The Lightest wheel - Konig Helium
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a lot of factors go in to breaking a wheel like that. such as, did he hit something? Sliding sideways in to a curb would do that. also, how siticky of a tire is that? and what was he doing when it broke? Autocross? From the look of the tire (Dust and dirt) my guess is that the wheel was broken becaues of an accedent and not just from stress on the wheel. i.e. the wheel broke due to user error.
For your question, yes it could be assumed that the lighter the wheel, the more suceptible to damage it is. its the price you pay for performance.
For your question, yes it could be assumed that the lighter the wheel, the more suceptible to damage it is. its the price you pay for performance.
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Rep Power: 424 Thats an Azenis on the rim. Thats pretty a sticky tire, and looking at the way it broke, he slid into something and smashed it. Its pretty tough to just shatter off all the spokes like that just by laterally stressing it. I'd call driver miscue on that. I know a few people racing on Konigs, never with a problem.
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Rep Power: 315 Originally posted by synikal
I thought the heliums didnt come in 16s??
I was looking at those or slipstreams, but I want 16"wheels. If they do come in 16s I will probably get the heliums. how much do the 16" slipstreams weigh?
I thought the heliums didnt come in 16s??
I was looking at those or slipstreams, but I want 16"wheels. If they do come in 16s I will probably get the heliums. how much do the 16" slipstreams weigh? 
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Thats an Azenis on the rim.
Thats an Azenis on the rim.
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Rep Power: 424 ^^^ To the right of his hand... you can see 1/2 a K then the EN. Across from it I see an A. The lighting glares out the rest of it, but it looks like an otherwise blank sidewall. Its gotta be a Falken Azenis.
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Rep Power: 528 Originally posted by Boilermaker1
^^^ To the right of his hand... you can see 1/2 a K then the EN. Across from it I see an A. The lighting glares out the rest of it, but it looks like an otherwise blank sidewall. Its gotta be a Falken Azenis.
^^^ To the right of his hand... you can see 1/2 a K then the EN. Across from it I see an A. The lighting glares out the rest of it, but it looks like an otherwise blank sidewall. Its gotta be a Falken Azenis.
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Rep Power: 0 What im wondering is how he broke that much of the rim, and didnt get any tacos (where the rim is bent inward around the lip) or any dents along the side (if he were to have slid into something).
I dont wanna be an ill informed bitch, but that looks chopped to me. As to why someone would chop a pic like that, i have no idea.
I dont wanna be an ill informed bitch, but that looks chopped to me. As to why someone would chop a pic like that, i have no idea.
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Rep Power: 424 You can go off a track, hit soft dirt, gravel or mud, the tire would dig in but the car wants to keep going. Thats enough lateral loading to rip the rim like that. Thats not hitting the curb, but it sure as hell could do it.
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Rep Power: 0 If you want to go for performance wise then go with the 15's Heliums but if you want to go for looks then go up to 17's and 18's on other rims.
17's and 18's are not for performance at ALL !!! just to let ya know :P
17's and 18's are not for performance at ALL !!! just to let ya know :P
Originally posted by bruceski3
If you want to go for performance wise then go with the 15's Heliums but if you want to go for looks then go up to 17's and 18's on other rims.
17's and 18's are not for performance at ALL !!! just to let ya know :P
If you want to go for performance wise then go with the 15's Heliums but if you want to go for looks then go up to 17's and 18's on other rims.
17's and 18's are not for performance at ALL !!! just to let ya know :P
If the 17's were as light as a set of 15's then wouldn't they be as good or better than the 15's? I'm thinking the 17's would be more rigid and have less tire flex. If not then in theory would 14's be better than 15's? and so on down the line? I mean I see how wieght is a factor. And even height to some extent...but if I had lower profile tires it would keep the overall diameter the same would it not?
Again I'm not stating this as an opinion...but as a question I would like answered.
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Rep Power: 380 on the 17's vs 15's.... nope the 15s are still better.... would the 14's be better then the 15s yep aslong as they were as wide as the 15's.... Hell, I'd be running 13's If I could.
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the reason I run 15's for autocross and not 14's.. is that there arnt any tries in 14s that offer me any advantages over the 15's. Now if I were running a more open class then Yes I'd be riding on a set of 14X7s or 14X8s.
Tire wise on the 17 to the 15... well thats a matter of tire design. meaning that if a tire has a relitivly soft side wall then the 17 would be better at minimizing tire roll over. if it has a stiff sidewall (Falken Azenis) then the 15 would be better.
now on to overall diamiter.... Performance wise (at least for autocross and road racing) haveing a "short" tire vs stock helps with acceleration. example: I have a 01 EX, the stock tires were 185/65-15, my autocross tires are 205/50-15, 5.47% smaller then stock. What that means is, for any given MPH the civic with the short tires will be 5.47% higher in RPM (Closer to the power band) then the civic with the stock sized tires. Esentially you are shortining the Final drive ratio on the car.
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the reason I run 15's for autocross and not 14's.. is that there arnt any tries in 14s that offer me any advantages over the 15's. Now if I were running a more open class then Yes I'd be riding on a set of 14X7s or 14X8s.
Tire wise on the 17 to the 15... well thats a matter of tire design. meaning that if a tire has a relitivly soft side wall then the 17 would be better at minimizing tire roll over. if it has a stiff sidewall (Falken Azenis) then the 15 would be better.
now on to overall diamiter.... Performance wise (at least for autocross and road racing) haveing a "short" tire vs stock helps with acceleration. example: I have a 01 EX, the stock tires were 185/65-15, my autocross tires are 205/50-15, 5.47% smaller then stock. What that means is, for any given MPH the civic with the short tires will be 5.47% higher in RPM (Closer to the power band) then the civic with the stock sized tires. Esentially you are shortining the Final drive ratio on the car.
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Its a matter of inertia. The larger the wheel the more inertia it has, meaning the more torque you waste to get it rolling and keep it rolling. Inertia increases by squares, since the radius gets squared in the equation, even if you hold the mass of the wheel constant. My OZs are 17" and 15 lbs, my Si wheels are 15" and 17 lbs... the car still runs faster on the 15's. The extra inertia also adds unsprung weight to the car. Regardless of what it weighs sitting still, it acts like a lot more when its rolling. 17's add like 50 effective lbs to the car, even if they weigh the same as a smaller sized wheel. The only thing 17s will give you is more area to act as a heat sink to cool the brakes, but that doesn't matter much. I raced on 17s last year, had 0 problems and the car was still pretty quick through the corners. Next year, I'm taking the gearing advantage of 205/50s and the weight advantage of 11 lb 15" wheels to just add a little extra punch.
Zzyzx was that the explaination you were talking about?
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Its a matter of inertia. The larger the wheel the more inertia it has, meaning the more torque you waste to get it rolling and keep it rolling. Inertia increases by squares, since the radius gets squared in the equation, even if you hold the mass of the wheel constant. My OZs are 17" and 15 lbs, my Si wheels are 15" and 17 lbs... the car still runs faster on the 15's. The extra inertia also adds unsprung weight to the car. Regardless of what it weighs sitting still, it acts like a lot more when its rolling. 17's add like 50 effective lbs to the car, even if they weigh the same as a smaller sized wheel. The only thing 17s will give you is more area to act as a heat sink to cool the brakes, but that doesn't matter much. I raced on 17s last year, had 0 problems and the car was still pretty quick through the corners. Next year, I'm taking the gearing advantage of 205/50s and the weight advantage of 11 lb 15" wheels to just add a little extra punch.
Zzyzx was that the explaination you were talking about?
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