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Originally posted by J2KGTS6
14.8 is a slower time for a modded celica. I had a friend up here who hit 14.9 bone stock at sacramento raceway. I also know people who have hit 14.3 with just intake and exhaust. Regardless of wheel hop he is still a good driver. Wheel hop is actually hard to avoid in a stock celica unless you get aftermarket springs. I had wheel hop real bad before i got TRD springs on my Celica. You really should learn more about these cars before you go trying to talk crap. You may have some knowledge in other area's but its clear your knowledge of the celica is lacking.
14.8 is a slower time for a modded celica. I had a friend up here who hit 14.9 bone stock at sacramento raceway. I also know people who have hit 14.3 with just intake and exhaust. Regardless of wheel hop he is still a good driver. Wheel hop is actually hard to avoid in a stock celica unless you get aftermarket springs. I had wheel hop real bad before i got TRD springs on my Celica. You really should learn more about these cars before you go trying to talk crap. You may have some knowledge in other area's but its clear your knowledge of the celica is lacking.
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Yep, wheel hop is controled by your right foot not by the car or the springs. SO SQUEEZE the gas, dont Hop on it. The Gas pedal is not an ON/OFF switch!!!
Most Problems with cars, Be it wheel hop, wheel spin or some handling problem can be easily traced back to Driver error.
Most Problems with cars, Be it wheel hop, wheel spin or some handling problem can be easily traced back to Driver error.
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Rep Power: 0 ok few points I'd like to mention since I was too busy at the track pullin a 9.434 @76.04 mph That was posted by my boy RYAN I can spank his car thank you. And like I said I wasnt out to launch the car or anything my 60' times range from 2.190 - 2.203 so yes I know how to launch my car. I'll admit I fvcked up I re looked at the tape t was more then 16 seconds my bad I can admit an erorr Unlike some people. I just hate little whiny biatches like this wrx guy. dude you took this ish to 7 pages with his stupidity.
First off if you burn your clutch to avoid wheel hop in a fwd car youre nuts. I do a straight drop from 6500 rpm then moulate the gas at about 4500 rpms thats gave me consistant 2.20 and lower 60' times which aint bad. with dr's the best drivers Ihave seen get low 2.1's -2.0's.
now I said that it was a jacked up vid from the start. I got the wheel hop cause I wasnt attempting to race just go to show I really could get that high in 4th that was the only point of that vid. now the fact that I hit 112 was wrx's number so well use that and I wasnt trying hard shows alot now obviously you still wanna whine so I'll make a new one I'll hit higher With a passenger so you'll shut the hell up already. Now I never said I was super driver EVER IM not a bad driver thats for sure.
First off if you burn your clutch to avoid wheel hop in a fwd car youre nuts. I do a straight drop from 6500 rpm then moulate the gas at about 4500 rpms thats gave me consistant 2.20 and lower 60' times which aint bad. with dr's the best drivers Ihave seen get low 2.1's -2.0's.
now I said that it was a jacked up vid from the start. I got the wheel hop cause I wasnt attempting to race just go to show I really could get that high in 4th that was the only point of that vid. now the fact that I hit 112 was wrx's number so well use that and I wasnt trying hard shows alot now obviously you still wanna whine so I'll make a new one I'll hit higher With a passenger so you'll shut the hell up already. Now I never said I was super driver EVER IM not a bad driver thats for sure.
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ok few points I'd like to mention since I was too busy at the track pullin a 9.434 @76.04 mph That was posted by my boy RYAN I can spank his car thank you. And like I said I wasnt out to launch the car or anything my 60' times range from 2.190 - 2.203 so yes I know how to launch my car. I'll admit I fvcked up I re looked at the tape t was more then 16 seconds my bad I can admit an erorr Unlike some people. I just hate little whiny biatches like this wrx guy. dude you took this ish to 7 pages with his stupidity.
First off if you burn your clutch to avoid wheel hop in a fwd car youre nuts. I do a straight drop from 6500 rpm then moulate the gas at about 4500 rpms thats gave me consistant 2.20 and lower 60' times which aint bad. with dr's the best drivers Ihave seen get low 2.1's -2.0's.
now I said that it was a jacked up vid from the start. I got the wheel hop cause I wasnt attempting to race just go to show I really could get that high in 4th that was the only point of that vid. now the fact that I hit 112 was wrx's number so well use that and I wasnt trying hard shows alot now obviously you still wanna whine so I'll make a new one I'll hit higher With a passenger so you'll shut the hell up already. Now I never said I was super driver EVER IM not a bad driver thats for sure.
ok few points I'd like to mention since I was too busy at the track pullin a 9.434 @76.04 mph That was posted by my boy RYAN I can spank his car thank you. And like I said I wasnt out to launch the car or anything my 60' times range from 2.190 - 2.203 so yes I know how to launch my car. I'll admit I fvcked up I re looked at the tape t was more then 16 seconds my bad I can admit an erorr Unlike some people. I just hate little whiny biatches like this wrx guy. dude you took this ish to 7 pages with his stupidity.
