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dodge took a crappy car and turbo'd it.

so what if people reply with wondering how a civic would fare in the same scenario.

 
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... Still havent been beaten by one...

 
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but just remember, to a majority of people here on the forum

civics > *

bow down.

/sarcasm

 
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yeah...those things got lotsa boost and power... i had the privledge no....the HONOR of flooring the gas pedel while in neutral....even then u can feel the power... the force literally pushes you back in your seat.

 
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH, it was a burn out contest basically!

 
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thats why i was trying to get you guys to go again........im telling you, im faster

 
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ya we need to go again maybe this weekend give me a call .

 
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neons are crapy quality wise maybe but performance wise they out do the civic. Base neon vs base civic neon is faster. 95 neon is what 132hp when a 95 civic was what 110?

and dont say ill get him in the twisties because neons also out handle civics.
yes the car was crapy quality wise but at least respect the performance and what we have been able to do with them for normally half the cost of what you do to mod your civic.

I actually like to hear about civics that are fast because that means the builder actually did somthing right.

 
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^got any legit sources that neon's are better cars over the civic in the twisties?

 
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Well, if it's any indication, a stock Si can hold .82g on the skidpad, while the srt-4 .86g.

 
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http://www.allpar.com/neon/scca.html

 
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actually no they don't. you're wrong on both instances. a civic is faster than a non-srt4 neon.

and in the "twisties" the neon gets owned there too. look at the auto-x results for d-stock. civics beat neons all the time and the majority of the time.

 
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no he doesn't cuz if you look at auto-x results, they don't support his argument at all.

 
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SEASON ROAD RACING PRO RALLY PRO SOLO SOLO II SUPER SOLO
1994 . . Steve Brolliar (ES) Steve Brolliar (ES), Jean Kinser (ESL) .
1995 Erich Heuschele (SSC) . . . Lynne Rothney-Kozlak (DSL)
1996 Paul Bonacorsi (SSC) . . Brian Priebe (DS), Lynne Rothney-Kozlak (DSL), Wendi Allen (ESL) Lynne Rothney-Kozlak (DSL)
1997 Neal Sapp (SSC) K. Kaumeheiwa (P) Mark Daddio (DS), Steve Brolliar (ES) Mark Chiles (DS), Laura Molleker (DSL), Jean Kinser (ESL) Jean Kinser (ESL)
1998 . Trevor Donison (P) Mark Daddio (DS), Steve Brolliar (ES) Mark Daddio (DS), Laura Molleker (DSL) Steve Brolliar (ES)
1999 . . Mark Daddio (P5), Steve Wynne (ST), Tim Dennison (DS), Jerrette Zoner (L1) Mark Daddio (DS), Laura Molleker (DSL) Mark Daddio (DS)
2000 . . Danny Shields (DS),
Steve Wynne (STS)
Danny Shields (DS),
Lynn Collins (DSL)
.
2001 . . Mark Daddio (DSP) Mark Daddio (DSP),
Ann Heller (DSL)
.




1995 honda civic 0==60 8.8 1/4 = 16.8
1995 dodge neon 0==60 8.0 1/4 =16.2

 
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2004 SCCA National Championship Results

Sanction No. IDC-04-S
Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course
2.258 Mile Road Course Monday September 20, 2004
Ovr Car
Pos No. Driver/Hometown/Div/Region Sponsor Make/Model Fast Lap
1 76 Jim Daniels/Germantown/TN/ MW/MidS 04 Mazda 3 1:48.465
2 7 Bill Hagerty/Escondido/CA/ SP/SanD Kumho Tires/Gemini Consulting 99 Honda Civic 1:48.983
3 41 Roger Schroer/Zanesfield/OH/ CN/OhV Hankook Tire 99 Honda Civic 1:49.062
4 3 Joseph McClughan/New Braunfiels/TX/ SW/Hous Mazdaspeed Motorsports 01 MazdaProtege 1:49.208
5 56 Ryan Ciechanski/Sterling Heights/MI/ CN/Det DPR Racing/CIE Motorsports 00 Honda Civic 1:49.232
6 5 Ken Payson/Worcester/MA/ NE/NEng Hoosier/Red Line Oil 99 Honda Civic 1:49.269
7 48 Eric Van Cleef/Huntsville/AL/ SE/TnnV TRD/Toyota Motorsports/Red Lin 03 Toyota Celic 1:49.351
8 16 Tom Long/Raleigh/NC/ SE/NCar Kumho Tires/G3 Systems 00 Honda Civic 1:49.422
9 31 John Saucier/Midwest City/OK/ MW/Okla Mazda/Kumho 97 Mazda Protégé 1:49.507
10 14 Ali Naimi/San Jose/CA/ NP/Ore Kumho/Mazda 97 Mazda Protégé 1:49.807
11 43 Pete Taylor/Ortonville/MI/ CN/Det Hankook Tire/Sky Tek Engineeri 02 Dodge Neon
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SCCA Northeast Division (NEDIV)
Solo II Divisional
July 11-13, 2003

Class: D-STOCK
1t 160/DS SHAWN MUNDIS > 83.862 <
01 ACURA INTEGRA TY
SAT: 1) 43.155 2) 43.842 3) 43.031
SUN: 1) 40.831 2) 40.994 + 1 3) 41.279

2t 60/DS VERNON ANDERSON > 84.431 <
01 ACURA INTEGRA TY
SAT: 1) 44.875 + 1 2) 43.454 3) 43.612
SUN: 1) 41.109 2) 40.977 3) 41.496 + 3

