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Hard to get on the other tread! I still think the 7th gen civic is the best civic ever produced.

 
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Ron you still haven't said why you think that other than the "great" resale value. Which as I showed you before is far from what it used to be. Our 00 vic has a higher value than my 01.

 
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I think the 6th gen was the best ever produced...and the reviews of the automotive world reflect that.

 
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The reason I think the 7th gen is the best civic is beacuse I bought a new LX last year and have never had any problems. I did not buy my car for a street racer but for a comfortable commuter car with exe dependablity and resale value. OH YEA 2cute the local toyota dealer has a 2k1 lx with 17 k miles on it and they are asking over $15.000 for hows that for resale value.2cute why don,t you remove all those radical aftermarket accessories from your car , that will solve your problems.If you cannot live with the effects of aftermarket parts leave them off ther not for everyone!.I do think the previous generation civic,s made a better street racer but think the 7th gen is the best car overall by far........

 
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If the local Toyota dealer is asking $15,000 for a used LX 2k1 civic, it is because the person that traded it in got the best of the Toyota dealer, not because of the resale value.

RON, I had a 2k1 civic EX with no mods, and every other month I was back at the dealer with some problem. Every problem that was mentioned on this forum, my car had. Mods or no mods, problems exist with the 7th Gen civics. Yes some people are lucky to get a car with no problem and yes all cars manufacturers make lemons, but realistically speaking, I have never seen Honda take a reputation plunge the way they are taking it with the civic.

As for civic's being on the car lots only after a couple of years, this is so true. Civics are filling up used car lots. Many people are complaning about the 7th Gen civics.

I had one Honda Service Manager tell me, that there has been so many complaints and so much warranty work to be done on the civics that they are taking a loss on selling the cars. He also informed me that the stalling issue is becoming a growing concern. He says Honda does not know why the cars are stalling and has yet to remedy the problem.

He informed me that one customer came in with a stalling problem and they replaced everything, and the car kept stalling.

I have been to a couple more dealers about the Honda Civic, and have been told similar stories.

Don't get me wrong, the Civic is a nice car, but I think Honda needed to really keep the quality of the 7th GEN civc similar to the 6th GEN.

Also I found out through Honda Corporation management, that the 7th GEN civics were rushed and pushed through production and they knew about certain problems that would be facing with the new civics. I am pretty sure we all know about the fuel gage problem.

Basically it was more like push it through and fix the problems later. We must meet schedule.

If Honda does not change its attitude, a similar trend will be seen on the redesign of the Honda Accord.

Let's hope Honda gets its act together.

 
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Must be the weather. Like I said it happens more when it's hot and humid outside. Very weird.


Same thing here...they replaced my mass air flow sensor and idle control valve. They said they checked everything and can't find anything wrong. Stalled out right in front of the master tech when I took him out for a ride but he is puzzled. He can't diagnose it with his computer because there's no error code in the ECU and he contacted Honda Tech Support but no solution.


And mine is one of them out there because of this and other problems.

 
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the dealer got taken by someone trading in a car. ROFLMAO [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Ron get your head out of Honda's a$$. I'm sorry you think I'm an idiot but guess what I am not the only one that feels the 7th gens have MAJOR problems. ONCE AGAIN I WILL SAY THE MODS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROBLEMS WITH MY CAR!!!!!! Like I mentioned My friend is the manager for the Used Car store for Hoehn Honda. He has told me on MANY occasions they have more of 7th gen vic on the lot than any car in the past. Last time I was there, there were 7 7th gen vics on the lot. Three coupes and two sedans. I spoke to another sales man and he told me that they CAN NOT sell the things no matter what they do. Also this is not out of the norm. They have that many 7th gen vics there on a regular basis and they end up wholesaling them since they can't get rid of them any other way. Like I said in another post my hubby's 00 vic is worth (on retail resale quoted from the Kelley Blue Book website) $500 more than mine. So where is that wonderful resale value you are talking about? I'm sorry you are such a Honda Corporate kiss a$$ and can't see past the bullsh!t they have feed you. Oh I forgot to mention my hubby's car has twice as many miles as my car, the same mods(plus a couple), and has been used as a race car(unlike mine). So are you going to try and blame my problems on my mods again? All I have to say to this is THANK YOU! I have been saying that for a very long time now and no one else had the courage to agree. Oh and the reason the Toyota dealership has that LX sitting on their lot for $15,00 is because the way used cars and new cars work (less with new car) is they put a sticker on the car that is a substantial amount over what they expect to get for the car. They then make the customer feel like they are getting a good deal because the price has changed so drastically. i know of dealerships around here that the salesmen are allowed to knock off as much as $8,000 before they are required to consult with a supervisor. Also Ron I will tell you that chances are one of two things. The car will sit on that lot for a while and then maybe someone stupid will buy it OR (most likely) it will be sold wholesale.