First off if you burn your clutch to avoid wheel hop in a fwd car youre nuts. I do a straight drop from 6500 rpm then moulate the gas at about 4500 rpms thats gave me consistant 2.20 and lower 60' times which aint bad. with dr's the best drivers Ihave seen get low 2.1's -2.0's.
now I said that it was a jacked up vid from the start. I got the wheel hop cause I wasnt attempting to race just go to show I really could get that high in 4th that was the only point of that vid. now the fact that I hit 112 was wrx's number so well use that and I wasnt trying hard shows alot now obviously you still wanna whine so I'll make a new one I'll hit higher With a passenger so you'll shut the hell up already. Now I never said I was super driver EVER IM not a bad driver thats for sure.
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Yep, wheel hop is controled by your right foot not by the car or the springs. SO SQUEEZE the gas, dont Hop on it. The Gas pedal is not an ON/OFF switch!!!
Most Problems with cars, Be it wheel hop, wheel spin or some handling problem can be easily traced back to Driver error.
Yep, wheel hop is controled by your right foot not by the car or the springs. SO SQUEEZE the gas, dont Hop on it. The Gas pedal is not an ON/OFF switch!!!
Most Problems with cars, Be it wheel hop, wheel spin or some handling problem can be easily traced back to Driver error.
and to WRX guy.. no thanks i rather not burn the crap out of my clutch. I'm doing good with 72k miles on my stock clutch
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thats funny, you call me a whiny biatch yet you run to the moderator and report me. hmm...
thats funny, you call me a whiny biatch yet you run to the moderator and report me. hmm...
But by all means flame me again ***** I would love to see you banned troll boy. you have yet to say why you are even on this board????
Lets hear your stupid excuse.
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Rep Power: 381 Oh, I have no doubt that you can reduce wheel hop by changing springs, but why spend the $$$$ when the problem can be easily fixed by changing your driving?
People tend to blame the car long before they blame them selfs when ever there is a performance problem. so If you're spinning the wheels, or getting wheel hop, learn better throttle/clutch control!!! Not only will it fix or reduce the problem, but you'll end up being a much better driver/racer for it.
Same thing applies to Autocross, If your having a handling problem, more then likely Its The Driver thats causing it.
You can only go as fast as the car will let you, weather its Straight line Drag racing or Flying through the corners, so if you try to exceed its capibilites, YOU Will end up going slower!!!
I.E. If you're having trouble getting your tires to hook up at the drag strip, well its YOU pushing the tires past what they are capable of, so I bet if you eased off just a bit and let them Hook up, You'd go faster because of it.
People tend to blame the car long before they blame them selfs when ever there is a performance problem. so If you're spinning the wheels, or getting wheel hop, learn better throttle/clutch control!!! Not only will it fix or reduce the problem, but you'll end up being a much better driver/racer for it.
Same thing applies to Autocross, If your having a handling problem, more then likely Its The Driver thats causing it.
You can only go as fast as the car will let you, weather its Straight line Drag racing or Flying through the corners, so if you try to exceed its capibilites, YOU Will end up going slower!!!
I.E. If you're having trouble getting your tires to hook up at the drag strip, well its YOU pushing the tires past what they are capable of, so I bet if you eased off just a bit and let them Hook up, You'd go faster because of it.
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why spend the money? because it not only will improve launching that much more but it will improve the overall handling of the car. $140 for TRD springs and i'm good to go
However yes if your getting a lot of wheel spin it can partially be the driver. But a sh!tty tire is a sh!tty tire. Its always worth spending a little extra to not only help improve your own driving skill but to improve the performance of your car.
However yes if your getting a lot of wheel spin it can partially be the driver. But a sh!tty tire is a sh!tty tire. Its always worth spending a little extra to not only help improve your own driving skill but to improve the performance of your car.
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Youre just mad cause youre a ****ing idiot and cant keep your stupid comments to yourself when you look like an idiot!
But by all means flame me again asswipe I would love to see you banned troll boy. you have yet to say why you are even on this board????
Lets hear your stupid excuse.
Youre just mad cause youre a ****ing idiot and cant keep your stupid comments to yourself when you look like an idiot!
But by all means flame me again asswipe I would love to see you banned troll boy. you have yet to say why you are even on this board????
Lets hear your stupid excuse.
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also, just wanted to point something out. with a mathematical formula, there is virtually no point in arguing. unless you have some way of disproving the fomula (which would probably net you a nobel), you have no argument.
also, just wanted to point something out. with a mathematical formula, there is virtually no point in arguing. unless you have some way of disproving the fomula (which would probably net you a nobel), you have no argument.
You also must keep in mind, that you can't just point out a basic formula such as the one for converting torque to horsepower. There's a lot more to it than that.
