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Well I was just out having some fun driving around. Nothing real interesting had happened so I decided to pull into the local university and make a U turn and head back home. Well I decided to have a bit of fun and slide my car around an island separating two lanes. To my satisfaction I brought the back end around very nicely and back with ease. As I was heading out I see a car way behind me catching up fast. So I am thinking **** campus cops must have seen me. As it got closer I realized it was no cop, but a VW Jetta. Well I decide to hit the gas and speed up a bit from my cruising speed of 45 to see if he will follow and he does. To my surprise he is right on my ***. So I am thinking, VR6 and I am smoked. So we catch a long light that gives us some time for a conversation.

him: "what do you have in that thing"
Me: "not much I/h/e flywheel, clutch, short shifter, and shaved about 50lbs. Is that a VR6?"
him:” No it has an upgraded turbo, ECU and BOV"
me: "nice you will probably smoke me, but I will give it a good try anyways"
(There was some other misc. talk in there about rims, but it is irrelevant for the story)

He laughs and nods at the light that is now green (and had been for a few seconds). We both rev up (certainly drowning out the sounds of impatient honking from behind) look at each other he gives the nod and we both launch. Or launches were both perfectly timed but I got him out of the hole and to my surprise begin to pull. I nail second perfectly and with the chirping of my tires he drops back to the back of my door. As I perfectly glide the shifter into third he is at my back bumper and holding. Almost all the way through third it is a stalemate with him at my back bumper and I am really beginning to get more excited about winning this race then I had ever gotten (you would have thought it was for tittles). Then right towards the end of third around 80 he slowly begins creeping back. I wanted so bad to let off the gas and declare victory and blame it on the fact that we would have stayed at a stalemate until crazy speeds. And then claim that he never really pulled I just, let off But I knew that a defeat from such an admirable opponent would only build character. So I mindlessly placed the shifter into fourth hoping for new found vigor in the little 1.7, but he continued the onslaught. By the time we reached 95-98 we were dead even again for the first time since the stop light and by the time that I let off at around 105-110 I was at his back bumper . He slowed and we talked while traffic caught up. He asked me what model civic I had and admitted that he was very surprised by how close it was (did not want to let him know that I was too) and then we parted ways. All and all I would call it my most memorable race to date.

 
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And before anyone says that it was just a Jetta 1.8T without the modded turbo, or ECU.
1. the sound of the turbo was very apparent as was the BOV (on a stock 1.8t you can't hear ****)
2. I just raced a stock 1.8T the other day from a roll and a dig and I will say that this car was a good bit faster (especially at higher speeds)

So this car had alot more than the exhaust

 
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Nice kill

 
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a Jetta 1.8T can do high 15's stock. (15.5-15.7 with the best drivers)

very douftul that he had either upgraded turbo or ECU/chip. probably some ricer kid lying trying to scare you so you wouldn't race. lol. way to show him up in your civic.

 
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not callin bs but if it was a REAL turboed jetta with giac chip and apr upgraded turbo then i think he would have won. Him mentioning that he has bov next to the mods ecu and turbo upgrade makes me wonder? Anyways good kill, but i am pretty sure it was a jetta with basic bolt ons

 
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I'm going to have to go with s2000 man on this one, my girlfriend drives a 2004 1.8T and you can hear her turbo if you stomp on it, they have 180 stock(non-dyno #'s of course), buddy at work has the same car 2003 with intake, custom exhaust, and a couple other performance upgrades, his dyno is 220 to the wheels, that's with stock turbo. He does have an upgrade to his ECU, not sure if it's a new ECU or if he just flashed it.

Regardless, I highly doubt that kid had an upgraded turbo. Don't know your car, but if he had an upgraded turbo you would of gotten stomped.

Be glad it wasn't an R32, another friend here at work has one of those he runs at the track. Damn this is NASTY!

