This just in: 04VP beats 04 SI and 3000GT non-turbo
Originally Posted by Redline04
It's worth it to me, I'm aiming for mid 15's and trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of this car with minimal mods(for now). I only paid $13000 for this car brand new. Put $1500 into the motor. So to me a mid 15 sec brand new reliable car for under $15000 isn't a bad deal. Im not trying to be the fastest out there. There is always someone faster. It's just a hobby. A slow step by step process. When I bought the car it ran 17.0 flat. My goal is to take this car from 17's all the way to 12's. That is the goal I set for myself. It's not gonna happen over night, but thats what makes it fun.
also, ditch the aem v2 ... that's killin ya
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I know I really regret not getting the spoon sw388, but the rims I have now look so good. I'm thinking of getting a set of those Weld draglight (6lbs) with some DR's upfront for the strip/street and keep my current rims for SCCA once I upgrade my brakes and suspension.
Originally Posted by Redline04
It's worth it to me, I'm aiming for mid 15's and trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of this car with minimal mods(for now). I only paid $13000 for this car brand new. Put $1500 into the motor. So to me a mid 15 sec brand new reliable car for under $15000 isn't a bad deal. Im not trying to be the fastest out there. There is always someone faster. It's just a hobby. A slow step by step process. When I bought the car it ran 17.0 flat. My goal is to take this "econo" car from 17's all the way to 12's. That is the goal I set for myself. It's not gonna happen over night, but thats what makes it fun.
Realize this: the civic is a commuter car. Just enjoy it for what it does best... getting people comfortably from point A to B.
If you wanted a "true driver's car". You could've just bought an older, previous gen civic and dropped a B-series engine in it. It would be lighter, better handling, have a wayyyy better engine compared to your D-17, and cost you much less money too. Oh, and stripping the hell out of it on the inside with your so-called "weight reduction" won't matter as much because you'd be doing this to a car which is way less in value anyway.
It's frustrating seeing how ppl rip out their interiors of their brand new cars just because they have this certain mindset that lightening their cars will drastically improve its performance. Weight reduction does work to some degree...but then again, it defeats the purpose of buying a new car in the first place. But then again, hey it's your car and your money...do what you want.
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All that weight reduction seems pretty pointless to me though. You bought a brand new car which is reliable and well made for its purpose (getting from point A to point B). It does so while getting excellent gas mileage. Why rip out the interior pieces and AC system to make it into a "race" car? I'm sure your car is uncomfortable as hell to ride in now, with all the interior panels, backseats and whatnot gone.
Realize this: the civic is a commuter car. Just enjoy it for what it does best... getting people comfortably from point A to B.
If you wanted a "true driver's car". You could've just bought an older, previous gen civic and dropped a B-series engine in it. It would be lighter, better handling, have a wayyyy better engine compared to your D-17, and cost you much less money too. Oh, and stripping the hell out of it on the inside with your so-called "weight reduction" won't matter as much because you'd be doing this to a car which is way less in value anyway.
It's frustrating seeing how ppl rip out their interiors of their brand new cars just because they have this certain mindset that lightening their cars will drastically improve its performance. Weight reduction does work to some degree...but then again, it defeats the purpose of buying a new car in the first place. But then again, hey it's your car and your money...do what you want.
Realize this: the civic is a commuter car. Just enjoy it for what it does best... getting people comfortably from point A to B.
If you wanted a "true driver's car". You could've just bought an older, previous gen civic and dropped a B-series engine in it. It would be lighter, better handling, have a wayyyy better engine compared to your D-17, and cost you much less money too. Oh, and stripping the hell out of it on the inside with your so-called "weight reduction" won't matter as much because you'd be doing this to a car which is way less in value anyway.
It's frustrating seeing how ppl rip out their interiors of their brand new cars just because they have this certain mindset that lightening their cars will drastically improve its performance. Weight reduction does work to some degree...but then again, it defeats the purpose of buying a new car in the first place. But then again, hey it's your car and your money...do what you want.
