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Old Jul 21, 2002
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Who has full coilovers?

I just wanted to know who has fully threaded coilovers, such as Progress, B&G, H&R, etc. Tell me how your ride is? Is it soft, bouncy, hard? I don't mean sleeved coilovers like ground-control, I mean the real ones.
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I used to have NEX SR full coilovers. They rode somewhat stiff.

The downside of full coilovers is that they will decrease your already krappy brakeing efficiency. And will also cause your car to push on turns, (induce more understeer).

I would recommend upgrading your brakes first to avoid accidents. And to correct understeer you could install a thicker rear anti-sway bar (either 19mm or 22mm), or dial in the front softer than the rear, or dial in the rear stiffer than the front (if that feature is provided by your coilovers, not all full coilovers are fully adjustable).

This is has been my personal experience from autocrossing with full coilovers. I have since went to an eibach prokit/koni yellow setup with a JDM 22mm anti-sway bar, because it is a better setup for handling and performance on the track if you ask me.

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[hr]The downside of full coilovers is that they will decrease your already krappy brakeing efficiency. And will also cause your car to push on turns, (induce more understeer).[hr]
The understeer oversteer problem wasn't with full coilovers it was with the design of the Nex coils. The guy that designed them has no clue what he is doing and that is why the got recalled. The B&G set up is nice it rides good and tight but not to stiff cuz aparently I am one of the few that likes a VERY tight suspension. If you want the B&Gs I can probably get the best price around. Email me if you want at 2cute's mail
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I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Stiff suspension in general, ex: full coilovers, 'push' under hard-cornering, due to the inability of the suspension to travel when it needs it. That's just the way it is, you should try autocrossing, you'll find out.

I've done a full review on the NEX coilovers and I had them for 6 months, I am aware of the design flaws that were incorporated in them, but that was not topic of discussion.

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[hr]Stiff suspension in general, ex: full coilovers, 'push' under hard-cornering, due to the inability of the suspension to travel when it needs it. That's just the way it is, you should try autocrossing, you'll find out.[hr]
How do you figure??Coilovers are designed for better stabitilty and should have no relavence on uder or oversteer if they were designed correctly. Oh by the way I have run Autocross before.
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Old Jul 26, 2002
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well i have skunk2 coilovers and have no probs at all.
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My car pushes like a lil b*tch in the tight corners and I have the skunk2+koni combo. Im hoping that 22mm rear sway bar will help.
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[hr]How do you figure??Coilovers are designed for better stabitilty and should have no relavence on uder or oversteer if they were designed correctly. Oh by the way I have run Autocross before.[hr]
**Sigh**, Suspension Stiffness and Weight Transfer 101, (What every autocrosser 'should' know):
[hr]Stiffer suspension inhibits the ability of your suspension to travel under load or weight transfer.

( High-speeds Require Less Suspension Travel Response )
At high speeds, (over 80mph), the load of the weight transfer is too much for the suspension to handle, and the car gets tossed out of the turn. A stiffer suspension setup, (full coilovers), enables the car to handle more load and reduces the suspension travel which corrects this problem.

( Low Speeds Require More Suspension Travel Response )
However, at low speeds with full coilovers, there is not enough load for the suspension to compress. Causing the weight transfer to be absorbed by the tires instead of the suspension. And when more weight is forced upon the tires, it will cause the car to corner poorly, aka: understeer / push.

( Brakes Perform Better With More Suspension Travel Response )
The suspension travel is also an important part of the brakeing process. Because the suspension compresses slower, when you brake hard the weight will have to be fully absorbed by the tires and brakes instead of the suspension.[hr]
Coilovers, (without other modifications, like I mentioned previously), are not really practical for street use, and will increase the likely-hood that you could get into an accident.

Mr. 555 asked about the ride of full coilovers, and having had full coilovers for street and track use, I was adding my own experience and knowledge.

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So you are saying everyone at my local autocross with ground controls and konis have wasted thier money?
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Well no not really, I've been talking about full-coilovers. For street use, I find full-coilovers a little bit of an overkill. But I didn't say that you couldn't use coilovers for autocross, there are several ways to correct understeer. Look up a few posts, I recommended a couple ways to correct it:
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[hr]And to correct understeer you could install a thicker rear anti-sway bar (either 19mm or 22mm), or dial in the front softer than the rear, or dial in the rear stiffer than the front (if that feature is provided by your coilovers, not all full coilovers are fully adjustable).[hr]
You could also relocate your battery to your trunk. Add more negative camber to the front than the rear. Or add more tire pressure in the rear than the front.

But you do all that, and you'll probably be trying to avoid oversteer next. The goal is to make your car as neutral as possible. But in FWD cars its still somewhat difficult. Even when the car is set to neutral you still might notice some push on hard turns. And that my friend is when you'll have to whip out the e-brake and bring that backside around. God, I love drifting....

Anyways, personally, I prefer Koni-Shocks and Eibach Prokit springs. For my car and the way that I drive, I have found that they perform better.
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