 
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RON,

I have a CIVIC EX 2K1 and have had a ton of problems and actually went to arbitration on the car. I have NO MODs and would never modify a car other than a drop in K&N filter. I treat my car like gold. I have suffered with this car for some time and I will have to for some more time as well. I can only base my opinion on that fact that this is the third CIVIC I've owned and it's an inferior car. My biggest gripes are the seemingly fragile front suspension, poor quality of the drivers seat/rocking sliding and the brakes. It's especially sad in my opinion because I've trusted CIVIC's for so long and this time they have let me down. I definetly relate to anyone who appreciates these cars for what they are and doesn't modify them, modifying CIVIC's really garners you very little in performance results and only leaves your car open to problems.

Also as far as what these cars are getting on USED CAR lots. There is about a $3000 difference between trade-in value (what the dealer will give you for the car) and the retail value (what they will sell it for). A $15,000 CIVIC LX probably was traded in for closer to $12,000.

I will say this, I've driven the HYUNDAI ELANTRA GT, FORD FOCUS and HYNDAI ACCENT and can say this car, even with all of it's problems is far superior. But I have driven a few that I felt surpassed HONDA at this point in build quality...notably the MAZDA PROTEGE 5 and the TOYOTA COROLLA.

Take it easy guys/girls, I hate when this stuff gets into name calling. That just gets us nowhere.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/IMG]

 
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I will say this I have driven damn near every car on the market in a close price range. The Focus SVT, the Beetle Turbo S, the SE-R Spec V, the WRX, the RSX-S, the Tiberon V6, the Lancer, the Protege 5, the Matrix XR, the Celica GT-S, the Corolla S, the Vibe GT and the Trans AM ( with Ram Air and I know far from the price range) oh and the Civic Si Anyhow let me put it this way, the toyota VVT-I and VVTL-I engines are FAR superior to that of the V-TEC. The Vibe GT and the Celica GT-S both have the VVTL-I engine and once you hit that power band, unlike the V-TEC, you can feel the power. The Corolla and the Matrix both have the VVT-I engine and it is still far superior to the V-TEC with no noticable power band. The SVT Focus has just a little more power and the torque difference and drive is far superior to the vic. The interior comfort and design surpass the vic. The RSX-S and Si are both pieces in my mind there is no reason to pay the amount they want for bith of those cars for what you could get at a comperable price. For the same price as the RSX-S you could get the Celica GT-S the WRX I mean you could get a G35 sport coupe for that price. No brainer there. I will say the Lancer, Protege 5 and Beetle were inferior to the vic in a few ways bit so far out of the market Honda is not doing to good. Since their reliability has diminished and they just aren't keeping the market anymore they need to get their act together. I mean Ford is killing them in sales, Dodge will be preiity soon and so will Chevy. Toyota has already killed them and will continue to for a while.

 
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2cute! It all comes down to this if you hate the civic so damn much why are you driving one? Don,t you know that 99% of the people on this forum are laughing at you. Hell any car is subject to have a problem .Why don,t you just be honest you want another car because you want something different, and are trying to rationalize by downing all civic,s.

