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Ok ... so I see alot of you guys have lowered your cars ... but 1 question did you guys keep the original stock struts in. I do not want to keep the stock struts in and would probably get the neuspeed sports springs (1.7" drop). I see vnilman has said that only the Koni's fit our cars ... so just wanted to know what everyone else did.
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I am doing my drop on Friday, but I got goldlines, I am keeping the factory struts because they last for a while and are pretty good. They should last you at least 3 months, probably much longer depending on how you drive, but yeah, other than coilovers, konis it is.
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Rep Power: 0 Konis will fit our car, but you need to cut the factory sturt and then slide it in (front only)...the only other sturt that will fit is TEIN SS, and they will replace the entire sturt but they cost around $1200
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[hr]Originally posted by: CivicVTec
Konis will fit our car, but you need to cut the factory sturt and then slide it in (front only)...the only other sturt that will fit is TEIN SS, and they will replace the entire sturt but they cost around $1200[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: CivicVTec
Konis will fit our car, but you need to cut the factory sturt and then slide it in (front only)...the only other sturt that will fit is TEIN SS, and they will replace the entire sturt but they cost around $1200[hr]
you cant use teins with neuspeed springs. but you could use konis with neuspeed springs.
do teins come with their own strut yes, because they are both shock and coilover in one. thats what true coilovers are. also B&Gs(true coilovers) are available for our cars and so is KM performance(?).
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Rep Power: 0 Ok sorry for me being kinda retarded .... but lets get this straight.
So for the 2002 civic si ... the koni yellows fit
1) the strut fits the back (rear of the car)
2) the front has only inserts that fit over the existing struts ( that entails cutting the factory strut and mounting the insert)
Am I getting this right now.
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So for the 2002 civic si ... the koni yellows fit
1) the strut fits the back (rear of the car)
2) the front has only inserts that fit over the existing struts ( that entails cutting the factory strut and mounting the insert)
Am I getting this right now.
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Koni makes a specific application for different cars. and they designed one for our cars so of course they "fit"
2) the rears are replacements. so you take out the old shock and put the konis in
3) yes, fronts are inserts. they NEED to be used with stock struts in order for them to be put on our cars
Koni makes a specific application for different cars. and they designed one for our cars so of course they "fit"
2) the rears are replacements. so you take out the old shock and put the konis in
3) yes, fronts are inserts. they NEED to be used with stock struts in order for them to be put on our cars
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Rep Power: 0 Ah ok ... that make much more sense now ... thanks ...
Like I said I am fairly new at this stuff ... so I really didnt know what you meant by insert etc...
So now the question is ... does cutting the strut have major implications ... is it an easy job ... does it cause the factory struts to blow faster etc ... I just dont like the idea of cutting anything on the car you know. Especially because I live in Canada and we get snow in the winter so I was thinking of switching back to my stock suspension for the winter ... apparently I won't be able to do that if the konis are only inserts at the front.
Is this going to be the way to drop the 7th gen civics from all the company's like KYB etc. I know that they dont got anything right now that fit our cars but will they come out with a full strut assembly replacement for the front of our cars. (and is the reason why the front is so difficult due to the new MacPherson strut rather than double wishbone ?)
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Like I said I am fairly new at this stuff ... so I really didnt know what you meant by insert etc...So now the question is ... does cutting the strut have major implications ... is it an easy job ... does it cause the factory struts to blow faster etc ... I just dont like the idea of cutting anything on the car you know. Especially because I live in Canada and we get snow in the winter so I was thinking of switching back to my stock suspension for the winter ... apparently I won't be able to do that if the konis are only inserts at the front.
Is this going to be the way to drop the 7th gen civics from all the company's like KYB etc. I know that they dont got anything right now that fit our cars but will they come out with a full strut assembly replacement for the front of our cars. (and is the reason why the front is so difficult due to the new MacPherson strut rather than double wishbone ?)
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Rep Power: 416 first off "Is this going to be the way to drop the 7th gen civics from all the company's like KYB etc. (and is the reason why the front is so difficult due to the new MacPherson strut rather than double wishbone ?)"
no, i believe tokico is supposed to come out with full replacements. not sure about KYB's plans. and yes the front is more "difficult" due to the mcpherson strut. our fronts have this big thick bar called the control arm(?). thats what mainly prevents shock manufactures from making full struts, cause of that bar. to make it cheaper/easier(for production) they make inserts. this way they dont have to make that control arm. all they do is use the stock control arm instead of fabricating their own.
