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Tonight, I beat a turbo mitsubishi eclipse at 6psi. He said he had only 6lbs of boost because his fuel is having trouble. He had "no cat" and a huge *** exhaust. his was 5spd.
we first went at the light i didn spray and i was about 2 cars behind him by 2nd. starting on third gear I sprayed and wiped him like nothing. His turbo sucked. we went couple freeway runs but he cheated by starting off first and i couldnt find him. later i found him on the freeway so i go up right behind him and he downshifts and goes, while I downshift to 4th and spray, beat him like nothing again, 5th gear spray til 130 mph and he was way back. He told me his car wont go pas 120. after that we exited I waited for him again at the liight making sure were both in front which we were.
The last race, we were at a stoplight and I had my wot switch on from first gear. We both had good launch but after 3k rpms, he started to fade away. I sprayed til like end of 3rd gear and he was no where to be found. I got his number and he gave me his number so next week when he gets a better set-up he can race me again.
Nitrous>turbo (sometimes)
EDIT: oh yeah, he also told me he like my car better when his car is dohc with more bhp. He also asked me some newb question saying he cant lower his car as much as mines. I shouldve slapped his *** that moment. I gave him my homies buisness card so he can buy **** from there and know what mods are out there for his car. He just a newbi with turbo. Easiest turbo kill yet....
we first went at the light i didn spray and i was about 2 cars behind him by 2nd. starting on third gear I sprayed and wiped him like nothing. His turbo sucked. we went couple freeway runs but he cheated by starting off first and i couldnt find him. later i found him on the freeway so i go up right behind him and he downshifts and goes, while I downshift to 4th and spray, beat him like nothing again, 5th gear spray til 130 mph and he was way back. He told me his car wont go pas 120. after that we exited I waited for him again at the liight making sure were both in front which we were.
The last race, we were at a stoplight and I had my wot switch on from first gear. We both had good launch but after 3k rpms, he started to fade away. I sprayed til like end of 3rd gear and he was no where to be found. I got his number and he gave me his number so next week when he gets a better set-up he can race me again.
Nitrous>turbo (sometimes)
EDIT: oh yeah, he also told me he like my car better when his car is dohc with more bhp. He also asked me some newb question saying he cant lower his car as much as mines. I shouldve slapped his *** that moment. I gave him my homies buisness card so he can buy **** from there and know what mods are out there for his car. He just a newbi with turbo. Easiest turbo kill yet....
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Rep Power: 289 man, anything over 130 spraying is scary. It seems as if the car will blow. at 130 mph my cars rpm is right below 6500. thats why im scared to spray more because I dont want to over do it which its already overduing.
I hope my bottle isnt nearly empty. I just refilled yesterday morning and already tonight I used it over 10 times just to race one guy.
I hope my bottle isnt nearly empty. I just refilled yesterday morning and already tonight I used it over 10 times just to race one guy.
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Rep Power: 289 no, he was running better at 6psi. anything over he has fuel problems at least thats what he said.
and nitrous does own turbo in the begining but in the end turbo will win if its good enough.
and nitrous does own turbo in the begining but in the end turbo will win if its good enough.
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Rep Power: 289 No I have ultra high performance z rated tires. ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND OR SOMETHING?
I clearly wrote, " nitrous>turbo (somtimes)". damn read before you say stupid ****
I clearly wrote, " nitrous>turbo (somtimes)". damn read before you say stupid ****
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Rep Power: 289 also, if turbo owns, then how did i beat my friends junkyard turbo civic at 10psi with all ignition upgrades exhaust 13" rims.
of course turbo is better because you are paying nearly 4 grand installed or more while I paid 500 for my complete edelbrock nitrous kit and paid my friend about a bill to help me do a good install.
Now how can you say turbo owns nitrous anyday. I only spend 600 total for nitrous and could take some turbos most swaps.
of course turbo is better because you are paying nearly 4 grand installed or more while I paid 500 for my complete edelbrock nitrous kit and paid my friend about a bill to help me do a good install.
Now how can you say turbo owns nitrous anyday. I only spend 600 total for nitrous and could take some turbos most swaps.
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one BIG word on why turbo > nitrous:
reliability
nitrous will do A LOT more wear and tear on your engine. ever seen a piston get burned through? yeah. if you dont get some aftermarket internals, and you keep using your nitrous as much as you are you're going to burn through a piston or piston ring pretty quickly. and when that happens? I hope you have enough money to get a new block.
that's why turbo owns. overall reliability.
