermaker1
I'm not sure how much to trust SCC's numbers or analysis, I haven't been getting it long enough. But they say, at low RPMs one intake valve follows the primary lobe, and the other follows a secondary smaller lobe, and the i-VTEC in the K20A3 activates at 2300 where only the intake valves change to the high cam profile. The exhaust valves never change over, thus the reason for the whimpy performance, lack of 8000+ RPM redline and no scream. Basically, the 11:1 compression and the 2.0L Displacement account for the 33 HP over the EX. Essentially, they have the same VTEC system as we do, just with an extra camshaft that has fixed timing. It's no faster than the EX (they clocked a 1/4 in 16.2/85.1).
Does anyone know if this is true?
Meanwhile the K20A2 has all the goodies.[hr]
Check out the complete thread here

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Ok, this is real stupid. The only way an Si will lose to an EX is if the driver has down syndrome.

This thread has been linked to ephatch.com and our people had some input on this subject.

http://ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6284[hr]
Well to start, I've seen EP hatches lose to 7th gen EX's at our street races... since anything can happen on the street.

However, stock 7th gen EX's have hit high 15's in the 1/4 mile. sounds like it's most certainly a driver's race with the EP hatch. Unless you can show me slips where stock Si hatches have hit low 15's. Even if the Si hatch can hit mid 15's in the hands of the right driver, it's still going to be a driver's race with the 7th gen EX, or dare I even say LX/DX.
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Does anyone know the weight diference between a bare bones no options ex, and a loaded one (AC, sunroof, spoiler, appearance package, power everything). And also, when honda claims a curb weight, is that on a bare car, or a loaded one? Just curious because if a bare ex is 200 lbs lighter than an si, is a loaded ex the same weight? Thanks all
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Does anyone know the weight diference between a bare bones no options ex, and a loaded one (AC, sunroof, spoiler, appearance package, power everything). And also, when honda claims a curb weight, is that on a bare car, or a loaded one? Just curious because if a bare ex is 200 lbs lighter than an si, is a loaded ex the same weight? Thanks all[hr]
That is the bare bones EX. It is their highest model. It comes with sunroof, a/c, and cd player etc straight from the factory. I got my EX without the spoiler or pinstriping.

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it might be a drivers race if the EX had GOOD rubber I/H/E and a high tail wind pushing behind it. The biggest draw back to the SI is its porkiness and the insight tires. the stock tires a friggin joke. You cant launch higher than 2.5 k on a stock SI without the tires protesting madly. Bad tires + bad driver but still the guy must not know how to floor it cus one it hits 4.8 k and up he should have taken you. Im not saying my car is fast (yet) but i havent lost to any ex or integ ls or cetica gt yet. i have been smoted by several hybrids.
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sihatch02, I will be the first one to call bs on you on all of those races. Your car isn't as fast as you think it is.


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So the curb weight listed does not include
1. spoiler
2. Apearance package ( side skirts, front and rear lip spoiler)

That should be about 50lbs right.

Makes sense, because i smoked a guy in a loaded ex, but i was alone and he had his GF with him, (so tack on another 150lbs) so i guess we weighed about the same when we raced, no wonder why I beat him so easily. We ran twice, both times i let him get the initial launch ( I launch when they've got about 1/2 a car on me). He seemed to be a good driver, and i consider myselfe an average driver. But even weighing the same, 1'st is still close, its only till late 2nd when i really started putting distance between us. I think that if an si has an extra person, big subs in the trunk, and a poor driver, a stock ex (without the above apearance package) and an excelent driver could be a drivers race (lets say up to 60mph). But otherwise i think that the 30 or so Hp differnce is too much to make up Stock vs Stock. Thats just my opinion, no intention of starting a flame war or anything. Later all [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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All I have to say is you people who are new to the forums and 7thgens have got a lot to learn about what others have figured out on this site. Stock EX's can beat Si's. LX's can beat EX's. It doesn't really matter what the car or their horsepower in the 7thgens. They are so close that it ultimatly comes down to the driver.
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it might be a drivers race if the EX had GOOD rubber I/H/E and a high tail wind pushing behind it. The biggest draw back to the SI is its porkiness and the insight tires. the stock tires a friggin joke. You cant launch higher than 2.5 k on a stock SI without the tires protesting madly. Bad tires + bad driver but still the guy must not know how to floor it cus one it hits 4.8 k and up he should have taken you. Im not saying my car is fast (yet) but i havent lost to any ex or integ ls or cetica gt yet. i have been smoted by several hybrids.[hr]
Uh, again, show me timeslips where stock EP's are hitting anything better than mid/high 15's. Decent EX driver's will get between 15.8 and 16.1 stock. And what does the average DECENT Si driver get? I'd like to see anything better than 15.6 in stock form... yes, even with the crap tires. And guess what, if you have a GREAT run in a new Si and get 15.6, you're still only a driver's race for a 15.9 in an EX.... .3 seconds is no room for error on either car's part... hence, driver's race.
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Your Si's aren't as good as you think they are.