 
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With a 1.8T or any turbo if it's brand new like my GF's it's all on how you break the damn thing in, I drive her car every morning to drop her off at the train station then drive back and if you put the pedal half way to the floor you can hear her stock turbo with no BOV. Also we were going to drop my car off at honda and we raced and messed around a little and she punched it and you can't hear the stock turbo for sure, her car is all stock BTW. 15,000 miles, she's driven it since 0 miles.

I keep asking her if i can drop some stuff in there, but she's selling it after she done with her internship here in chicago or when she hits 50,000 miles and her warranty is up, she wants an LR3 which I'm somewhat protested too.

BTW, S2000man you sig is the ****!!!!! I've showed a couple people at work and they wouldn't stop laughing, He's got the coolest evil ninja look on his face, makes me really think he could destroy worlds with laser eyes or something.

 
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the GIAC chip is among the better ones for the 1.8T's. you'd be amazed what it can do for those cars!

however, don't get too carried away from the point of this thread. he beat the jetta, and even with it not having the mods the guy claimed, that's is a pretty good feat!


and yes. fluffy is the ****

 
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Stock turbos in those 1.8T are crap as far as a turbo is concerned, My bro has one same with girlfriend and a friend at work, I used to stomp my bro with my 92 Civic before it was totaled, and I wasn't even boosted. Oh no trust me i'm not saying that it's not a good feat cause it is, Just saying that kid was full of **** what was actually under his hood, for making him feel even more stupid.

Yeah Fluffy is pretty cool, his face fits the titled you gave him, makes me really think he destroys worlds.

Let's talk about Fluffy instead. He's faster/better then a 1.8T anyway!

What kind of dog is Fluffy?

Looks like a Puppy did you just get him?

 
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lol actually it's not my dog. it's just a pic i found on the internet that made me laugh for a good 5 minutes the first time i saw it.

 
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No I have raced a stock Jetta 1.8 T and this was not stock. I think that he said that he changed the turbo to t3/t4 and when from 180 hp to around 200 (I sure he was only speculating), but I am not sure (hard to hear from car to car). Besides I guess that an intake would make the turbo louder not a different turbo so the fact that it was louder is not evidence of a different turbo maybe an intake. His car was very nice it looked like nice *** racing seats, not sure if they were aftermarket or not didn't really look it though. He had nice BBS rims ect. As far as me hearing the turbo we were talking after the race and when we parted ways I could hear it spooling so it was for sure not a stock Jetta.

 
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and I think that everyone should reread I lost to the Jetta LOL. IMO it was a perfect example of a race were one car had a destinct advantage (the Jetta), but good driving (me) allowed a slower car (my car) to hold out until top end and then the hp to weight difference over road good driving skills.

 
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To put things into perspective that Jetta would have beaten a stock one by atleast 7-10 cars to 100mph

 
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7 to 10 cars? no. if his jetta would have been even 7 cars ahead at 100mph vs a stock jetta, that is about a .8 second difference in the 1/4 mile.

that means he would be running high 14's. if that jetta could run high 14's, he'd have stomped you into the ground.

if his jetta wasn't stock, then his mods didn't do him any good, because he wasn't running any faster than a stock jetta. at least based upon his race with you.

between your driving and your mods, i'd say your in the same range as a stock 1.8t jetta. (probably in the 15.6-15.8 range) which is an accomplishment.

 
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All that I know is I raced a stock 1.8t on the highway multiple times just the other day from about 70-120 I put 5 or so cars on him every time. I guess that is all that I am basing it on. But trust me he was NOT stock I will bet on that. According to him he picked up 20 more crank hp than a stock Jetta with the turbo. which would make it about right for the senario. I guess that you will just have to trust my judgement that it was NOT stock, or don't trust me it is up to you

 
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BTW I would say more around a .3-.5 sec difference given that the 1/4 is going to end at around 87mph and the distance will only increase after that

 
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and stock for stock I would say close to a drivers race btwn a Jetta and a Civic. I think it would take a good driver to break 16 sec with a Jetta as with a civic

 
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at 90mph you are moving 132 feet per second. if one car is 6 car lengths ahead of another, that's .7 seconds difference between the two at the finish line. math is fun.

