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i was lucky enough to ride in a boosted rsx
i think it was putting down around 500 to the wheels when i was in it.
his goal is to get 700 to the wheels

you can find him on the club rsx boards
his name is hardcorersxs

 
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LMAO sorry I didn't catch this earlier, I haven't had a chance to get online. I work in Real Estate in Las Vegas. Anyone in the business can tell you that Vegas is the number one place for appreciation right now...and I do some investing.

Houses here are relatively cheap and are doubling in value every 1.5-2 years. It's a great way to make cash...buy a place, rent it out and let someone else pay your mortgage, sell the place for a helluva lot more than you bought it for a year from now, do a 1031 tax exchange (avoid taxes on your profit), put it into more homes and continue to invest. Eventually it adds up. And Vegas is still CHEAP compared to Cali and the East Coast. The cost of homes here is peanuts in comparison. But I would probably make more money as a big time coke dealer like Scarface.

If you wanna know more feel free to PM me...

Sorry for the thread jack.

 
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Your talking just about 4-bangers right?

This may be a stupid question but it got me thinking. The F22 is 2.2 liters right. How can it have more power potential that a K24 or 2.4 liter. A bigger engine will always make more power than a smaller engine? I mean you can swap out all the parts in the engine as long as it keeps the same displacement and it seems to me the bigger engine would have great power potential. Dunno just my thinking.

 
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S2Kman: i thought you were going to sell the S2000 quite some time ago?

Too bad, I thought I saw an STi or Legacy GT in your future.

 
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because the 2.4 liter engines don't have the same components or design the S2000 engine has. they are completely different designs with completely different parts.

no, i was not referring to only 4 bangers. the owner of church automotive and a few other honda gurus have stated that the S2k engine has the best potential for peak power over any other honda engine. it's redline is a large part of that. the K20, on the other hand, probably has the best potential for gains under the curve.

 
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i sold my first one. then after my ex screwed me over, i said f it, and got another one.

 
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But those components can be changed via headwork, valvetrain, pistons etc. Bigger displacement will make more power.

And im sorry, I just can't believe that a 2.2 liter 4 cylinder will make more power in the end after a 3 liter or whatever it is 6 cylinder accord engine.

 
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change parts and components all you want, but you can't really change the design and characteristics. in other words, you aren't mating the S2000 valve train and head(which is unique to all hondas by the way) to the bottom end of the V6. there are some things you simply can't change unless you change the entire engine or the bottom or top half of it. at which point, it's no longer the engine you started with. you're missing the fact that there are things that are unique about the S2000 that were simply not designed to fit or work in other honda engines.

this isn't information I'm coming up with on my own, this is information I'm giving you from people who know more about honda engines than most people will know in their entire life.

 
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Its just ludicrous to think that you can tune more power of a 240 hp S2000 engine than a 240 hp accord V6 engine IMO. I guess theres no sense in arguing about it though. But I know which one I would rather start out with...

 
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care to tell me what credentials you have to argue with these people? what reasons you have for thinking they are wrong? you seem to be stuck on displacement. if one engine is more efficient in using the displacement it has, then why is it so hard to believe?

i'm giving you examples and reasons and logic, and you're just going "well that's ludicrous to think that" blah blah blah. sorry, but you don't know more than the people who have not only gotten excellent gains on the F20/22 n/a, but have also had more experience working on engines and honda engines than you will probably ever have in your life. do you head up the research and development for hondata and do you have incredible experience tuning and obtaining power from honda engines? no? yet you argue "ludicrous"........

 
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the S2000 need a nice swapie swap from the NSX. find a way to mount it a bit further back (firewall modification is necessary here) and you should have a sports car that will hang with the best of them in a straight line and in the curves.

I, so far, have been unimpressed with forced induction + S2Ks.

 
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i can point you in the right direction to see some decently modded FI S2000's. we have several supercharged making 350-450whp. one of our biggest street encounter ****** over on s2ki is pushing about 450whp on his SC at about 15psi on stock compression.

we have had a few S2000's making just over 500whp on pump gas and turbo.

also the highest recorded HP for an S2000 is 850+ wheel horsepower on a turbo at 32psi.

and so far the fastest 1/4 mile time proven was an 11.55@129mph with NO launch on STOCK tires and a stock rear-end. notice the very high trap. meaning good tires and launching, that thing would be low 10's.

do any of those impress you?

 
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I guess when you say "power potential" me and you seem to disagree on what that means. My definition would be, any mod goes just as long as you use the same engine block and keep the same displacement. Therefore I would use the bigger 6 cylinder block. Thats just what i'm saying. A drag race team for example when given the choice on which engine to use, say a F30 or a F22 would obviously go with the F30. Don't get me wrong the F20-22 are great engines, Im just saying for racing purposes, the bigger 6 cylinder is the obvious choice.

 
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I also understand by what I said up there that the modded accord engine would be a different engine than the stock one, but when you mod any engine, as soon as you change it, its cannot be considered the original engine. I guess what I would like to know is what you mean exactly by "Power Potential"?

 
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omg is this still going? LOL I havent seen the words "rsx turbo and s2k" used in conjuntion in the past like 10 posts...