I would advise against anything over a 60-shot on an otherwise stock civic D17.
also, nitrous is the same amount of power the entire time, whether you are at 2000rpm or 6000rpm. makes it harder to get launching, timing, and overall traction issues worked out.
Also, your profile under engine modifications says "boosted". when you're not.
reliability
nitrous will do A LOT more wear and tear on your engine. ever seen a piston get burned through? yeah. if you dont get some aftermarket internals, and you keep using your nitrous as much as you are you're going to burn through a piston or piston ring pretty quickly. and when that happens? I hope you have enough money to get a new block.
that's why turbo owns. overall reliability.
I would advise against anything over a 60-shot on an otherwise stock civic D17.
also, nitrous is the same amount of power the entire time, whether you are at 2000rpm or 6000rpm. makes it harder to get launching, timing, and overall traction issues worked out.
Also, your profile under engine modifications says "boosted". when you're not.
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Originally Posted by Civic_RedLine
No I have ultra high performance z rated tires. ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND OR SOMETHING?
I clearly wrote, " nitrous>turbo (somtimes)". damn read before you say stupid ****
I clearly wrote, " nitrous>turbo (somtimes)". damn read before you say stupid ****
What kind of tires are they anyways? size? brand? model?
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Rep Power: 289 how is nitrous gonna do alot more damage when its not on all the time like turbo is.
Turbo is just as dangerous as nitrous. BTW 80 shots is recommended setting if you dont know. anything over 80 Edelbrock does not recommend. Ive also seen more idiots blow their **** up with turbo than with nitrous. The only way you will blow the engine using nitrous if you jet too high or by misuse.
no **** nitrous is the same all the time. thats why you practice launching. I dont launch pedal to the floor, i let it go slowly then when its going i press it.
Turbo is just as dangerous as nitrous. BTW 80 shots is recommended setting if you dont know. anything over 80 Edelbrock does not recommend. Ive also seen more idiots blow their **** up with turbo than with nitrous. The only way you will blow the engine using nitrous if you jet too high or by misuse.
no **** nitrous is the same all the time. thats why you practice launching. I dont launch pedal to the floor, i let it go slowly then when its going i press it.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
one BIG word on why turbo > nitrous:
reliability
nitrous will do A LOT more wear and tear on your engine. ever seen a piston get burned through? yeah. if you dont get some aftermarket internals, and you keep using your nitrous as much as you are you're going to burn through a piston or piston ring pretty quickly. and when that happens? I hope you have enough money to get a new block.
that's why turbo owns. overall reliability.
I would advise against anything over a 60-shot on an otherwise stock civic D17.
also, nitrous is the same amount of power the entire time, whether you are at 2000rpm or 6000rpm. makes it harder to get launching, timing, and overall traction issues worked out.
Also, your profile under engine modifications says "boosted". when you're not.
reliability
nitrous will do A LOT more wear and tear on your engine. ever seen a piston get burned through? yeah. if you dont get some aftermarket internals, and you keep using your nitrous as much as you are you're going to burn through a piston or piston ring pretty quickly. and when that happens? I hope you have enough money to get a new block.
that's why turbo owns. overall reliability.
I would advise against anything over a 60-shot on an otherwise stock civic D17.
also, nitrous is the same amount of power the entire time, whether you are at 2000rpm or 6000rpm. makes it harder to get launching, timing, and overall traction issues worked out.
Also, your profile under engine modifications says "boosted". when you're not.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
"ultra high performance" Are you quoting the manufacturer? lol. Z-rated are Z-rated. period.
What kind of tires are they anyways? size? brand? model?
What kind of tires are they anyways? size? brand? model?
Anyways back to nitrous. Its the stupid people that blow their engines up making us nitrous users look bad and/or making nitrous look bad period..
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its yokohama avs es100 with lightweight 16" rims for rotor fitment. 205-60-16wr something like that. DOnt expect me to be correct because I forgot and dont want to go outside to the car to look.
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awesome, nice beat. what shot are you spraying?
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Rep Power: 289 ok im not going to lie. Through experience I learned how nitrous could be dangerous. It is dangerous if you newb so I dont suggest you go out and buy a nitrous kit if you have no info whatsoever on how to work it and what each different company has to offer you. I did almost blow my motor up twice. Once from checking to make sure the nitrous works properly and once fron just daily driving.
