TEIN SS or GC & KONI
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TEIN SS or GC & KONI
I wanted everyones opinion on this. Right now I have GC and it is just to bouncy, so either I will go with KONI YELLOWS or TEIN SS. I am looking for the a sporty ride, stiff but comfortable.
I would like good feedback, I know there are some Honda Gurus on this site and some stupid flaming people. So I would rather get intelligent feedback.
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I would like good feedback, I know there are some Honda Gurus on this site and some stupid flaming people. So I would rather get intelligent feedback.
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Rep Power: 0 Well I am not looking to slam my car to the ground but to a reasonable drop. One that i can drive around town and on long trips, like to the mountains this December. So I am looking for the best sporty ride that can huge corners the best.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Flash6009
Well I am not looking to slam my car to the ground but to a reasonable drop. One that i can drive around town and on long trips, like to the mountains this December. So I am looking for the best sporty ride that can huge corners the best.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Flash6009
Well I am not looking to slam my car to the ground but to a reasonable drop. One that i can drive around town and on long trips, like to the mountains this December. So I am looking for the best sporty ride that can huge corners the best.
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Ground Control coilovers are the most popular coilovers and with Koni Yellows you can make the ride feel like stock. The height is adjustable enough for you to bottom out the car if you wanted to. Downside? Koni's warranty. If a shock is defective, you've just blown off $125. This is approximately gonna cost you $700-$800 depending on the price of the coilovers or if you happen to find someone selling Koni shocks cheaper than $125 each.
Tien SS are becoming more popular and seem to be the second great step over Ground Controls. You pretty much get the coilovers with the convenience of adjustable shocks. The ride (from what everyone's experience that I've heard so far) feels great. You'd have to ask around how it feels compared to stock (unless someone here who has them wants to offer insight). Downside? For some people's taste the car doesn't go as low as some people would like it to go. It will go low enough a lil before the wheels go into the fender giving a slight trace of wheel gap. It looks good, but the lower you go the better the car can turn. Pricewise, I think you can get these as cheap as $900-$1000.
And the even bigger step would be the Tien Flex but I have little info on that. If I'm not mistaken, I think the difference is the increased # of levels you can adjust the shocks at.
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Rep Power: 0 Also I have read somethings searching on this matter, the couple of things I have read is that the KONI shock is not a shortened body. Also if you have GC & KONI's it is still bouncy. But with the TEIN SS it is supposed to be real comfortable to carry even you grandparents in, I have ask a couple with the TEIN SS.
Right now I can't make up my mind, thanks for all the feed back, maybe I will get more.
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Right now I can't make up my mind, thanks for all the feed back, maybe I will get more.
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[hr]Originally posted by: SoNiCcIvIc
I don't see the point of getting full coilovers except having the pillowball uppermount which makes the camber adjustable for the front macphersons but it's nothing you can't already get for Ground Controls I think.
Ground Control coilovers are the most popular coilovers and with Koni Yellows you can make the ride feel like stock. The height is adjustable enough for you to bottom out the car if you wanted to. Downside? Koni's warranty. If a shock is defective, you've just blown off $125. This is approximately gonna cost you $700-$800 depending on the price of the coilovers or if you happen to find someone selling Koni shocks cheaper than $125 each.
Tien SS are becoming more popular and seem to be the second great step over Ground Controls. You pretty much get the coilovers with the convenience of adjustable shocks. The ride (from what everyone's experience that I've heard so far) feels great. You'd have to ask around how it feels compared to stock (unless someone here who has them wants to offer insight). Downside? For some people's taste the car doesn't go as low as some people would like it to go. It will go low enough a lil before the wheels go into the fender giving a slight trace of wheel gap. It looks good, but the lower you go the better the car can turn. Pricewise, I think you can get these as cheap as $900-$1000.
And the even bigger step would be the Tien Flex but I have little info on that. If I'm not mistaken, I think the difference is the increased # of levels you can adjust the shocks at.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: SoNiCcIvIc
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[hr]Originally posted by: Flash6009
Well I am not looking to slam my car to the ground but to a reasonable drop. One that i can drive around town and on long trips, like to the mountains this December. So I am looking for the best sporty ride that can huge corners the best.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Flash6009
Well I am not looking to slam my car to the ground but to a reasonable drop. One that i can drive around town and on long trips, like to the mountains this December. So I am looking for the best sporty ride that can huge corners the best.
Thanks[hr]
Ground Control coilovers are the most popular coilovers and with Koni Yellows you can make the ride feel like stock. The height is adjustable enough for you to bottom out the car if you wanted to. Downside? Koni's warranty. If a shock is defective, you've just blown off $125. This is approximately gonna cost you $700-$800 depending on the price of the coilovers or if you happen to find someone selling Koni shocks cheaper than $125 each.