 
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HAHAHA yeah I'm done arguing. This isn't even on subject.

 
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RIDICULOUS. That is very one sided. What kind of racing? What kind of chassis? Each application has their own strengths and purposes for different types of racing.

There is no way in hell that a 6 cylinder would be able to match the light weight balance the F20/F22 engine gives the S2000 chassis. Road racing and autocross depend on this.

If you're into a more "neanderthal" type of racing, well go ahead and put your 6 cyl into a lightweight car and stomp on the pedal until your ***** go numb. However, there are a plethora of cars that are better than Honda when it comes to drag racing, so the argument is nil.

 
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the statement that was made by others was that the S2000 has the most potential for peak power over any other honda engine. in other words, you'll get the highest peak WHP number out of the S2000 engine than any other honda engine. there are many things that can't be done to the accord engine without completely engineering brand new parts that don't currently (and won't) exist to allow it to have some of the advantages the S2000 has. almost the entire head in the S2000 is quite unique.

a large part of this is redline. the higher the redline, the more peak power you can make. there is a guy who has a redline of 11,500rpm on his S2000. I believe he makes 350whp n/a.

 
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in that case. red is a faster color than silver.

 
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lmfao faster to get handed tickets

 
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ohh s2k btw the guy who has the 11.5k redline and 350whp n/a, what mods does he have?

 
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don't know, but i know he has to repair certain parts every couple months depending on how often he goes to 11,500

 
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Heh, I would imagine =)

 
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Since this is off subject anyways, S2000man!!!

When crusing at 65mph (or so) on ze freeway, how high are the revs?

 
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I thought a rsx type s turbo could put out like 324whp with stock internals, so this guy must have had bad launch or boost turned down, or just bad driver.

Also with all of this arguing about "potential"- sure the v6 has more potential but do you have any idea how much money and time you would have to put into it, it is like s2000 man said, it would be a totally different engine. The 850 hp s2000 has a lot of money and work put into it but not nearly as much as it would take to get 850 hp out of the v6.
I see engine potential in terms of how much money and time goes into it, and yes alot of times bigger displacement has alot to do with it. BUT you are comparing one of the best production engines ever to an econo v6, never gonna win that arguement so of course you are done!!!

 
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lol just because you slap a turbo on the type S doesn't mean it's going to make 300+whp. only with tuning and running a fairly high amount of boost are you going to get that. especially considering that's probably 150whp more than stock.

 
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I know that. You cannot slap a turbo on anything anyway. Where did i imply that you just slap it on and take off with 300+whp?
Yeah, so like i said he was prob running low boost, bad launch or just a terrible driver. Considering your discription and giving him the benefit of the dought, he was probably running low boost.
What i meant was a turboed type s, with stock internals, tunned, running high boost is capable of 300+whp, which is enough to beat an s2000 in a strait line, even with fwd traction problems.
If you took your car to the strip and a "properly" turboed rsx s, your prob going to get better numbers with rsx.

 
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My main point i guess I didnt' get across was say your a professional racer of any kind but we'll say the "barbaric, ancient, neanderthal racing" drag racing. You know your gonna spend $20k plus on an engine because thats how much they cost and probably even more. And you had the opportunity to choose an s2000 engine or an accord V6 engine to start with. Basically when you build an engine for serious racing, your gonna change everything except the block unless some of the stock parts have been proven to be strong I.E. supra crankshaft. Which block or shortblock would you rather start out with? A 2 liter 4 cylinder or 3 liter 6 cylinder?

But your right, in both cases you wouldn't end up with the orginal engine you started out with. I'm curious to see what kinda power people can get out of the 3 Liter in the accord once people start tuning them.

 
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He still had a decently modded RSX. To even do as well as he did, considering my own mods (i'm not lightly modded). My guess is probably 8psi or so. I'm sure he was properly tuned.

But yeah, I would hope a type S running 300+whp can take out a stock S2000 no problem. But when did anyone ever say it couldn't? We all know what a car can do once you crank up boost, and throw on the mods, but what does that have to do with this particular race?

This takes us back to your first statement of "i thought rsx-S could make 324whp on stock internals". Maybe that's true, but what does that have to do with my race? I think you forget I can walk a stock S2000 like a dog. So for an RSX to even keep up with me, it would have to have some pretty decent mods.

 
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You said you cannot slap a turbo on something and make a bunch of HP, laughing at me cause you re presumptuous and arrogant. Then when you realize i did not imply throwing a turbo on the car, and attack the rest of my post
The point of my statement was if the car was setup how it should have been, IMO, then it should have beaten you. You say turbo, i think this guy should have some serious boost, but apparently not, so i was just stating what i thought of about the rsx in your post. It is called a response, what are you a teacher keeping me on task, gimme a break. I was just thinking out loud. What does your stupid s2000 race have to do with 7thgen civics, nothing, but it is interesting, it has to do with strip/track, so you posted it.
"i thought rsx-S could make 324whp on stock internals"-this does have to do with your race, if he was making this much he prob would have one, so he had less than this, probably.

Also, i can walk a dog too buddy, great, you wanna bone, how about a golf clap?
I think you forget, this is a civic forum and some people are tired hearing about your s2000, man.
I can be arrogant too, it aint hard!!!