One thing all nitrous users should know is that if the ignitions starts revving up by itself, you need to turn off the ignition asap. as soon as you notice. Even if you wait lets say couple seconds, the engine will be toast. my **** redlined once and dint explod so I was lucky. lets change the subject now please, this thread was about a race not about how reliable nitrous turbo is.
thank you all
One thing all nitrous users should know is that if the ignitions starts revving up by itself, you need to turn off the ignition asap. as soon as you notice. Even if you wait lets say couple seconds, the engine will be toast. my **** redlined once and dint explod so I was lucky. lets change the subject now please, this thread was about a race not about how reliable nitrous turbo is.
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Rep Power: 0 you got some issues attacking one of the people on this site that actualy knows what hes talking about. s2000man probably has more driving talent and knowhow in his little pinkey then you do in your whole body.
time and time again we have seen people blow things with there nitros set up that have been doing it for years and actualy know what they are doing. infact one of the main people that every one looked to for info on nitros destoryed is intake shaterded it into a thousand peices.
and you know what i would take a 230hp turboed civic that has the power there all the time all day long over some dumb thing that you need to not only keep paying for but can also be very unstabe and only there part of the time. he never said turboes will never add wear on the engen just not as bad.
you need to read up on turbo systems more if you think nitros is better then turbo or how about read maximum boost by corky bell to learn about how a turbo works and how it wont do all that much extra damage. i wish you lived around here so some of the turboed civics would make you eat your words
time and time again we have seen people blow things with there nitros set up that have been doing it for years and actualy know what they are doing. infact one of the main people that every one looked to for info on nitros destoryed is intake shaterded it into a thousand peices.
and you know what i would take a 230hp turboed civic that has the power there all the time all day long over some dumb thing that you need to not only keep paying for but can also be very unstabe and only there part of the time. he never said turboes will never add wear on the engen just not as bad.
you need to read up on turbo systems more if you think nitros is better then turbo or how about read maximum boost by corky bell to learn about how a turbo works and how it wont do all that much extra damage. i wish you lived around here so some of the turboed civics would make you eat your words
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Originally Posted by Civic_RedLine
how the hell nitrous gonna do alot more damage when its not on all the time like turbo is. Have you used nitrous? have you used turbo to determine all this by yourself?
Turbo is just as dangerous as nitrous. BTW 80 shots is recommended setting if you dont know. anything over 80 Edelbrock does not recommend. Ive also seen more idiots blow their **** up with turbo than with nitrous.
PLEASE LISTEN EVERYONE THIS MAN IS A JOKE, he thinks turbo wont do any harm while nitrous would blow the engine. Quit watching fast and the furious. The only way you will blow the engine using nitrous if you jet too high or by misuse.
no **** nitrous is the same all the time. thats why you practice launching. I dont launch pedal to the floor, i let it go slowly then when its going i press it.
Turbo is just as dangerous as nitrous. BTW 80 shots is recommended setting if you dont know. anything over 80 Edelbrock does not recommend. Ive also seen more idiots blow their **** up with turbo than with nitrous.
PLEASE LISTEN EVERYONE THIS MAN IS A JOKE, he thinks turbo wont do any harm while nitrous would blow the engine. Quit watching fast and the furious. The only way you will blow the engine using nitrous if you jet too high or by misuse.
no **** nitrous is the same all the time. thats why you practice launching. I dont launch pedal to the floor, i let it go slowly then when its going i press it.
I agree with you on most points, however, spraying at 130 is definitly MISUSE!! spraying past 4th gear (about 110mph) is very risky
D17+5th gear+6500rpm+spraying=
your car will break and then youll be 
then when you hear the repair costs youll go 
then youll say 
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Originally Posted by Civic_RedLine
how the hell nitrous gonna do alot more damage when its not on all the time like turbo is. Have you used nitrous? have you used turbo to determine all this by yourself?
nitrous is an oxidizer. it creates power by oxidizing the reaction/explosion that occurs in the cylinder. however, when something oxidizes, it superheats. so in other words, that explosion going on in your piston chamber is burning about 500 times HOTTER than the normal reaction. you get that boost of power, but the adverse affect is that it burns 500 times hotter.
