this is better. new block pics!!!!!!
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this is better. new block pics!!!!!!
mabey you will believe it now!!! if not i dont care i am not here for your aproval. if u are still a skeptic then i guess u will just have to wait till its done. notice the new sleeves compared to the stock ones that are in my members rides pics.. and notice the nice eagle h-beam rods that are good up to 700 hp!!!!! and the newformz block gaurd!
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E-Mail then to me: mdobosz@townisp.com
Edit: Oh yeah, you're talking about your ride. Right? Could you please post these type of threads in the Member's Rides Talk forum...
Edit: Oh yeah, you're talking about your ride. Right? Could you please post these type of threads in the Member's Rides Talk forum...
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Only two are clear though, you should take those close up pictures with the camera's close up setting. Read the user's manual.
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Also, can someone explain to me how that block guard is supposed to work? How can it prevent damage to the block if it doesn't fit snuggly? [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
Black99Vtec: Sorry dude, can't move it back to General Auto Ramblings. I'll make it sticky though.
Only two are clear though, you should take those close up pictures with the camera's close up setting. Read the user's manual.
Closeup
Also, can someone explain to me how that block guard is supposed to work? How can it prevent damage to the block if it doesn't fit snuggly? [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
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So you've destroked the car... what is the bore and stroke on your car now? And what are you doing about the cooling problems associated with installing a block gaurd on the D17?
And now we're starting to see a little proof. You certainly have a pic of a short block with a gaurd, as well as a set of 1.6liter eagle rods....
And now we're starting to see a little proof. You certainly have a pic of a short block with a gaurd, as well as a set of 1.6liter eagle rods....
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Rep Power: 0 you can kinda see the code in the first pics. cooling problems??? well i took out my ac so more air will hit the rad and if theres still a problem. i dont know yet. its a project car will see when things get together. its not like i gotta book to go by noone ahs done this yet.
what does joeb16 have to say.. where are you??
what does joeb16 have to say.. where are you??
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can you take a picture of the other side with the D17 stamping so we know it's not something else?[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: dragoon
can you take a picture of the other side with the D17 stamping so we know it's not something else?[hr]
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Rep Power: 399 Hey, I still wanna know what your bore and stroke is, now that you've destroked the car!
And by cooling problem, I'm talking about the cylinder head, and top of the cylinder wall. The block gaurd prevents coolant from reaching that part of the cylinder walls. block guards are usually recommended for off-street use due to that problem, and are not so great for daily drivers. Daily drivers are generally recommended for just re-sleeving to strengthen the cylinder walls.
Also, when you destroked the engine, you are causing more side load on the cylinder wall, which doesn't help your cooling situation. You might want to look into this, if you're going to continue down that path!
I don't totally believe you yet, and am still skeptical, but if you are getting these things done to your car, knowledge is power, and knowing this info can only help.
And by cooling problem, I'm talking about the cylinder head, and top of the cylinder wall. The block gaurd prevents coolant from reaching that part of the cylinder walls. block guards are usually recommended for off-street use due to that problem, and are not so great for daily drivers. Daily drivers are generally recommended for just re-sleeving to strengthen the cylinder walls.
Also, when you destroked the engine, you are causing more side load on the cylinder wall, which doesn't help your cooling situation. You might want to look into this, if you're going to continue down that path!
I don't totally believe you yet, and am still skeptical, but if you are getting these things done to your car, knowledge is power, and knowing this info can only help.
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Don't worry, it's a D17.[hr]
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can you take a picture of the other side with the D17 stamping so we know it's not something else?[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: dragoon
can you take a picture of the other side with the D17 stamping so we know it's not something else?[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 well the stroke is a 1.6 because thats the crank shaft i am useing. i have a crakn that came out of a dohc d 16 motor. it looks like a ls crank but its shorter. it will be fine on the street as long as u dont drive it hard all the time. the bore is 75mm (stock bore) . and if i eventuayl get a turbo i will jst get a thicker head gasket. to drop the compression a lil
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your stroke isn't 1.6. that's your displacement. your stroke is in millimeters, like the bore.
your stroke isn't 1.6. that's your displacement. your stroke is in millimeters, like the bore.
