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06 vic si vs me

Old Mar 8, 2006
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06 vic si vs me

well my friend just got the new si and i wanted to race him for the hell of it even though i knew i was gonna lose. So off holman rd. we go off the light and i get him off the hole and then 2nd still have him but then were even. I hit third and we are still even but then he creeps and gets me by a fender. I normally never post my kills but i just wanted to tell this story because i was suprised myself. No flaming from people that dont know what they are talking about either.
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hmmmm very interesting, what are your mods???
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vp with suspension, sri, unbolt, some weight off etc. Hes all stock. My car weighed in with me at 2340 pounds.
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methinks your friend can't drive to save his life. good race though. you must be a decent driver.
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that is low weight on your part. i can't believe the si has about 40 lbs on even the old rsx... and heavy wheels.

not that that makes the si slow enough to lose to average civic drivers, props! try him in 10 thousand miles when he knows his car, and the engine is broken in (these k's take some time)
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its not interesting. have any of you seen the dyno for an SI? that power doesn't come into play until almost 6k rpms. so if he didn't take it to redline, it would be very close. plus most si are loaded with crap like 17-18 rims and that lip kit.
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^^^ yeah, but if he didnt take it to redline, then the race was just pointless. Revvin up the motor is what Honda engines are all about (atleast I think so) But once that needle swings up there, the Si should pull fairly hard.... I would think a stock Si wuold put about 160+WHP.
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Not being rude: Do you really think it would lose that much power in the drivetrain?
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until 6k rpms, its basically equal to a 7thgen ex with i/h/e. No usable power before 6k rpms. and look at that pig rich a/f, like it has a turbo.

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yea know what u guys mean. ^ he took it to redline and i thought it was gonna pull hella hard too, but who knows. Weight, suspension, and the 60 ft is what most people should focus on but people think i/h/e is what u should do and they quit on our cars.
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Originally Posted by inthenameofweez
Not being rude: Do you really think it would lose that much power in the drivetrain?
no, I'm probably being a little pesimistic..... thats why I said 160+WHP.... could be 170....which is what K20A2 dynoed at on average.... but I cant imagine it being much more than that.
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looking at the dyno, you're only making that 170whp for 2k rpms or maybe 1 sec before its time to shift. thats why it sucks.
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i wouldnt max out an si until i get it broken in...i wouldnt do anything like racing to running with anyone until i get at least 3k miles on it
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Originally Posted by ragingSPAM
i wouldnt max out an si until i get it broken in...i wouldnt do anything like racing to running with anyone until i get at least 3k miles on it

That's what I was thinking, and as mentioned above, the K's take a while to break in.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
methinks your friend can't drive to save his life. good race though. you must be a decent driver.
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Wow...that dyno chart sucks.... You'd have to keep that thing revving to the moon to get anything out of it... looks like a 7th gen while daily driving.
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exactly. how many times are you gonna be revving above 6k except maybe gettin on the freeway?
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well regardless of what dyno charts say, people are running 14's in them bone stock. kinda confirms my initial thought about this race.

Originally Posted by swifty2k
Wow...that dyno chart sucks.... You'd have to keep that thing revving to the moon to get anything out of it... looks like a 7th gen while daily driving.
wait this is like ripping on the S2000 because it makes it's best power above 6000rpm. that doesn't mean it's slow before that. and i'm willing to bet that it'd pull on a stock 7th gen off the line even BEFORE reaching 6000rpm.

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but look at the torque curve, its the same as a lightly modded 7thgen is it not? what makes you think it would pull? s2k and si are completely different. ofcourse the s2k has more torque in the lower rpm.
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Originally Posted by gearbox
but look at the torque curve, its the same as a lightly modded 7thgen is it not? what makes you think it would pull? s2k and si are completely different. ofcourse the s2k has more torque in the lower rpm.
gearing. the Si has far more aggressive gearing than the regular civic has. so even if it had the same exact torque curve, the new Si would still pull below 6000rpm.
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^^^ Your right! Gearing has everything to do with how a car performs...
It wouldnt make up for a bad driver, but it would help under 6k
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Originally Posted by swifty2k
^^^ Your right! Gearing has everything to do with how a car performs...
It wouldnt make up for a bad driver, but it would help under 6k
exactly. first gear is gone like that if you punch it from a roll. i drive my gf's stock 7thgen all the time and the gearing is a turd all around for speed by comparison.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
gearing. the Si has far more aggressive gearing than the regular civic has. so even if it had the same exact torque curve, the new Si would still pull below 6000rpm.
Exactly... if you think your 7thgen has better low end then the new Si's guess again.
I test drove an 8thgen Si and it destroy's my car in terms of power.
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people that have raced street or track know 60 ft, suspension, weight, etc makes a big difference. S2000man and gearbox already explained it.
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