So. no a turbo does NOT do more damage or cause less reliability than nitrous. even though nitrous is not being used all the time, it still puts an INCREDIBLE amount of stress on your pistons and your block. it increases side load more than a turbo, due to how volatile the mixture becomes almost instantaneously, and it burns so hot it will eventually burn through your pistsons or piston rings.
a turbo does NOT do this. all a turbo does is compress the intake charge going into the combustion chamber, because the denser the air, the more oxygen there is. this does NOT cause the mixture to burn any hotter. turbo compresses air, nitrous oxidizes the mixture. it's the oxidizing itself that causes the charge to burn so hot. again. this burning hotter will eat up your cylinder wall, your pistons, and your piston rings. don't believe me? use your nitrous for 2 weeks straight every time you accelerate and you'll be looking for a new block before that time is up. yet you can turbo a car and have it at 6psi all the time without ever having a problem.
Now... why shoulnd't you go above 60shot on a stock civic? although an 80 shot may work, it leans out the mixture too much, making it almost stoichmetric (13.7:1) or even leaner. Why does this happen? the injectors and ecu on the D17 cannot keep up with the oxidization level an 80-shot induces when used. this can cause detonation in the chamber from compression BEFORE the mixture can be exploded by the ignition spark. This is bad for the car too, as once again, detonation causes the explosion to fight the direction of the cylinder since it has not reached almost top dead center.
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Originally Posted by Civic_RedLine
The tires are catergorized. Its all different. Some are light performance and off-road while mine was high performance. My tires are W rated which is over 130 mph.
Anyways back to nitrous. Its the stupid people that blow their engines up making us nitrous users look bad and/or making nitrous look bad period..
heres the link:
http://www.yokohamatire.com/TireIntro.asp?TireID=9
its yokohama avs es100 with lightweight 16" rims for rotor fitment. 205-60-16wr something like that. DOnt expect me to be correct because I forgot and dont want to go outside to the car to look.
Anyways back to nitrous. Its the stupid people that blow their engines up making us nitrous users look bad and/or making nitrous look bad period..
heres the link:
http://www.yokohamatire.com/TireIntro.asp?TireID=9
its yokohama avs es100 with lightweight 16" rims for rotor fitment. 205-60-16wr something like that. DOnt expect me to be correct because I forgot and dont want to go outside to the car to look.
I knew a guy that had a wet kit in his GSR and every other time he would hit it, it would blow the tip off of his sparkplug (ZEX plugs to go with the kit) after a couple of times one of the tips found there way into the engine and FVcked **** up. Well lets just say after a head job he did not spray anymore. The key is a well set up kit most people don't have the time, $, or knowledge to set a turbo kit up well and for the most part turbos are just as reliable. A nitrous kit is just a bolt-on there are no real variables other than a wet or dry and everyone knows that a Wet is better than a dry unless up upgrade the fuel system. The thing is that most people get a turbo or nitrous kit and are expecting a super fast civic this is not the case the car is a lot faster, but not crazy fast. So eventually they get bored and begin upping the boost or the shot and push the limits and then one day clunk, clunk, pop and that is it. You are a perfect example of this phenomena I guarantee if you go through almost a bottle a day with a 80 shot, pushing 130 while spraying your engine to will go pop, you are stupid if you think otherwise. The funniest thing is that you say you don't have problems, but problems brought on by to much boost or shot are normally very sudden with little warning.
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wow, you are the most uneducated person i've ever met.
since you insist on bashing me verbally I will own you with a simple science lesson.
nitrous is an oxidizer. it creates power by oxidizing the reaction/explosion that occurs in the cylinder. however, when something oxidizes, it superheats. so in other words, that explosion going on in your piston chamber is burning about 500 times HOTTER than the normal reaction. you get that boost of power, but the adverse affect is that it burns 500 times hotter.
So. no a turbo does NOT do more damage or cause less reliability than nitrous. even though nitrous is not being used all the time, it still puts an INCREDIBLE amount of stress on your pistons and your block. it increases side load more than a turbo, due to how volatile the mixture becomes almost instantaneously, and it burns so hot it will eventually burn through your pistsons or piston rings.
a turbo does NOT do this. all a turbo does is compress the intake charge going into the combustion chamber, because the denser the air, the more oxygen there is. this does NOT cause the mixture to burn any hotter. turbo compresses air, nitrous oxidizes the mixture. it's the oxidizing itself that causes the charge to burn so hot. again. this burning hotter will eat up your cylinder wall, your pistons, and your piston rings. don't believe me? use your nitrous for 2 weeks straight every time you accelerate and you'll be looking for a new block before that time is up. yet you can turbo a car and have it at 6psi all the time without ever having a problem.
