Feel a big difference w or w/o strut tower brace?
i remember when i was once taking a offramp at 60mph before i put on a strut bar, my car was lose on the inside and steering response was not that great, and after i got it on, did it again, i felt that there is less flexing and the response feels better
True, however, a strut bar only provides lateral streangth. Your wheels and the force they provide in acceleration are not in the same plane.
Yep, a unit body car, just like my Taurus. I didn't add a strut bar to reduce wheel hop. A sub frame connector would do a better job at keeping the body from flexing down into the firewall. I used the strut bar to keep the car stiffer in turning.
But does nothing for wheel hop. There's not so much inward movement to affect any more wheel hop. Most McPherson strut designs put the strut at nearly a longitudinal position
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How, there's no real support? It will act more like a sway bar causing the other side to feel what the opposite side feels. Insteads of controlling up/down movement/ it uses the other side to help control lateral movement.
Getting stronger control arms, better struts, springs, stiffer motor mounts, sub frame connectors, stiffer bushings, etc will help you get your wheel hop under control.
Just some searching...
I did a lot of searching and found nothing that says a strut tower bar reduces wheel hop. I did find someone else saying that a strut tower bar WILL NOT reduce wheel hop.
Please draw me a picture...
Yep, a unit body car, just like my Taurus. I didn't add a strut bar to reduce wheel hop. A sub frame connector would do a better job at keeping the body from flexing down into the firewall. I used the strut bar to keep the car stiffer in turning.
But does nothing for wheel hop. There's not so much inward movement to affect any more wheel hop. Most McPherson strut designs put the strut at nearly a longitudinal position
.
How, there's no real support? It will act more like a sway bar causing the other side to feel what the opposite side feels. Insteads of controlling up/down movement/ it uses the other side to help control lateral movement.
Getting stronger control arms, better struts, springs, stiffer motor mounts, sub frame connectors, stiffer bushings, etc will help you get your wheel hop under control.
Just some searching...
I did a lot of searching and found nothing that says a strut tower bar reduces wheel hop. I did find someone else saying that a strut tower bar WILL NOT reduce wheel hop.
Please draw me a picture...
Yes you makes a few good points, and like I said, it reduces SOME wheel hop. I never said it would get rid of it completely.
It also depends on what type of bar (brand, material, thickness) you get.
And also, the stock struts, and most aftermarket struts, do not place the struts perpendicular to the ground. They are slightly aimed inward. This therefore causes them to be forced to the center of the car during compression. This causes flex in the body. Yes, a subframe would help alot more, but that is a whole different topic in itself. A strut bar, though, helps to reduce the flex, and less wheel hop.
So put that in your pipe in smoke it....
Yes you makes a few good points, and like I said, it reduces SOME wheel hop. I never said it would get rid of it completely.
It also depends on what type of bar (brand, material, thickness) you get.
And also, the stock struts, and most aftermarket struts, do not place the struts perpendicular to the ground. They are slightly aimed inward. This therefore causes them to be forced to the center of the car during compression. This causes flex in the body. Yes, a subframe would help alot more, but that is a whole different topic in itself. A strut bar, though, helps to reduce the flex, and less wheel hop.
So put that in your pipe in smoke it....
It also depends on what type of bar (brand, material, thickness) you get.
And also, the stock struts, and most aftermarket struts, do not place the struts perpendicular to the ground. They are slightly aimed inward. This therefore causes them to be forced to the center of the car during compression. This causes flex in the body. Yes, a subframe would help alot more, but that is a whole different topic in itself. A strut bar, though, helps to reduce the flex, and less wheel hop.
So put that in your pipe in smoke it....
A strut will sit how it is mounted. If you haven't changed the mounting points, or drastically changed the mounts, as well as control arms and such, it will sit just about the same as a stock strut. ***Tokes up***
Even if you do push them inward, your wheels are going to result in a slight amount more of negative camber at best. Driving a straigt line is NOT going to put much stress on strut towers. Your "flexing" will occur around turns, hence why these stiffen the car for turns. ***Takes a puff***
A strut bar does help reduce flex, just not any type of flex that would cause wheel hop. Even with flex, a good suspension will take car of it. ***Hands you a spoon to eat my ******
I haven't found one company that sells a strut bar offering reduced wheel hop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strut_bar
Last edited by yamahaSHO; Nov 18, 2006 at 11:30 AM.
STRUT BARS DO NOT REDUCE WHEEL HOP. (READ REDUCE AS "SOME").