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I'm not sure how much to trust SCC's numbers or analysis, I haven't been getting it long enough. But they say, at low RPMs one intake valve follows the primary lobe, and the other follows a secondary smaller lobe, and the i-VTEC in the K20A3 activates at 2300 where only the intake valves change to the high cam profile. The exhaust valves never change over, thus the reason for the whimpy performance, lack of 8000+ RPM redline and no scream. Basically, the 11:1 compression and the 2.0L Displacement account for the 33 HP over the EX. Essentially, they have the same VTEC system as we do, just with an extra camshaft that has fixed timing. It's no faster than the EX (they clocked a 1/4 in 16.2/85.1).
Does anyone know if this is true?
Meanwhile the K20A2 has all the goodies.[hr]
Check out the complete thread here[hr]
ah yes, the magazine times tells all

Oh and I know my si is as good as I know they are
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Your Si's aren't as good as you think they are.

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I'm not sure how much to trust SCC's numbers or analysis, I haven't been getting it long enough. But they say, at low RPMs one intake valve follows the primary lobe, and the other follows a secondary smaller lobe, and the i-VTEC in the K20A3 activates at 2300 where only the intake valves change to the high cam profile. The exhaust valves never change over, thus the reason for the whimpy performance, lack of 8000+ RPM redline and no scream. Basically, the 11:1 compression and the 2.0L Displacement account for the 33 HP over the EX. Essentially, they have the same VTEC system as we do, just with an extra camshaft that has fixed timing. It's no faster than the EX (they clocked a 1/4 in 16.2/85.1).
Does anyone know if this is true?
Meanwhile the K20A2 has all the goodies.[hr]
Check out the complete thread here[hr]
ah yes, the magazine times tells all

Oh and I know my si is as good as I know they are[hr]
This coming from someone who ran a 15.7 with SRI.... Like I said.... anything even in 15.6 territory is still driver's race for a 7th gen. Are you ignoring my posts intentionally? Or have you just failed to read them? If you run a 15.7 at BEST with your car, then you could be beaten by a 7th gen, since that leaves no room for error, and those times are so close it's a DRIVER's RACE.

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haha ah yes another set of magazine racers. Anyways if you want to go by MAGS, some s2000 logged 6.5-7.3 0-60! wow great car where did all the hp go? That can barely beat a Rsx type s. Ive never heard of EX breaking into 15.s stock. IMO thats complete BS since a stock 2k SI runs mid 15s. So your telling me that a 127 hp car that barely weighs less than a 2600 car can keep up with it? even though the power band is weaker and even though it makes alot less HP? haha

Its funny when people break out the magazines an start spoutin off times like they are fact. Anyways high 15's? in a EX? ROFL
i guess over here stock means I/H/E cams slicks etc. haha
high 15s? haha

a rsx and a s2000 ais a drivers race then? since the s2000 weighs more. haha
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haha ah yes another set of magazine racers. Anyways if you want to go by MAGS, some s2000 logged 6.5-7.3 0-60! wow great car where did all the hp go? That can barely beat a Rsx type s. Ive never heard of EX breaking into 15.s stock. IMO thats complete BS since a stock 2k SI runs mid 15s. So your telling me that a 127 hp car that barely weighs less than a 2600 car can keep up with it? even though the power band is weaker and even though it makes alot less HP? haha

Its funny when people break out the magazines an start spoutin off times like they are fact. Anyways high 15's? in a EX? ROFL
i guess over here stock means I/H/E cams slicks etc. haha
high 15s? haha

a rsx and a s2000 ais a drivers race then? since the s2000 weighs more. haha[hr]
For a newbie who is just learnig about his car you really are shooting off your mouth pretty hard. I wish Joe were here to shut you up.

Dude just shutup because you don't know what you are talking about. S2000man01 has run low 14's in his stock S2000. When can I meet you so that we can settle this? I'll make a trip halfway if you meet me the other half.





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