#2 Never said anything about a "true drivers car".
#3 Yeah buying it new might have been a dumb Idea, but I like having a new car. I know where it's been and I can properly maintain it from day one. If it breaks it's my fault for being too rough. Anyway I got it now and plan to keep it for a while and make the best out of a this so called "economy car" that everyone loves to bash and trash.
#4 Never said it would drastically improve the performance, but 2-4 tenths in the 1/4 is a pretty big gap when it come's to racing and worth it to me.
sorry if I misled you when I said motor, I only have the bolt-ons listed in my profile.
Originally Posted by Redline04
#1 I thought I just explained why I did it.
#2 Never said anything about a "true drivers car".
#3 Yeah buying it new might have been a dumb Idea, but I like having a new car. I know where it's been and I can properly maintain it from day one. If it breaks it's my fault for being too rough. Anyway I got it now and plan to keep it for a while and make the best out of a this so called "economy car" that everyone loves to bash and trash.
#4 Never said it would drastically improve the performance, but 2-4 tenths in the 1/4 is a pretty big gap when it come's to racing and worth it to me.
sorry if I misled you when I said motor, I only have the bolt-ons listed in my profile.
#2 Never said anything about a "true drivers car".
#3 Yeah buying it new might have been a dumb Idea, but I like having a new car. I know where it's been and I can properly maintain it from day one. If it breaks it's my fault for being too rough. Anyway I got it now and plan to keep it for a while and make the best out of a this so called "economy car" that everyone loves to bash and trash.
#4 Never said it would drastically improve the performance, but 2-4 tenths in the 1/4 is a pretty big gap when it come's to racing and worth it to me.
sorry if I misled you when I said motor, I only have the bolt-ons listed in my profile.
#2.) Well, the "driver's car" part was in relation to you resorting to measures such as stripping the car in order to make it more performance oriented.
#3.) Never said that buying a car new was a dumb idea. In my opinion, what's dumb is stripping a brand new car's interior panels, back seats, and AC system.
#4.) It may be worth it to you, just I don't see how. You have to deal with having a noisy, uncomfortable ride, which looks bare on the inside, only seats one person, not to mention not having any AC on hot *** days. All that hassle on a car with an engine that responds poorly to mods and is built for commuting and fuel efficiency.
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There aren't many mods for his engine.
And he his making his car with the bare bones that it needs like the old school dudes use to with hot rod and motorcycles.
Not everyone can go shell out 23 k for a type S. He paid 13 for a VP. Which is a very good deal, and everything on the car is good, engine, chassis suspension.....the darn thing is new!
Anyhow lighter cars handle better. 200-300 pounds is a very big deal.
His car might be a daily commuter in some peoples minds, pratically has the same platform as an RSX and will own its *** on an auto X track. Freaking thing is light light!!!
There aren't many mods for his engine.
And he his making his car with the bare bones that it needs like the old school dudes use to with hot rod and motorcycles.
Not everyone can go shell out 23 k for a type S. He paid 13 for a VP. Which is a very good deal, and everything on the car is good, engine, chassis suspension.....the darn thing is new!
Anyhow lighter cars handle better. 200-300 pounds is a very big deal.
His car might be a daily commuter in some peoples minds, pratically has the same platform as an RSX and will own its *** on an auto X track. Freaking thing is light light!!!
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gimme a break! I see MILFS with automatic Z3s.
Not everyone needs an engine that hasa potential to push 350 + hp.
Maybe all he needs is 200 hp and he will own almost anything in most driving situations. Except at the 1/4 mile track. You can boost a d17 a2. and if you can reduce the weight to 2100 pounds everyone better watch the fu*k out, even at the drag strip!
gimme a break! I see MILFS with automatic Z3s.
Not everyone needs an engine that hasa potential to push 350 + hp.