 
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It really aint about trust, its about numbers and facts. It is like saying you have to trust me because i beat an evo with my turboed civic, when it would make more sense that is was just a regular lancer. I am not trying to be a jerk it just makes mmore sense, unless he was just a terrible driver, but even then it sound thin.
People say **** all the time about their cars, he was probably lieing, or just did not know what he waws talking about. Still a nice kill even if it was stock!

 
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then you are underestimating the jetta. the best drivers can hit 15.5-15.6. good drivers would be 15.6-15.8. AVERAGE drivers would be 15.9-16.0+

it takes a FANTASTIC driver in a civic EX to hit a 15.8. you might be able to bang out a 15.6-15.8 on your ABSOLUTE best runs.

so compare off of that. if you lost to his jetta by 1 car length to 100, then his jetta wasn't running any faster than a stock jetta.

 
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exactly! even though his jetta was either stock or really no faster than stock, it's still an accomplishment!

i'm just trying to help add some other point of view to this to prevent an influx of trolls from vwvortex

 
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I would say that it will pull more than 1 car between 87 and 100 (more like two) so say 5 car difference at 90 that would be around .58 sec difference. So yes I guess that my .3-.5 is a bit conservative LOL

 
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Yes and maybe he will troll his way in and clear things up because it WAS A FASTER CAR THAN STOCK. It sounded different and pulled way different than a stock 1.8t

 
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he did not mention it I heard it

 
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Dude, level with us, could you really tell by how hard it pulled what mods it, while racing him?
This should get locked cause we ain't going anywhere i guess i will do my part...
Cya later

 
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Yes
a.) I could tell that it was faster than any of the other stock 1.8Ts that I have raced there is no question about it
b.)I could see the exhaust
c.)I could hear the turbo spool at moderate acceleration as we departed ways
d.)He said that he had a t3/t4 turbo. Hell I don't know if that is true I dropped that assumption for the idea that he could have had an intake. Which made the spool up louder.

So even with I/E (the least mods he could have had) I am guessing that he would put a couple cars on a stock Jetta in the 1/4

 
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The thing is I never claimed to know all of the mods. I stated:
a.) what he had told me
b.) my observations of the speed of the car and sound of the car
c.) What I physically saw with my eyes (exhaust)
and then I came up with the opinion that that Jetta WAS faster than stock. I then agreed (Please read back through the threads) that:
a.)the sound of the turbo spool could have been exagerated by an intake and he may have lied about the turbo (then again maybe not)
b.)that 7 cars by 100 was not an accurate assumption it would be closer to 3 or 4 cars.

The fact that will not change is that car:
a.)was faster than my civic
b.)was NOT STOCK

 
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So yes, if you are going to get your panties all bunched up and say that my thread should be closed then please do leave.

 
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you keep saying this. however, 1/4 mile times don't lie.

you drive a civic EX. a PHENOMENAL driver in an EX can run a 15.8 at best. otherwise 15.9-16.0 with the best drivers.

an equally good driver in a 1.8t will run 15.6-15.8 stock. STOCK. you keep saying that it pulled way more than a stock 1.8t. you have i/h/e. a STOCK 1.8t will beat you by maybe a car lenth or two in the 1/4 mile.

if the 1.8t was "way faster than stock" he'd have left you way behind.

do you understand what we are trying to say now? if he was modded, then he was not any faster than a stock 1.8t based upon his run with you, considering you are a 15.7-16.0 civic. because that's what a stock jetta 1.8t will run.

 
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if you beat stock 1.8t's before then you raced against average or poor drivers. because your car is barely on par with a properly driven 1.8t.
no he wouldn't have. because you lost by 1 car length. which is about on par for a properly driven stock jetta.