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well on the way home tonight a mazda speed pulls up to me on the freeway..he is right beside me just lookin at me so i downshift to 4th and get in to the left lane so i can race him.. im at 4600 rpms and dead even with him, let him kno that im ready to race and lose.. he guns it and gains a 1/4 of a car then i gun it. he slowly walks me almost to a half a car then i start gainin back up and by the top end of 4th im a bumper in front of him, i switch into 5th and keep walkin slowly he shuts down and that was it.. i was goin to try and talk to him but he didnt want to so i just turned off on my exit.. im pretty positve that he was really trying but maybe not.. i honestly thought i would loose but i won

 
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what do u have on ur car b/c mazda speeds are good 15.2-14.9 cars with a good driver???

 
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You must have some good mods, because the mazdaspeed comes stock with 160 hp and a turbo.

 
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actually i belive it comes with 170hp

 
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yep, 170
I really doubt a N/A civic could hang with that

 
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hehe, nice. Yeah, the technology looks like he should have won. Always nice to beat a driver driving a superior car. Not sure what our 60 - 100 times are supposed to be (too lazy to look it up) but sounds like you beat him. Good job. Hope there wasn't too many people on the highway you were on.

MazdaSpeed Protege...

170 HP...2843 curb weight. 1:16.72

Ratios are :1

1st: 3.307 (13.575)
2nd: 1.842 (7.561)
3rd: 1.310 (5.378)
4th: 0.970 (3.982)
5th: 0.755 (3.099)
Reverse: 3.166
Final Drive: 4.105

Honda:

127 HP...2597 Curb weight 1:20.45

Not sure of the drive ratios

 
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Well your profile does not have any mods listed, so until you post the mods that helped you take down this Mazda speed I don't think that a stock EX can beat a Mazda Speed.

 
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ok well like i said i would think they would take me!! and beat my *** damn good but he didnt. i have cai,header,exhaust,pullies,vafc and a cam gear.. i would love to race him again and see what happens. also a friend of mine just got one so i will race him but he is a horible driver, he raced my friends grand am and lost 6 cars on him.. so i dont kno..

 
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Not calling BS because anything can happen, but are you sure it was a MazdaSpeed and not a Protoge MP3??? The MP3 looks really similar to the MazdaSpeed but doesn't have the turbo, just body, suspension, and system.

 
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Yeah did you hear a turbo or BOV? Your mods probably helped if the VAFC was tuned, and maybe the guy was just a bad driver. Nice kill anyway.

 
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I don't like racing people if I think that they are bad drivers. But, a kill is a kill man. Nice Job.

 
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I would believe it. I have raced my fair share of shitty drivers, my friend has a 6spd g35 coupe and i had him untill the end of second when blew by me because he did not know how to shift. I consider myself a very good driver tho. It is all about how you drive, the only thing that gets me was that this was at such a high speed to begin with so not that much driver skill was involved.

 
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well i kno for sure it was a mazdaspeed cause several things are different then the regular one and i pulled behind him to see if the badge was on it and it was. then i raced him.. like i said i was waiting to get my *** kicked but i didnt

 
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EX-16s in the 1/4

M.S.-low 15s

hmmm highway roll Turbo vs Non...hmmm I dont know maybe it could happen if the Mazdaspeed guy was smoking crack or something.

 
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i've takin a mazdaspeed on the highway. from a start the seem quick but from a roll they dont seem all that quick. Maybe it was all about the driver.

 
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It is all about numbers. EX is rated at the flywheel 127hp not sure on TQ less than that I am guessing no more than 115ft/lbs<Honda not known for TQ. Mazdaspeed rated at 170hp 155ft/lbs. Now how much does each weigh-

EX-2555 Manual and 2594 for auto

Mazdaspeed-2843

Ok 300lbs more with 40 more ft/lbs and 43 more hp. I would think it would pull harder on the freeway than a civic unless the civic was modded and the Mazdaspeed wasnt so I think this is plausable. Now from a dead stop I would think you would get owned.