 
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LOl Hell yeah I want another car. Where have you been? There is no rationalizing anything involved. You still haven't explained why the 7th gen is the best gen vic. Everything you have said I can prove to you that you are wrong. Resale value uh well like I have said before my hubby's 00 vic is worth more than mine and it has twice the miles as mine. Reliability uh well that really isn't there either and I am FAR from the only person that says that. So what is SSSOOOO great about the 7th gen?

 
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Oh I forgot to mention the day I take my car back and hand the keys over to the a$$hole Bob Hoehn will be one of the best days of my life. I am not trying to tell you to do what I am you just STILL need to explain why they are so great. As far as everyone laughing at me well they can have fun.

 
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If you're such a car expert, and if you've test driven what you think are so many superior cars, why did you still buy the Civic then? I know a few of those weren't available yet at the time you bought your car, but I think some were.

And If you realized that there was not much power and torque from the Civic like you said, why did you still buy it after test driving it?

 
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Oh, and if you really want to compare the RSX-S to other cars, then check out this article: link

... and this one : link

And take note of who comes in first place.

But I suppose any source of information that does not put down Honda is inaccurate and has absolutely no credibility, right?

And a G35 for the same price as an RSX-S? Uh-huh ... and which universe do you live in?

 
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Ronin I did not test drive the car before I bought it. I WAS an avid Honda fan. Always have been but that has changed VERY quickly. I bought my car because of past experience with Honda. Almost all the cars that I listed were not available at the time I purchased my car. I think the few that were were the Celica, the Lancer and the Protege 5. As far as the RSX-S what do they cost $25,000 aproximatly right? For that why not buy the WRX or the GT-S? You get more power better treatment and a car that will have a good resale value and good reliability. Let me put it this way I went to the dealership and asked why buy the RSX over say the WRX or the GT-S and the response I got from the slaesman was you just have to like it better in the first place. Now tell me if it is such a good car why did he not have any selling points?

 
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I see... so you didn't even test drive the car before you bought it. In that case, I don't think you should be complaining about the lack of power in the Civic in comparison to other cars, at this point. You bought your car without even test driving it first... nobody to blame there except yourself.

And an RSX-S is not $25000... and neither is a G35 for that matter. Before you start making more statements like how it's possible to get a G35 for the same price as an RSX-S, I very much recommend that you check out a site like MSN Carpoint first.
I guess if one car salesperson does not have any good things to say about the RSX, then it MUST be a bad car, regardless of what respectable sources like Edmunds.com and Car and Driver have to say about it, right?

When in doubt, always trust the sales guy ...

 
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2cute! Why don,t you just drive the little civic and quite complaining about it. This is a small inexpensive commuter car not a 50k bmw or mercedes, there may be a few rough edges that is what the warrenty is for.Let me leave you with this thought ,when I was a young man about your age I was constaintly messing around with my cars ,modifying this replacing that, and always looking and listining for trouble. I have in later years through much experience learned not to borrow trouble (if it,s not broke don,t fix it) and above all just drive it and don,t try to second guess the engineers who designed it. Hell! you got a 3 year 36k warrenty and if that is not enought they will sell you a 7 year 100k for less than $1k . Just drive it and let honda worry about the problems......

 
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I must admit, it raises eyebrows when you hear about people who have problems with their car after doing so many modifications. I would agree on that statement. With that it mind, I find it impossible to defend anyone who modifies their car. The majority of aftermarkt parts look and feel like crap.

Only thing is, in this case. There have been just too many gnawing problems with this car. There are problems that seem to be universal - not just select cases. Check out all the threads on people complaing about blown struts and stalling. For me that's alarming to hear coming from a HONDA. It seems like the only thing that HONDA puts any real care into is the engine.

 
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This is a new generation civic only out a couple of years , leaking struts and stalling these sort of issues will be worked out (that is what the warrenty is for) it just takes time, when any new generation auto comes on the market there is always issues to address. I know these things are troublesome but these are good little cars and the problems will be fixed .....I am sure not going to let my civic go and them wish at a later date I had kept it (been there done that).