Tien SS are becoming more popular and seem to be the second great step over Ground Controls. You pretty much get the coilovers with the convenience of adjustable shocks. The ride (from what everyone's experience that I've heard so far) feels great. You'd have to ask around how it feels compared to stock (unless someone here who has them wants to offer insight). Downside? For some people's taste the car doesn't go as low as some people would like it to go. It will go low enough a lil before the wheels go into the fender giving a slight trace of wheel gap. It looks good, but the lower you go the better the car can turn. Pricewise, I think you can get these as cheap as $900-$1000.
And the even bigger step would be the Tien Flex but I have little info on that. If I'm not mistaken, I think the difference is the increased # of levels you can adjust the shocks at.[hr]
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Rep Power: 417 does koni really have a shortened body? i would think it doesnt since its also made to be used with stock replacements. and i'm sure koni on the stiffest setting with groundcontrols is not bouncy...
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What do you mean by "bouncy"? Is it a bouncy ride as in you hit a bump and the car continues to bounce after the impact, or Is it a Rough ride as in you can feel every crack in the road? I ask becaus both problems are caused by different parts. A "Bouncy" ride would be caused by inadequate dampining in the Shock absorber, where a "Rough" ride would be caused by too stiff of a spring.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Zzyzx
What do you mean by "bouncy"? Is it a bouncy ride as in you hit a bump and the car continues to bounce after the impact, or Is it a Rough ride as in you can feel every crack in the road? I ask becaus both problems are caused by different parts. A "Bouncy" ride would be caused by inadequate dampining in the Shock absorber, where a "Rough" ride would be caused by too stiff of a spring.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Zzyzx
What do you mean by "bouncy"? Is it a bouncy ride as in you hit a bump and the car continues to bounce after the impact, or Is it a Rough ride as in you can feel every crack in the road? I ask becaus both problems are caused by different parts. A "Bouncy" ride would be caused by inadequate dampining in the Shock absorber, where a "Rough" ride would be caused by too stiff of a spring.[hr]
the difference between the SS and the Flex are dampening, spring rate(Flex is stiffer, also means harder dampening settings) shock perch adjustability, and most importantly the pillowball mounts(will eliminate noises heard from lowering car. You have to compare the Tein Flex and JIC FLT-A2 b/c they have the same exact features except for the inverted monotube shock in the front.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Flash6009
Also I have read somethings searching on this matter, the couple of things I have read is that the KONI shock is not a shortened body. Also if you have GC & KONI's it is still bouncy. But with the TEIN SS it is supposed to be real comfortable to carry even you grandparents in, I have ask a couple with the TEIN SS.
Right now I can't make up my mind, thanks for all the feed back, maybe I will get more.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Flash6009
Also I have read somethings searching on this matter, the couple of things I have read is that the KONI shock is not a shortened body. Also if you have GC & KONI's it is still bouncy. But with the TEIN SS it is supposed to be real comfortable to carry even you grandparents in, I have ask a couple with the TEIN SS.
Right now I can't make up my mind, thanks for all the feed back, maybe I will get more.
Later[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: ASWZero
No, a stiff ride would be from a stiff spring and hard damper setting. A rough ride is from a stiff spring for blown shock.
the difference between the SS and the Flex are dampening, spring rate(Flex is stiffer, also means harder dampening settings) shock perch adjustability, and most importantly the pillowball mounts(will eliminate noises heard from lowering car. You have to compare the Tein Flex and JIC FLT-A2 b/c they have the same exact features except for the inverted monotube shock in the front.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: ASWZero
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[hr]Originally posted by: Zzyzx
What do you mean by "bouncy"? Is it a bouncy ride as in you hit a bump and the car continues to bounce after the impact, or Is it a Rough ride as in you can feel every crack in the road? I ask becaus both problems are caused by different parts. A "Bouncy" ride would be caused by inadequate dampining in the Shock absorber, where a "Rough" ride would be caused by too stiff of a spring.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Zzyzx
What do you mean by "bouncy"? Is it a bouncy ride as in you hit a bump and the car continues to bounce after the impact, or Is it a Rough ride as in you can feel every crack in the road? I ask becaus both problems are caused by different parts. A "Bouncy" ride would be caused by inadequate dampining in the Shock absorber, where a "Rough" ride would be caused by too stiff of a spring.[hr]
the difference between the SS and the Flex are dampening, spring rate(Flex is stiffer, also means harder dampening settings) shock perch adjustability, and most importantly the pillowball mounts(will eliminate noises heard from lowering car. You have to compare the Tein Flex and JIC FLT-A2 b/c they have the same exact features except for the inverted monotube shock in the front.[hr]
you realize ofcoures we just said the same thing right?