3t 71/DS DALE HERRON > 84.519 <
98 ACURA INTEGRA TY
SAT: 1) 43.716 2) 44.410 + 1 3) 42.976
SUN: 1) 41.655 + 1 2) 41.587 3) 41.543

4. 90/DS BARRY DUVALL > 89.630 <
02 ACURA RSX TYPE-S
SAT: 1) 47.096 2) 46.576 3) 46.320
SUN: 1) 44.085 2) 43.310 3) 47.075

5. 29/DS ROBERT KILLMER > 90.349 <
02 SUBARU WRX
SAT: 1) 48.606 2) 46.799 3) 46.536 + 2
SUN: 1) 44.978 + 1 2) 44.411 3) 43.550

6. 37/DS MATTHEW MCKEAN > 95.083 <
03 SUBARU WRX
SAT: 1) 48.958 2) 48.595 3) 48.899
SUN: 1) 46.803 2) 46.488 3) 57.466 + 1

7. 10/DS RON ROSE > 95.355 <
01 BMW 330I
SAT: 1) 48.944 + 2 2) 49.435 3) 49.393
SUN: 1) 47.110 2) 45.810 O/C 3) 45.962

8. 11/DS MICHAEL OVSEN > 95.968 <
03 DODGE NEON SRT-4
SAT: 1) 52.651 2) 50.206 3) 49.594
SUN: 1) 48.295 2) 49.636 3) 46.374

 
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for every race you can find that has a neon winning, I can find 3 that have civics beating them.

 
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look at actual numbers drivers get, not what some mag posts. gg mag racing.

 
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I just wanted to post this one again. Just so my point would sink in. This was a NATIONAL SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP RACE. And look at that, whaddaya know. 4 civics place before a single neon even did.

 
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^ to support that, right now in SSC (Showrooom Stock C) the Civic Si's (99-00?) are the top dogs... (Same class as the NEON ACR) Though it should be noted that in the early to mid 90's the ACR was one of the better Showroom stock Cars.... But then your looking at a car that came with Koni Adjustible dampers Stock, with Sloted struts to allow for massive camber changes Stock and a whole lot of other Race specific parts "Stock".... Dodge basically built the ACR to be a club Race car.. (ACR stood for American Club Racer) where as all the other cars were actually the same ones you would see on the street. (Dodge didnt really advertise the ACR, in fact if you werent in to Club racing, you'd probably never know it exzisted)

Some Nice photos from the 2004 SCCA runoffs (National Finals) of SSC http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm...e=pa&pa_id=490

For autocross... a few years ago they made a decent G-stock car (ACR only)... but ever since the Late modle Celica GT and the mini Cooper showed up they are mediocre at best..

Once again, Its important to Note that the ONLY neon thats been fairly sucessfull in motorsports was the ACR. And as noted earlier; Dodge built the car specifically for Racing (Club or autocross), and Dodge backed it with a Generous Contingency plan, which probably bosted its popularity in club racing and probably its success.

 
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the facts are indeed on your side about the neon acr, but isnt that the same with the si? isnt the only really sucessful civic the 99 00 si? I know the new ka motors are not really stepping it but inthe past the performance model civic is the only sucessful one just like the performance model neon. So in the end nieth maybe superior but really there about equal? Yes i admit iw as wrong saying the neon is superior to the civic but i was getting pissed off, but really there prolly more of a close match than anything else.

 
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I wouldnt really call the ACR as an equivelant to the Si... and I dont mean Equivelant in performance, as they are pretty well matched cars on track. I mean they arnt equivelant in their designed pourpous. simply because the Si was designed as performace Street car and the ACR was designed specificly with Racing in mind. But maybe thats not what you ment.

as far as the only really sucessefull civic being the 99-00 civic... well if you keep to Showroom stock then ya, its the only one. Extend your view in to improve tourning... and alot more civics and civic based cars (CRX) show up. Note that the older Neons have just been legalized for Improved touring this year, so it will be interesting to see how they perform in their respective classes. All in all, from its inception the Neon ACR has proven sucessfull in alot of the racing its leagal in, but you have to realize... Dodge had to Specialize the chassis in order to pull it off. So, an ACR is a good track car, but to say that the Non ACR neon is a good track car because of it would be incorrect.. Because Dodge had to change alot of parts to make the Neon a Good track car. Now, If dodge came out with an SRT-4 ACR.... that would be a car I'd have to seriously consider..... But I can tell you I wouldnt want it for my daily driver (The old ACR was pretty much a rattle can on the street....)

 
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there is not if its already done the srt4 acr is a production car, it comes in white now...

 
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Sweet... now if they would only make more then the planed 1000.....



Edit: I guess Dodge wants to win T2 this year.... Rather then 4th and 6th.

 
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^^ lol what is this "winning" you speak of

 
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I believe the saying is "Even a blind squirrle finds a nut ocationally..."

Funny annicdote from last nights meet, I was talking to some frineds about the SRT-4, and One of them mentioned that the SRT-4 reminds them of the old F4 Phantom.... Not so much because it was fast or any thing, but simply becuse the F4 was Proof that with enough thrust, even a brick can fly...

 
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Haha, you forgot to mention you got to ride in the SRT-4 i owned for a few days @19psi a while back!!

 
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and the one you floored was mine! haha

 
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/\/\/\ O yea... my bad... i thot i had mentioned that... who could forget that day??? it was the greatest!! 19 Psi ROKS!!!!

 
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peaked at 22psi....... i wish i could have afforded it