 
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Ok Ron you keep saying "that is what the warrenty is for" Well what do you do when the warrenty doesn't work?? I bought my car because it was a Honda. Not because I expected great performance. I bought a Honda because in the past they were reliable. Not the first Civic we have had but definatly the last. When I went to go by a new car there was no question in my mind I was getting a vic. Oh and Ronin yes you can get a G35 SPORT COUPE for around 25,000. No the sedan is like 31,000. Oh and the RSX-S does go for about 25,000. As far as checking out different site for prices... scr*w that I go by what info I get when I go to a dealership and say what can I walk out the door for on this car. i think that is a little more reliable due to dealer markups and sales.

 
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25k? Where are you getting a Type S? Hawaii?

Invoice is 21,650. I got mine OTD $24,6 with OEM Kit...I know plenty of people who have gotten under invoice and OTD $22k no options.

 
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I just had to add from Infinitis website where I just "built my own" the G35 sedan has a base msrp of 28,950. Im sure a coupe isnt too much lower than that and Im sure they wont match invoice on that car yet...sure its 3 or so thousand dollars but im sure everyone can just come up with that...so your not getting a G35 for less than an RSX Type S. Better drop that one

You can take it to the 7G all you want, but be warned ive corrected you before on things on the 7G but if youre gonna talk **** on the RSX better make sure your statements are right before you type them in.

 
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Why buy an rsx? It's an acura, na, looks awesome, and the interior is awesome imo. To my knowledge the gts has 180hp and is a wee bit slower than the rsx. Plus, the rsx has some class to it. The gts, celica in general, looks like a 16 yr old kids boy racer car. Sorry, but it does.

Wrx. Nice car, but it is turboed and I don't think a FI car will ever be as reliable as a na one. It's just a wee bit fugly too.

Rsx is still the king. Nothing is like a bad boy honda engine screaming to an 8k redline. You just can't beat the experience imo. Oh, and the teg gsr engine is considered one of the 2 best engines to ever be produced.

 
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MBOW! I like the wheels on your vic where did you get them and how much......

 
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The gts i believe goes to 8k redline...but I didnt like the window angles when I drove it hence the reason I dont own one. Little expensive for that kind of car too.

 
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Last time I checked, the BASE RSX was still a better car than the CIVIC EX. A Base RSX with leather would be 20000 max. Yes, TYPE - S is the better car but, a base RSX also blows a CIVIC EX away and they lease real well too (often dealers make deals to lease these cars for under $300 a month with very little down). Also, there's an option of MANUAL or SPORTRONIC for those of us who have to sit in traffic everyday.

A TYPE - S could run you close to 25,000 including tax and fees unless you're tough with the sales guys at the dealers. But INVOICE price is usually a good starting point with HONDA/ACURA dealers because the car sell so well. So if you do pay 25000 for a TYPE-S you aren't getting a good deal at all. But even carsdirect.com lists it at around 23,500.

My question is, for those of us who are unhappy with the 7th generation CIVIC would you even consider an ACURA? Does the fact that they are the same company effect your decision? Personaly, I would still buy an ACURA.

 
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Personally I will NEVER own another Honda product be it Acura or Honda unless it come directly from Japan and even then if I was to get a car from Japan it honestly wouldn't be a Honda. As far as the RSX-S being $25,000 when I test drove one it was stickered at $25,000 due to dealer extras added and the markup. In fact I think it was stickered a bit over $25,000. The RSX-S my hubby drove was also stickered at $25,000(two different dealerships). Also I went to another Acura dealership and the same thing they were stickered anywhere betweeen $23,000 and $26,000. As far as thre G35 sport coupe from what I have seen of it and from what the Infinity dealership told me they will be stickered between $25,000 and $28,000. They don't have a definate price yet but that was the info I have gotten so far and yes the G35 that is here right now is tagged at aproximatly $31,000. The GT-S, I could have gotten the "looks fast model" for $25,000 out the door. In my opinion it would be well worth it.

 
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2cute, I am not doubting you on this. Most dealers are scumbags and will try to rip you off any chance you get. As I said, i personally wouldn't let this present car keep me from buying an ACURA but, I really will be making a concerted effort to support American companies from here on in. HONDA donated absolutely nothing to 9-11 relief.

 
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So glad I have a 6th gen