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"1) what do you guys think or know about cutting stock struts and adding in the koni inserts ... is it a good idea.
2) Is it a routine job done in speed shops or is this a relatively new thing to do (in other words will the speedshop guys know what I am taking about and know how to do it without screwing up)
3) how long does the front cut factory strut with koni insert last ... is it weaker than a normal strut in the front? ( I would be using neuspeed sport springs 1.7" drop)
4) I see that alot of guys on this member site have lowering springs but no strut change ... is that because the cutting strut thing isnt worth it? I notice either the people go all out with coilovers or only have springs.
I thank vnlilman for his patience ... I know I am not the brightest guy when it comes to this stuff so thanks for not ragin' on my ***"
1) eh it makes installation a little harder but it makes the shocks a little bit more affordable. i think they should offer it in both versions... full and inserts, maybe they eventually will.
2) depends on the shop. some shops cant even install lowering springs. the install is basically the same as installing springs/other full shocks, only difference is you cut half of the stock shock and bolt the konis down to the stock one. its not that much more complicated. if a shop cant do it, you shouldnt even take your car there
3) your using koni shocks inside the stock shock housing. cause you know shocks are made of gas/oil(what have you..) right.. you empty the stock shock gas by cutting it up the housing, put the konis shocks inside the stock housing. so if properly installed right, it should be just as good as a full strut. and it should last as long as a full strut since the only thing different is the housing.
4) no, most people dont have konis because we're too cheap
. and there are plenty of people that go with konis rather then true coilovers(keep in mind theres a difference bettween $300 sleeved coilovers and $1200 true coilovers). but reason why someone would choose true coilovers vs. a koni + sleeved coilover/spring setup is... $550(koni)+$150-300(s.coilover/spring) is around $700-850. pay a couple hundred more and you get true coilovers, both coilover and shock designed to work together.
-n its all good, everyone starts somewhere. less then a year ago, i was new to all this too.
no, i believe tokico is supposed to come out with full replacements. not sure about KYB's plans. and yes the front is more "difficult" due to the mcpherson strut. our fronts have this big thick bar called the control arm(?). thats what mainly prevents shock manufactures from making full struts, cause of that bar. to make it cheaper/easier(for production) they make inserts. this way they dont have to make that control arm. all they do is use the stock control arm instead of fabricating their own.
as to..
"1) what do you guys think or know about cutting stock struts and adding in the koni inserts ... is it a good idea.
2) Is it a routine job done in speed shops or is this a relatively new thing to do (in other words will the speedshop guys know what I am taking about and know how to do it without screwing up)
3) how long does the front cut factory strut with koni insert last ... is it weaker than a normal strut in the front? ( I would be using neuspeed sport springs 1.7" drop)
4) I see that alot of guys on this member site have lowering springs but no strut change ... is that because the cutting strut thing isnt worth it? I notice either the people go all out with coilovers or only have springs.
I thank vnlilman for his patience ... I know I am not the brightest guy when it comes to this stuff so thanks for not ragin' on my ***"
1) eh it makes installation a little harder but it makes the shocks a little bit more affordable. i think they should offer it in both versions... full and inserts, maybe they eventually will.
2) depends on the shop. some shops cant even install lowering springs. the install is basically the same as installing springs/other full shocks, only difference is you cut half of the stock shock and bolt the konis down to the stock one. its not that much more complicated. if a shop cant do it, you shouldnt even take your car there
3) your using koni shocks inside the stock shock housing. cause you know shocks are made of gas/oil(what have you..) right.. you empty the stock shock gas by cutting it up the housing, put the konis shocks inside the stock housing. so if properly installed right, it should be just as good as a full strut. and it should last as long as a full strut since the only thing different is the housing.
4) no, most people dont have konis because we're too cheap
. and there are plenty of people that go with konis rather then true coilovers(keep in mind theres a difference bettween $300 sleeved coilovers and $1200 true coilovers). but reason why someone would choose true coilovers vs. a koni + sleeved coilover/spring setup is... $550(koni)+$150-300(s.coilover/spring) is around $700-850. pay a couple hundred more and you get true coilovers, both coilover and shock designed to work together.-n its all good, everyone starts somewhere. less then a year ago, i was new to all this too.
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