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wow a whole page of text when you miss the ENTIRE point of horsepower. horsepower is derived from torque the formula for horsepower: horsepower = (torque x rpm) / 5252
the later on in the powerband the peak torque occurs, the higher the horsepower number.
torque and hp graphs tend to have a parabolic (or inverse) shape to them.
like with the truck that puts out 235hp and 460 ftlbs, that means that the motor puts out its max torque at 2683 rpm. that is horrible for racing, cause most racing is over 3k rpm (at least 3k on v8 motors). after its peak torque point at 2.7k rpm, torque probably drops and is non existant (relatively) at higher rpms where racing occurs. a supra with 500 hp and 370 ftlbs tells me that its peak torque point is at 7.1k rpm. thats at the high end of the racing band for road cars (usually, s2k not considered). the torque graph rises up to its high point, then drops off. however while racing, rpms are held at the hump of the graph, and the motor is usually always close to peak torque.
do yourself a favor, and dont go around talking like horsepower and torque are two different things entirely. without torque, horsepower does not exist.
*huff*
now to relate it to the celica
its rated at 180 hp and 130 ftlbs of torque. that means that high in the powerband, its only dropping a maximum of 130 lbs of torque. 130 lbs, even at a high rpm, is not enough to catch the bimmer or the mr2.
wow a whole page of text when you miss the ENTIRE point of horsepower. horsepower is derived from torque the formula for horsepower: horsepower = (torque x rpm) / 5252
the later on in the powerband the peak torque occurs, the higher the horsepower number.
torque and hp graphs tend to have a parabolic (or inverse) shape to them.
like with the truck that puts out 235hp and 460 ftlbs, that means that the motor puts out its max torque at 2683 rpm. that is horrible for racing, cause most racing is over 3k rpm (at least 3k on v8 motors). after its peak torque point at 2.7k rpm, torque probably drops and is non existant (relatively) at higher rpms where racing occurs. a supra with 500 hp and 370 ftlbs tells me that its peak torque point is at 7.1k rpm. thats at the high end of the racing band for road cars (usually, s2k not considered). the torque graph rises up to its high point, then drops off. however while racing, rpms are held at the hump of the graph, and the motor is usually always close to peak torque.
do yourself a favor, and dont go around talking like horsepower and torque are two different things entirely. without torque, horsepower does not exist.
*huff*
now to relate it to the celica
its rated at 180 hp and 130 ftlbs of torque. that means that high in the powerband, its only dropping a maximum of 130 lbs of torque. 130 lbs, even at a high rpm, is not enough to catch the bimmer or the mr2.
This is why you MUST look at horsepower as a more determining factor to the ability of two cars. If you are going to bench race, the most basic formula you can come up with is to factor in horsepower and weight. Torque is irrelevant most often when comparing two cars acceleration.
Case in point.... the measly 153lb/ft S2000 can whup a 302lb/ft Mustang GT. The GT will take a bit off the line, and the S2000 will walk on by.
However, if you look at their horsepower.... 240hp S2k vs 260hp Mustang GT. Now you see a closer relevance. Now add the extra weight of the GT and the numbers do indicate why the S2000 pulls.
Match any two cars as closely as you can and you will see that the almost every time, HP is the determining factor when trying to guesstiimate a car's acceleration performance. This is why car manufacturers put the emphasis on horsepower. It's not just some number that has no significance. It is actually very good at determing a car's acceleration performance.
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ok few points I'd like to mention since I was too busy at the track pullin a 9.434 @76.04 mph That was posted by my boy RYAN I can spank his car thank you.
ok few points I'd like to mention since I was too busy at the track pullin a 9.434 @76.04 mph That was posted by my boy RYAN I can spank his car thank you.
OIC - 1/8th mile....not 1/4 mile. NM.
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"Oh, I have no doubt that you can reduce wheel hop by changing springs, but why spend the $$$$ when the problem can be easily fixed by changing your driving?
People tend to blame the car long before they blame them selfs when ever there is a performance problem. so If you're spinning the wheels, or getting wheel hop, learn better throttle/clutch control!!! Not only will it fix or reduce the problem, but you'll end up being a much better driver/racer for it."
I would agree 100% my car went from 10.0 - 9.4 now I didnt change anything really except how I drive which helped alot, Mainly the low 2.20 60' times!!!
"Oh, I have no doubt that you can reduce wheel hop by changing springs, but why spend the $$$$ when the problem can be easily fixed by changing your driving?
People tend to blame the car long before they blame them selfs when ever there is a performance problem. so If you're spinning the wheels, or getting wheel hop, learn better throttle/clutch control!!! Not only will it fix or reduce the problem, but you'll end up being a much better driver/racer for it."
I would agree 100% my car went from 10.0 - 9.4 now I didnt change anything really except how I drive which helped alot, Mainly the low 2.20 60' times!!!
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