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Is your estimated horsepower 450hp? Is this correct?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG][hr]
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Is your estimated horsepower 450hp? Is this correct?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG][hr]
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Rep Power: 418 So it's confirmed that a 6th gen crank shaft will fit our cars? Was this modified in any way?
What about the pistons? They're 6th gen pistons?
I thought that the 7th gen has eliptical combustion chambers and eliptical pistons to get the 1.7 litres in a smaller package than the 1.6 litre 6th gen block? What's going on? Wait, did you get the sleeves made to be round? I guess that makes sense. Makes the sleeves round and use round pistons.
What about the pistons? They're 6th gen pistons?
I thought that the 7th gen has eliptical combustion chambers and eliptical pistons to get the 1.7 litres in a smaller package than the 1.6 litre 6th gen block? What's going on? Wait, did you get the sleeves made to be round? I guess that makes sense. Makes the sleeves round and use round pistons.
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Rep Power: 0 no no no its a dohc D 1.6 from japan. and i will put 400+ hp to the wheels. the d1.6 crank wil not fit i needed to have a custom bushing made to ahve it fit.
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Rep Power: 0 since i am useing a d 1.6 crank i needed to buy d 1.6 rods and d 1.6 pistons. this is de-stroking a motor. the gains are.. to rev better and higher. why is it causeing more side load to the walls? and our sleeves are not eliptical. they are round ubless ur smokin some crazy stuff. haha there all round from what i know of. 
. i gaurentee that it will put over 200 hp to the wheels with out a stand alone and with out the 10k rev limmit. also to achieve the 400+ hp goal i will be running a 200 shot direct port (track only) and a 100 - 150 for the street. and traction will be a problem. but they make control centers for your nitrous. what this does is regulates your shot. you can adjust your shot to hit a certain % at each rpm for each gear. this make the nitrous spool like a turbo does and will not break your tires loose in 4th gear!
i would love to race the s2000 for some money or something since he thinks it cant be done. but this is all in theory and we will not know how it all works out till the end of jan. so will see hope for the best![IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]
. i gaurentee that it will put over 200 hp to the wheels with out a stand alone and with out the 10k rev limmit. also to achieve the 400+ hp goal i will be running a 200 shot direct port (track only) and a 100 - 150 for the street. and traction will be a problem. but they make control centers for your nitrous. what this does is regulates your shot. you can adjust your shot to hit a certain % at each rpm for each gear. this make the nitrous spool like a turbo does and will not break your tires loose in 4th gear!
i would love to race the s2000 for some money or something since he thinks it cant be done. but this is all in theory and we will not know how it all works out till the end of jan. so will see hope for the best![IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] 
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Rep Power: 0 yes i will the rods and the pistons and the block gaurd and the crazy amounts of fuel make it possible[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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Rep Power: 343 Originally posted by: Black99Vtec ummm those don't exist. D blocks are single overhead B blocks are dual. Only exception is the ZC which is DOHC. I thought anyone that tuned honda's knew that?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
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[hr]no no no its a dohc D 1.6 from japan[hr]
[hr]no no no its a dohc D 1.6 from japan[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 u better check your sources cause i got a d 1.6 dohc. from japan no one really has experimented with them as far as i know but will see how there crank holds up!
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since i am useing a d 1.6 crank i needed to buy d 1.6 rods and d 1.6 pistons. this is de-stroking a motor. the gains are.. to rev better and higher. why is it causeing more side load to the walls? and our sleeves are not eliptical. they are round ubless ur smokin some crazy stuff. haha there all round from what i know of.
. i gaurentee that it will put over 200 hp to the wheels with out a stand alone and with out the 10k rev limmit. also to achieve the 400+ hp goal i will be running a 200 shot direct port (track only) and a 100 - 150 for the street. and traction will be a problem. but they make control centers for your nitrous. what this does is regulates your shot. you can adjust your shot to hit a certain % at each rpm for each gear. this make the nitrous spool like a turbo does and will not break your tires loose in 4th gear! i would love to race the s2000 for some money or something since he thinks it cant be done. but this is all in theory and we will not know how it all works out till the end of jan. so will see hope for the best![IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG][hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Black99Vtec
since i am useing a d 1.6 crank i needed to buy d 1.6 rods and d 1.6 pistons. this is de-stroking a motor. the gains are.. to rev better and higher. why is it causeing more side load to the walls? and our sleeves are not eliptical. they are round ubless ur smokin some crazy stuff. haha there all round from what i know of.