Maybe all he needs is 200 hp and he will own almost anything in most driving situations. Except at the 1/4 mile track. You can boost a d17 a2. and if you can reduce the weight to 2100 pounds everyone better watch the fu*k out, even at the drag strip!
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Originally Posted by nindoo
You can boost a d17 a2. and if you can reduce the weight to 2100 pounds everyone better watch the fu*k out, even at the drag strip!
D17a2......check!
Boost......(coming soon) Check!
Weight reduction..............hmmmmm, maybe......
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I just think is funny that they all cant believe that is is POSSIBLE to beat an SI not saying that they are slow but they need to be modded to be fast, or like the guy I ran in Darkside with a B16 in a yellow hatch...his was nice but stock to lightly modded
I just think is funny that they all cant believe that is is POSSIBLE to beat an SI not saying that they are slow but they need to be modded to be fast, or like the guy I ran in Darkside with a B16 in a yellow hatch...his was nice but stock to lightly modded
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Originally Posted by nindoo
I'm not an enthusiasts cause I didn't go out and buy a Z3, or a premade suped up car like a mazda speed protege.
gimme a break! I see MILFS with automatic Z3s.
Not everyone needs an engine that hasa potential to push 350 + hp.
Maybe all he needs is 200 hp and he will own almost anything in most driving situations. Except at the 1/4 mile track. You can boost a d17 a2. and if you can reduce the weight to 2100 pounds everyone better watch the fu*k out, even at the drag strip!
gimme a break! I see MILFS with automatic Z3s.
Not everyone needs an engine that hasa potential to push 350 + hp.
Maybe all he needs is 200 hp and he will own almost anything in most driving situations. Except at the 1/4 mile track. You can boost a d17 a2. and if you can reduce the weight to 2100 pounds everyone better watch the fu*k out, even at the drag strip!
Look at the new elise. 1975lbs open differential, 166 RWHP = low 13's.
Now I know the gearing is different and it's rear wheel drive, but I think a 2100lbs civic pushing 185 WHP could produce those same numbers with a good driver. (SF kit 8PSI). Slap on slicks and there's my 12's.
I'm just having fun. It's a challenge. At the same time I'm waiting for something better to come along. Greddy maybe? Hey people said they would never make a hondata ecu for our cars and look now they are working on it. (Can't Wait!!)I'm not rich. I'm in the military, I have a mortgage, investments, go to school and a wife. So I can't just go out and drop 5 g's overnight on a turbo setup or buy a brand new EVO or STI .
The way I look at it, I'm stuck in Shitport La. Nothing to do but get drunk and gamble. I'm not into that crap. Instead I put the money most people spend on alcohol, cigarettes and gambling into my car and have fun racing.
Can you see my point of a little clearer now.
Wow this thing got way off topic but i hope you understand my reasons a little better now. If not oh well. I'm just having fun. And that's what it is all about to me in the end.
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Can a 240 sx 1990 with an sr20det do 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I had a hard time beleiving that a 240 sx with a 250 hp engine could do it. I mean a Ferrari 360 Challenge stradale which weighs almost the same as our vics does something like 12.4.
Is the 240sx owner brain damaged?
Can a 240 sx 1990 with an sr20det do 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I had a hard time beleiving that a 240 sx with a 250 hp engine could do it. I mean a Ferrari 360 Challenge stradale which weighs almost the same as our vics does something like 12.4.
Is the 240sx owner brain damaged?
True... i'm not hating on you for having fun with your car. Like I said before, it's your car and your money...do what you want with it. Hope i've clarified enough so you understand why i cringe at the sight of a brand new car being gutted for "performance" purposes.
However, that being said, there's no comparison between a civic and an elise. Sometimes i guess ppl just forget that the lotus is built and engineered with performance in mind. Lightweight, mid-engine, RWD... total opposite of a FWD economy coupe/sedan.