Now... why shoulnd't you go above 60shot on a stock civic? although an 80 shot may work, it leans out the mixture too much, making it almost stoichmetric (13.7:1) or even leaner. Why does this happen? the injectors and ecu on the D17 cannot keep up with the oxidization level an 80-shot induces when used. this can cause detonation in the chamber from compression BEFORE the mixture can be exploded by the ignition spark. This is bad for the car too, as once again, detonation causes the explosion to fight the direction of the cylinder since it has not reached almost top dead center.
Now... before you go shooting your mouth off accusing someone of not knowing wtf they are talking about, YOU may want to stop watching too much fast and furious yourself. Hate to say it, but you're way out of your league.
since you insist on bashing me verbally I will own you with a simple science lesson.
nitrous is an oxidizer. it creates power by oxidizing the reaction/explosion that occurs in the cylinder. however, when something oxidizes, it superheats. so in other words, that explosion going on in your piston chamber is burning about 500 times HOTTER than the normal reaction. you get that boost of power, but the adverse affect is that it burns 500 times hotter.
So. no a turbo does NOT do more damage or cause less reliability than nitrous. even though nitrous is not being used all the time, it still puts an INCREDIBLE amount of stress on your pistons and your block. it increases side load more than a turbo, due to how volatile the mixture becomes almost instantaneously, and it burns so hot it will eventually burn through your pistsons or piston rings.
a turbo does NOT do this. all a turbo does is compress the intake charge going into the combustion chamber, because the denser the air, the more oxygen there is. this does NOT cause the mixture to burn any hotter. turbo compresses air, nitrous oxidizes the mixture. it's the oxidizing itself that causes the charge to burn so hot. again. this burning hotter will eat up your cylinder wall, your pistons, and your piston rings. don't believe me? use your nitrous for 2 weeks straight every time you accelerate and you'll be looking for a new block before that time is up. yet you can turbo a car and have it at 6psi all the time without ever having a problem.
Now... why shoulnd't you go above 60shot on a stock civic? although an 80 shot may work, it leans out the mixture too much, making it almost stoichmetric (13.7:1) or even leaner. Why does this happen? the injectors and ecu on the D17 cannot keep up with the oxidization level an 80-shot induces when used. this can cause detonation in the chamber from compression BEFORE the mixture can be exploded by the ignition spark. This is bad for the car too, as once again, detonation causes the explosion to fight the direction of the cylinder since it has not reached almost top dead center.
Now... before you go shooting your mouth off accusing someone of not knowing wtf they are talking about, YOU may want to stop watching too much fast and furious yourself. Hate to say it, but you're way out of your league.
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fyi, you should not get a wet kit on a stock civic. don't get a wet nitrous system unless you upgrade your internals.
sorry S2k you are not correct, a wet kit is better because it adds more fuel to prevent a lean condition. That is the only difference.http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=100899
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Rep Power: 400 a stock civic ECU and injectors can inject enough fuel to cover about a 60-75 shot of nitrous. 75 is pushing it but it might still be ok for gingerly usage.
however, with a wet system on a stock civic, spraying a 75 shot or less, you will actually do the OPPOSITE of making it too lean. instead, the mixture becomes too rich, and may flood the combustion chamber and the mixture may detonate late or not at all. this would actually be worse than running too lean.
I wish i was around when he wrote that faq. they should make an addendum stating what I just posted about the wet nitrous systems.
however, with a wet system on a stock civic, spraying a 75 shot or less, you will actually do the OPPOSITE of making it too lean. instead, the mixture becomes too rich, and may flood the combustion chamber and the mixture may detonate late or not at all. this would actually be worse than running too lean.
I wish i was around when he wrote that faq. they should make an addendum stating what I just posted about the wet nitrous systems.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
a stock civic ECU and injectors can inject enough fuel to cover about a 60-75 shot of nitrous. 75 is pushing it but it might still be ok for gingerly usage.
however, with a wet system on a stock civic, spraying a 75 shot or less, you will actually do the OPPOSITE of making it too lean. instead, the mixture becomes too rich, and may flood the combustion chamber and the mixture may detonate late or not at all. this would actually be worse than running too lean.
I wish i was around when he wrote that faq. they should make an addendum stating what I just posted about the wet nitrous systems.
however, with a wet system on a stock civic, spraying a 75 shot or less, you will actually do the OPPOSITE of making it too lean. instead, the mixture becomes too rich, and may flood the combustion chamber and the mixture may detonate late or not at all. this would actually be worse than running too lean.
I wish i was around when he wrote that faq. they should make an addendum stating what I just posted about the wet nitrous systems.