 
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Why do you guys always instantly assume someone is lying? So it's a turbo...so its a Mazda Speed Protege...doesn't mean the guy behind the wheel knows how to drive. And we are not talking 1/4 mile times here...60 - 100...Who really cares about 1/4 mile times anyway...it takes 0 skill to drive in a straight line. He says the guy was racing him and he beat him. Fine, the P/W ratios are close and you are talking a freeway "race"...he beat him. There are more factors than "170 HP vs 127 HP". I can show you a tractor that has 300HP...and I'll bet I can beat it in my Vic.

Sorry...just venting a bit. You guys really need to get to some AutoX events.

 
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It takes 0 skill to run the 1/4....ok then how much skill do you need to do a roll? even a shitty driver can push the gas down on the freeway not much else you have to do there...as for your 300hp tractor put diffrent gears in it that make it actually fast and not all TQ and pulling then get back to me.

 
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Exactly my point. No skill involved in a freeway roll either. It is all gearing...not sure what an EX's 60-100 capability is but whos to say he didn't beat the guy. The P/W ratio is fairly close. Plus his Vic is not stock...I would be curious to see what his "at the wheel" rating is.

As far as the tractor goes...yes, a 2500 lbs civic is going to beat a 5000 lbs tractor, regardless of gearing...even if it has 300 HP. Get off the "HP is everything" mentality. lease:

 
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lol never said HP was everything and the tractor thing yeah 5000 lbs and 300hp isnt very good but I bet it would run with a anemic civic. If it had the right gears if not it wouldn't be too far behind, beings 127 hp in 2500lbs is the same as 300hp in 5000lbs...and I would guess it has WAY more TQ so don't be too sure you would win. Anyway why in the world are we comparing this Tractor to a Civic I am guessing you were making some kind of point or something...

 
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Civics have between 100 and 110 whp stock. Someone else here took the mazdaspeed to a dyno.

 
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eh..guess not. I am not much into the whole "Let's compare numbers and have the fastest thing on paper" anyway. Power and lack of both have their drawbacks. Now if these guys were on a valley run somewhere and he beat the guy...

 
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Ok I get it after he put 1/2 car on you he thought..."Why am I racing a Civic in my Turbo Mazdaspeed?" and then he just slowly let off to make you think you beat him..hehe








































jk

 
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Yeah I know what you are talking about Numbers on paper and the real thing can be very different but on a highway roll with a hp and tq advantage I dont think there is much to argue about is there? Either the Mazdaspeed was half assing it or somene is stretching the truth.

IMO

 
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eh, "slowciv" can defend his story from here on out. All I was trying to point out is that everytime someone has a story where they beat out a numerically superior car....everyone starts yelling BS. Ya never know...I am not sure what brand of header, if that VAFC is a VAFC II or not, etc he put on his Civic. I am not sure what the combination of those components has done for his performance. Only real way to tell is put in on a Dyno, he didn't mention any of that. He has done some work to his engine...and let's say he only increased his output to the flywheel 15 HP and upped the TQ a bit. Is is so hard to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and say, "Hey, good job, sorry he backed off early" and leave it at that. Instead it always turns into this big debate about aerodynamics, HP and TQ, how no NA car could ever beat a FI (whatever lease, etc.

Don't get me wrong...some of the stories deserve a HUGE but when factors are this close and from the way he described the incident, I am inclined to believe him. Now whether or not I would call it a "win" per se...that's another story.

 
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Totally I know there will always be people calling bs just becuase of the hp numbers but this has way more in it thatn just that. With the mods he has which I am guessing are minor he isnt going to get to much from his engine it takes alot to make a Honda put out power...and being a highway roll with to basically stock cars the Mazdaspeed is going to win hands down. Not saying all N/A cars lose to Turbo and S/C cars either just this one prbably would

I believe he raced a Mazdaspeed I believe he MIGHT have won but all the factors point to him not being able to.

 
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maybe the guy was in 5th the whole time????

 
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Now that is believable!!!

 
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point taken... but a 60 to 100mph roll you would have to factor in trap speed of a qtr mile run..sorry just not believeable...unless gear was missed or something tragically wrong....msp traps ALOT higher than a bolt on civic....could have been someone fooling around and just mashing it in 4th or 5th and not downshifting

 
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THANK YOU! there is no way he beat this kid in his Turbo Protege!