However, that being said, there's no comparison between a civic and an elise. Sometimes i guess ppl just forget that the lotus is built and engineered with performance in mind. Lightweight, mid-engine, RWD... total opposite of a FWD economy coupe/sedan.
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Off topic question.
Can a 240 sx 1990 with an sr20det do 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I had a hard time beleiving that a 240 sx with a 250 hp engine could do it. I mean a Ferrari 360 Challenge stradale which weighs almost the same as our vics does something like 12.4.
Is the 240sx owner brain damaged?
Can a 240 sx 1990 with an sr20det do 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I had a hard time beleiving that a 240 sx with a 250 hp engine could do it. I mean a Ferrari 360 Challenge stradale which weighs almost the same as our vics does something like 12.4.
Is the 240sx owner brain damaged?
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Originally Posted by Rsxtc
However, that being said, there's no comparison between a civic and an elise. Sometimes i guess ppl just forget that the lotus is built and engineered with performance in mind. Lightweight, mid-engine, RWD... total opposite of a FWD economy coupe/sedan.
Very good point.
But again he's working with what he got. If we could all afford those nice cars like lotus exiges we wouldn't come to these forums trying to find find ways to scrape a few Horsepowers here and there.
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Rep Power: 0 nindoo, with enough mods you could get a lot more than 250hp out of an SR20, there have been instances of SR20s pushing 400hp.
Also, don't forget that a lot of people have managed to shoehorn assorted RB series engines out of the hood that can also produce quite a bit of HP and easily break into the 12s.
Here is a drawn-out discussion on the dif. motors if you're interested, (though it kind of goes to hell towards the end).: http://www.nissanforums.com/archive/...p/t-27684.html
Also, don't forget that a lot of people have managed to shoehorn assorted RB series engines out of the hood that can also produce quite a bit of HP and easily break into the 12s.
Here is a drawn-out discussion on the dif. motors if you're interested, (though it kind of goes to hell towards the end).: http://www.nissanforums.com/archive/...p/t-27684.html
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Off topic question.
Can a 240 sx 1990 with an sr20det do 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I had a hard time beleiving that a 240 sx with a 250 hp engine could do it. I mean a Ferrari 360 Challenge stradale which weighs almost the same as our vics does something like 12.4.
Is the 240sx owner brain damaged?
Can a 240 sx 1990 with an sr20det do 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I had a hard time beleiving that a 240 sx with a 250 hp engine could do it. I mean a Ferrari 360 Challenge stradale which weighs almost the same as our vics does something like 12.4.
Is the 240sx owner brain damaged?
Damm, his site's under contruction, but check out his car sometime later:
www.jkmotorsport.net
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Jet I dont have to proove anything too these cats on here...me and my crew know whats up and that works for me....
I just think is funny that they all cant believe that is is POSSIBLE to beat an SI not saying that they are slow but they need to be modded to be fast, or like the guy I ran in Darkside with a B16 in a yellow hatch...his was nice but stock to lightly modded
I just think is funny that they all cant believe that is is POSSIBLE to beat an SI not saying that they are slow but they need to be modded to be fast, or like the guy I ran in Darkside with a B16 in a yellow hatch...his was nice but stock to lightly modded
I hear ya man....are u talking about the big dude with the yellow hatch with black front bumper? yeah I've seen that car around...so did u beat him?
if I were to do it all over again...okay if I knew then what I know now about cars , I WOULD NEVER BUY A D17....takes too much $$ to make a QUICK car....well all u need is a turbo kit I guess but still, hmmmm I dont know....I didnt know **** back when i got my car....I'm boosted and I look at my car when I just had I/E and it sucked ***!! I'm not ragging on anybody else's 7th gen but I have to admit, the 7th gen is the WORST HONDA TO DATE...all we can do is turbo it or put a K20 swap in it (which isnt bad) but consider like the 6th gen civics and older, u can put B16, B18, K20, B20's in that car and we're stuck with one motor to swap in...****ing sucks....well I think I'mma retract my statement....D17's aint that bad but thank GOD for SF turbo kits and whoever else makes turbo manifolds for the D17
....without those guys, the D17 would forever be a POS...<--- is swapping a K20A3 and boosting it in the future
<--- might do a K20A2 and N/A mods or go boost....depends on my $$ situation...I just really dont feel like throwing any more MAJOR $$ in the SOHC....sorry K20 just has TOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH POTENTIAL TO PASS ON...
