Sway bar question.........
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Sway bar question.........
I want to purchase a sway bar for my car, so that i can eliminate the udersteers and here my question...
what would be a better choice if money was not involved
Stock fron and RSX-S rear
or
Progress Front and Progress Rear
what would be a better choice if money was not involved
Stock fron and RSX-S rear
or
Progress Front and Progress Rear
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It depends on the rest of your suspension. If its still stock, I would get the 19mm one. If its lowered with something fairly stiff, I'd get a 22mm bar, but NOT the progress bar, as it seems to snap endlinks like nobodys business. From looking at pictures, the bar isn't dimensioned right and it loads the endlinks way too much.
Get a Comptech 22mm bar or the JDM ITR/CTR bar.
Get a Comptech 22mm bar or the JDM ITR/CTR bar.
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i have progress spring right now, but already bought Omni power coils.....
Would it be better to leave the fron bar stock, and get aftermarket rear, or would front and rear aftermarket be a good choice
Would it be better to leave the fron bar stock, and get aftermarket rear, or would front and rear aftermarket be a good choice
Yeah the progress rear snapped my endlinks, but i got grey's endlinks and the setup is fine. The progress kit or any other 22mm+ sway bar is going to give you less understeer than the rsx bar, but it depends on what year civic you have. If you've got an 01 or 02 i'd recommend a 22mm bar, but if you've got a 03 or 04 the rsx bar will be fine... also getting the progress front bar will increase understeer but will reduce body roll. I've got both progress bars and i'm happy with my setup
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yeah but i just wanted to know...
and since most people dont buy afront sway bay, i mean just a RSX-S rear make the car more neutral, but what about thicke strong and rear like Progress and S/T, that would live the car neutral also wouldn it, and with less body roll....
and since most people dont buy afront sway bay, i mean just a RSX-S rear make the car more neutral, but what about thicke strong and rear like Progress and S/T, that would live the car neutral also wouldn it, and with less body roll....
Well like i said b4 it depends on what year yoru car is. If you've got the smaller front sway bar the 19mm rear will be more of a neutral feeling while the 22mm bar will give some oversteer. If you've got the larger front bar the 22mm will give a more neutral feeling. An of course the larger the bar (in most cases) the less body lean you'll have. I think you'll notice a larger reduction in body lean if you upgrade the front bar than if you do the rear, but that's just a personal observation.
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How do you drive? If you like to take corners fast.... and is used to understeer, maybe the 19mm bar would be more suitable.... but if you dont mind having oversteer when lifting off the throttle, then get a 22mm bar.
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Tuning your suspension is kind of a personal thing, as you need to tune the car to your driving style and comfort level. No point in tuning the car to be *** happy if you dont like the rear end coming around on you...... also note that as you tune your suspension to more of the bleading edge of handling, that car will aslo be less forgiving you your mistakes along with it becoming more unstable....
With that in mind, I'd say that the 19mm rear bar is a good place to start. Its cheep and easy to install. after you run with that for a while, and get use to a slightly more Oversteer prone car, you may want to start fiddling with the bars again. (Larger rear, Maybe a smaller front ect ect ect). Just Change 1 part at a time, Tune slowly, build your driving skills and allways remember, if the car is oversteerng the WORST things you can do are lift off the gas and Hit the brakes! but rather do something that will help, like add in more throttle and countersteer.
With that in mind, I'd say that the 19mm rear bar is a good place to start. Its cheep and easy to install. after you run with that for a while, and get use to a slightly more Oversteer prone car, you may want to start fiddling with the bars again. (Larger rear, Maybe a smaller front ect ect ect). Just Change 1 part at a time, Tune slowly, build your driving skills and allways remember, if the car is oversteerng the WORST things you can do are lift off the gas and Hit the brakes! but rather do something that will help, like add in more throttle and countersteer.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
if the car is oversteerng the WORST things you can do are lift off the gas and Hit the brakes! but rather do something that will help, like add in more throttle and countersteer.
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Originally Posted by CivicMexicano
thaks, also on tie bars, would a Front Tanabe Sustec Lower tie bar, and Skunk2 Rear....
Would they do what?
Originally Posted by Zzyzx
Tuning your suspension is kind of a personal thing, as you need to tune the car to your driving style and comfort level. No point in tuning the car to be *** happy if you dont like the rear end coming around on you...... also note that as you tune your suspension to more of the bleading edge of handling, that car will aslo be less forgiving you your mistakes along with it becoming more unstable....
With that in mind, I'd say that the 19mm rear bar is a good place to start. Its cheep and easy to install. after you run with that for a while, and get use to a slightly more Oversteer prone car, you may want to start fiddling with the bars again. (Larger rear, Maybe a smaller front ect ect ect). Just Change 1 part at a time, Tune slowly, build your driving skills and allways remember, if the car is oversteerng the WORST things you can do are lift off the gas and Hit the brakes! but rather do something that will help, like add in more throttle and countersteer.
With that in mind, I'd say that the 19mm rear bar is a good place to start. Its cheep and easy to install. after you run with that for a while, and get use to a slightly more Oversteer prone car, you may want to start fiddling with the bars again. (Larger rear, Maybe a smaller front ect ect ect). Just Change 1 part at a time, Tune slowly, build your driving skills and allways remember, if the car is oversteerng the WORST things you can do are lift off the gas and Hit the brakes! but rather do something that will help, like add in more throttle and countersteer.
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Originally Posted by CivicMexicano
thaks, also on tie bars, would a Front Tanabe Sustec Lower tie bar, and Skunk2 Rear....
Originally Posted by Zzyzx
Would they do what?
ah
sorry, would those be a good choice on tiebars.... Neuspeed
I've searched these forums for answers, but I'm still unclear on whether the Progress Rear sway bar is superior to the Neuspeed or RSX bar.
People seem to like the progress and have little trouble with it; however, in this thread some users have reported their endlinks busting.
Neuspeed or Progress?
People seem to like the progress and have little trouble with it; however, in this thread some users have reported their endlinks busting.
Neuspeed or Progress?
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Originally Posted by GaryC17
Zzyzx, Have you heard of anyone snapping their endlinks with the ITR 22mm bar ? It is strange that the front of the '01 has a 25.4mm bar with the same end links as the rears and yet you can hear cases of snapped endlinks at the rear. How long would you think the endlinks can last with the ITR 22mm rear based on normal/ hard street driving ?
I dont know of very many people running the ITR 22mm bar... so I dont know how long a stock endlink will last.... All I do know is that I'm running a 2 point adjustible 25.4mm rear bar and have downsized my front bar to a 15.9mm (Stock was 25.4).... and I have aftermaket endlinks on the Rear bar (quite noisey though as the bar loads and unloads...)
ManUtd0018; most similarly sized bars are pretty much equal... unless one is solid and the other is hollow. There are some other differences that alter the strenght of the bar, such as length of the arms... But thats more on a case by case basis. Regarding if Neuspeed would be better then the progress bar.... I'd say they would be pretty much identical in performance. However, I understand that the Progress bar has a habbit of breaking stock endlinks (Due to the angle that it puts the endlinks at in relation to their mounts on the control arms).
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Besides the breaking of the endlinks neuspeed and progress are pretty much the same. The cheapest solution would be a generic tie bar with the comptech 22mm sway.
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