A strut will sit how it is mounted. If you haven't changed the mounting points, or drastically changed the mounts, as well as control arms and such, it will sit just about the same as a stock strut. ***Tokes up***
Even if you do push them inward, your wheels are going to result in a slight amount more of negative camber at best. Driving a straigt line is NOT going to put much stress on strut towers. Your "flexing" will occur around turns, hence why these stiffen the car for turns. ***Takes a puff***
A strut bar does help reduce flex, just not any type of flex that would cause wheel hop. Even with flex, a good suspension will take car of it. ***Hands you a spoon to eat my ******
I haven't found one company that sells a strut bar offering reduced wheel hop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strut_bar
A strut will sit how it is mounted. If you haven't changed the mounting points, or drastically changed the mounts, as well as control arms and such, it will sit just about the same as a stock strut. ***Tokes up***
Even if you do push them inward, your wheels are going to result in a slight amount more of negative camber at best. Driving a straigt line is NOT going to put much stress on strut towers. Your "flexing" will occur around turns, hence why these stiffen the car for turns. ***Takes a puff***
A strut bar does help reduce flex, just not any type of flex that would cause wheel hop. Even with flex, a good suspension will take car of it. ***Hands you a spoon to eat my ******
I haven't found one company that sells a strut bar offering reduced wheel hop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strut_bar
Ok ****er well when you get into Nascar Tech let me know. I'll ask my instructor on monday and see what his opinion is. But considering we have already discussed this in our class and this was a question that was brought up, and explained as I did to you, he will agree. He has had over 20 years in dealing with cars, I believe he would know.
Lots of people have opinions... Whether they have 2 years or 20. You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or Nascar tech, seeing how they don't launch their cars and VERY RARELY have to deal with 'wheel hop' issues) to understand physics.
You told me to read up on it, AND I DID, even though I knew the answer. Searching the WWW, I was unable to find anything to back your statement.
Seeing how you don't know what I do for a job, nor my education level, which I assure you is MUCH higher than yours, nor what subjects, areas, career fields I am trained in, you may want to use some caution before spouting your mouth. Haven't you noticed that no one hear backed up your statement?
I think that's all I have to say to you. I don't need some teenager pissing me off with his ignorant and naive attitude.
You told me to read up on it, AND I DID, even though I knew the answer. Searching the WWW, I was unable to find anything to back your statement.
Seeing how you don't know what I do for a job, nor my education level, which I assure you is MUCH higher than yours, nor what subjects, areas, career fields I am trained in, you may want to use some caution before spouting your mouth. Haven't you noticed that no one hear backed up your statement?
I think that's all I have to say to you. I don't need some teenager pissing me off with his ignorant and naive attitude.
Ok well then what is your education level smart ***. Also I don't see anyone here backing you up either.
Oh and since you have no clue what nascar tech is all about; my instructor doesn't do much in nascar. He is an instructor for Ford. The first part of the class is to certified by Ford. So actually he does know quite a bit about wheel hop.
Oh and since you have no clue what nascar tech is all about; my instructor doesn't do much in nascar. He is an instructor for Ford. The first part of the class is to certified by Ford. So actually he does know quite a bit about wheel hop.
[QUOTE=Wngman200;4087059]Ok well then what is your education level smart ***. Also I don't see anyone here backing you up either.
Yes, I do know what NASCAR Tech is and it doesn't take a Ford certified person to know someone. I've got a great friend down the road how used to be an engineer at Ford, but I don't need to brag about it.
There are litterally thousands and thousands, if not millions of people that have an understanding in wheel hop. Apparently, you and your instructor are the only ones on the same page.
As far as my education level... Probably about $150k more than you'll make in a year. It doesn't take a tech at Ford or at any company to become smart.
STRUT BARS DO NOT REDUCE WHEEL HOP! Kids these days... Don't worry, I was just as stubborn as you, so there is a chance you'll grow out of it.
Oh and since you have no clue what nascar tech is all about; my instructor doesn't do much in nascar. He is an instructor for Ford. The first part of the class is to certified by Ford. So actually he does know quite a bit about wheel hop.
There are litterally thousands and thousands, if not millions of people that have an understanding in wheel hop. Apparently, you and your instructor are the only ones on the same page.
As far as my education level... Probably about $150k more than you'll make in a year. It doesn't take a tech at Ford or at any company to become smart.
STRUT BARS DO NOT REDUCE WHEEL HOP! Kids these days... Don't worry, I was just as stubborn as you, so there is a chance you'll grow out of it.
Yes, it is rediculous! I actually track my other car and I DO have the modifications we've discussed. I'm not talking just about a quarter mile. I run the car on road courses and canyon runs. Believe me, I do my research and test/tune it before I ever trust it on a serious canyon run.
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