sorry for jacking the thread redline....I was ranting
okay to add some credibility to this thread...there's A TON OF PEOPLE where me, redline, and 1320racing live that CANT drive....want proof...I ran 15.4 BOOSTED on 18's and alot of other weight factoring SHITT in my trunk and oh yeah I didnt know at the time but I had a LEAKING RADIATOR...it later gave out...MY TEMP GAUGE STAYED AT THE 3/4 MARK ON ALL MY RUNS...but still my best 60' that night was 2.6 I believe....2.5 or 2.6...my WORST 60' THAT NIGHT WAS 2.9xx
so yes, some of us (where we live) CANT drive....but I guarantee some mid 14's if I were to go back to the track today....that was my first time EVER and I was unprepared (it was spur of the moment and I didnt bother to get misc. shitt out my car)....oh btw, 8psi and UNTUNED and running RICHER THAN BILL GATES....yep, I know b/c I put a wideband on my car....anyway back to topic 
methanol and 10-11psi COMING SOON!!
btw, my highest mph that night was 95.XXmph
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haha. I doubt your car weighs between 2000-2100 pounds. That's an eg hatch
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Eric, I was looking for that yellow hatch last weekend. He'll probaly beat me, but it's worth another shot at an SI. That dude with the green Sol was out there. Remember how he said he wouldn't run you cause it was his mom's car? THen why did he take off all fast and **** after you and the yellow hatch raced??? HMMM?? Puss??
But he is the guy with the black sol. UghOh. Said it's in dallas getting tuned. 500plus whp! Watch out Jet!
Eric, I was looking for that yellow hatch last weekend. He'll probaly beat me, but it's worth another shot at an SI. That dude with the green Sol was out there. Remember how he said he wouldn't run you cause it was his mom's car? THen why did he take off all fast and **** after you and the yellow hatch raced??? HMMM?? Puss??
But he is the guy with the black sol. UghOh. Said it's in dallas getting tuned. 500plus whp! Watch out Jet!
i have to see to believe the one about the 04 si but i kept up with my friends 04 si until 3rd gear and he only got me about 1 car length after that so with all that wight off and the mods probably but i'd have to see to believe. also u have to b a good driver to do that. i believe u can make the car that light keep it up
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Rep Power: 0 ^^What prelude...1320 prelude...maybe in about 4 months he's in IRAQ with Erik B. Hahaha. They can race camels together. The yellow darkside hatch will beat you he pulled pretty good through 2nd and 3rd while I smacked myself in the face with my redline f'd up that run. But I didnt know that I was running him I thought it was the Del Sol. Oh well. I just thought it was funny that they talked **** about me and my car but wouldnt say **** to my face. Punks. That Black Del Sol was quick before now its going to be Straight MEAN.
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Originally Posted by 1320Racing
^^What prelude...1320 prelude...maybe in about 4 months he's in IRAQ with Erik B. Hahaha. They can race camels together. The yellow darkside hatch will beat you he pulled pretty good through 2nd and 3rd while I smacked myself in the face with my redline f'd up that run. But I didnt know that I was running him I thought it was the Del Sol. Oh well. I just thought it was funny that they talked **** about me and my car but wouldnt say **** to my face. Punks. That Black Del Sol was quick before now its going to be Straight MEAN.
the hatch will beat me or u talking to redline? I'm always down for a good REASONABLE challenge...dont be getting no low 13 sec, 12 sec cars to race me