. i gaurentee that it will put over 200 hp to the wheels with out a stand alone and with out the 10k rev limmit. also to achieve the 400+ hp goal i will be running a 200 shot direct port (track only) and a 100 - 150 for the street. and traction will be a problem. but they make control centers for your nitrous. what this does is regulates your shot. you can adjust your shot to hit a certain % at each rpm for each gear. this make the nitrous spool like a turbo does and will not break your tires loose in 4th gear!
i would love to race the s2000 for some money or something since he thinks it cant be done. but this is all in theory and we will not know how it all works out till the end of jan. so will see hope for the best![IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG][hr]
secondly, just because you destroked to a 1.6 doesn't mean you needed to get a new crank and pistons. the crank and pistons have nothing to do with your displacement. the crank I could see because of making it easier working with the new rods, but the pistons didn't have to be from a 1.6 liter engine. and you will not put 200hp to the wheels with the work you have done right now.
yeah, i'll race you once your car is done. but since you say it's a daily driver, let's see you get all that power to the ground with street tires.
i'm not trying to cut you down, but some things you say/do don't make sense. i believe you have a block guard and eagle rods, but i don't believe you have all you say you have done.
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Rep Power: 0 one question for the s2000 man where is the stroking of a motor done at?? well if u knew anything you would know that it is done in the crank shaft! what makes you think that the crank has nothing to do with the stroke? ok you got it as soon as my car is running to par we will race with out slicks and make a movie of it and put it up on here! it wil be sick! how confident are you? $$$$
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one question for the s2000 man where is the stroking of a motor done at?? well if u knew anything you would know that it is done in the crank shaft! what makes you think that the crank has nothing to do with the stroke? ok you got it as soon as my car is running to par we will race with out slicks and make a movie of it and put it up on here! it wil be sick! how confident are you? $$$$[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Black99Vtec
one question for the s2000 man where is the stroking of a motor done at?? well if u knew anything you would know that it is done in the crank shaft! what makes you think that the crank has nothing to do with the stroke? ok you got it as soon as my car is running to par we will race with out slicks and make a movie of it and put it up on here! it wil be sick! how confident are you? $$$$[hr]
displacement = N*stroke(mm)*bore(mm)*bore(mm)*.0007854
N is number of cylinders. .0007854 is a constant
If you have a 4 cylinder D17 civic... it's displacement is 1668cc....the stock rods on a D17 are 94.4mm and the bore is 75mm.
4*94.4mm*75mm*75mm*.0007854 = 1668.1896
oh gee, look at that... a stock D17 has 1668cc's displacement.
now let's see. in order to de-stroke your car, you have to change your rods, since ROD LENGTH gives you stroke
.... as you've said you've done.... you got 1.6liter rods. this changes your stroke to 90mm, since that's what the stroke is of that rod.... (the eagle h-beam 5394A3D)
So your equation becomes 4*90*75*75*.0007854 = 1590.xxx
Well whaddya know... there's your 1.6 liter displacement engine...
NOW... point to the part in that above equation that has to do with the crank changing size and thus changing your displacement.
Do not try to pretend you know what you're talking about, because I will only prove you wrong.
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Rep Power: 0 how good do you think d 1.6 rods will fit on a d 1.7 crank???? oh yea thast right they dont thats why we need to buy a new crank! i love how the poeple that know nothing about cars say things like owned again! haha 
gaurentee that if you put d 16 rods on our stock crank the piston will not reach the top of the cilinder and you would loose compression. this is why you need to get a new crank. the durration if you will is diffrent on that crank than ours is!! make any sense? dont pretend to know what YOUR talking about. you ignorent a$$
gaurentee that if you put d 16 rods on our stock crank the piston will not reach the top of the cilinder and you would loose compression. this is why you need to get a new crank. the durration if you will is diffrent on that crank than ours is!! make any sense? dont pretend to know what YOUR talking about. you ignorent a$$ 