(A rough ride is from a stiff spring for blown shock. Vs. where a "Rough" ride would be caused by too stiff of a spring.
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Rep Power: 0 This site is suppose to be informative. Most people would not have gotten that we said the same thing. You have to explain the stuff you talk about to people so they will learn and stop asking the same question over and over again.
If you really think about it, we did not say the same thing. I said no because people who know what they are talking about do not explain things properly. I was in a hurry too and I never read over what I type. i saw a couple of typos. Maybe I should explain it better, but I have a meeting at work to goto.
If you really think about it, we did not say the same thing. I said no because people who know what they are talking about do not explain things properly. I was in a hurry too and I never read over what I type. i saw a couple of typos. Maybe I should explain it better, but I have a meeting at work to goto.
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Bouncy VS. Rough VS. Stiff
People have very different opinions on what is a Bounce/rough/Stiff ride is.
I see a bouncy ride as the “Cadillac affect”, the car hits a bump and keeps bouncing for the next ¼ mile down the road.
Stiff or Rough rides to me are very similar if not in fact the same thing. A stiff sporty ride would be inherently rough. I race my car, Road race not drag, so to me a stiff sporty ride is fine, while some one else may think that its too rough.
We need to clarify the words, and then we can start to understand each other.
I’m going to start a thread soon that deals with performance suspension tuning. It’s not done yet as I am still gathering information, references and getting all the information straight in my head. PM me if you would like to see what I have already. Actually I would love to get some feed back on what I do have so I can verify that I’m not talking out my ***.
Bouncy VS. Rough VS. Stiff
People have very different opinions on what is a Bounce/rough/Stiff ride is.
I see a bouncy ride as the “Cadillac affect”, the car hits a bump and keeps bouncing for the next ¼ mile down the road.
Stiff or Rough rides to me are very similar if not in fact the same thing. A stiff sporty ride would be inherently rough. I race my car, Road race not drag, so to me a stiff sporty ride is fine, while some one else may think that its too rough.
We need to clarify the words, and then we can start to understand each other.
I’m going to start a thread soon that deals with performance suspension tuning. It’s not done yet as I am still gathering information, references and getting all the information straight in my head. PM me if you would like to see what I have already. Actually I would love to get some feed back on what I do have so I can verify that I’m not talking out my ***.
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I'd say a bouncy ride is like stock, everyone knows how that is.
A rough ride is like a truck, you feel the road too much, but that doesnt mean it doesn't have a lot suspension travel.
A stiff ride could be smooth, likely not.
If the suspension is too stiff and you hit a pot hole or bump it the whole car feels it and you hear it.
A few people have mentioned the Koni Yellows on soft, can feel like stock, hopefully they mean better then stock.
I know the VNlilMAN like a big drop, but I'm looking for about a 1" drop and a BMW 540i-type ride. Firm, but smooth, with plenty suspension travel. I think Flash6009 is looking for the same thing as me.
I'd say a bouncy ride is like stock, everyone knows how that is.
A rough ride is like a truck, you feel the road too much, but that doesnt mean it doesn't have a lot suspension travel.
A stiff ride could be smooth, likely not.
If the suspension is too stiff and you hit a pot hole or bump it the whole car feels it and you hear it.
A few people have mentioned the Koni Yellows on soft, can feel like stock, hopefully they mean better then stock.
I know the VNlilMAN like a big drop, but I'm looking for about a 1" drop and a BMW 540i-type ride. Firm, but smooth, with plenty suspension travel. I think Flash6009 is looking for the same thing as me.
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Rep Power: 0 I've had my GCs and Konis for a year now, and I haven't changed the damping setting on my Koni's in about 8 months. I've got them set pretty firm and my ride is very smooth, much better than stock ever was. With the GCs adjusted so low, I've about 1.5" of travel on each wheel, before the top of the strut will come into contact with the bumpstops, if I hit something hard enough (very rarely). The nice thing about the Konis is that they give the exact same amount of damping anywhere in their stroke. I'm only using about 2" of the top of the stroke, where as, if I raised my GC's higher, I would be using closer to the middle of the struts stroke. So it doesn't matter that the Konis are designed as a stock strut replacement, even with the drop I've got, I still get excellent ride quality. Most other struts, with the type of fluid control system internal to the strut, their damping qaulity suffers as you move closer the 'ends' of the stroke, like Tokicos or KYB's. I can't speak to the design of the Teins though, never had them or studied their design.
Now, I do occasionaly get some spring/perch noise from my front corners, but I will replace my custom rubber inserts in between the perches and springs, and that noise will go away for another few months.
Now, I do occasionaly get some spring/perch noise from my front corners, but I will replace my custom rubber inserts in between the perches and springs, and that noise will go away for another few months.
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