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Old Mar 27, 2011
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A Few Problems

Hi, I'm having a few problems that I'll try to explain as best as possible.

I recently took the car in for servicing where the rear brakes were replaced. After getting the car back I am noticing some noises. The first one is when I am coming to a stop (and also when I start accelerating from stopped position), I hear this humming/grinding sound. It isn't a solid constant noise but rather it seems like something is rotating and making contact with something else at a certain point. So as my speed increases the noise is shorter in length but increases in frequency until it eventually goes away when I am fully stopped or when a certain speed is reached. This makes me believe that this has something to do with the brakes or something in the wheel area. What makes it even worse is that it doesn't happen all of the time so when I took it to show the mechanic I couldn't get the noise to occur. I actually haven't heard the noise for the past few days but I am still worried because it seems strange that it would just go away.

The other noise is when I am taking my foot off the brake I hear a squeaking noise. I told the mechanic but he said it's a common problem. I don't really find that acceptable as I didn't hear these noises before, so I am wondering what the reason for this noise is so that I can tell him specifically what to do.

The third problem does not have to do with a noise, but rather my check engine light. The light came on so I took it in and the computer showed P1457 EVAP code, which I think is the control canister. Now, a few days earlier my car got hit in the rear driver's side door, which now has to be replaced. I'm wondering if the accident could be a reason for this error code, and if not, how hard is this canister to replace?

One final thing is that when the car is in idle it shakes and feels like it's going to cut out.

Sorry for the long post. I hope everything is clear.

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Re: A Few Problems

What year car and what kind of brakes?

I assume you have rear drum brakes, the noises you describe is probably the brake shoe dragging on the brake drum. Not a problem if he put the brakes on and adjusted them correctly. It will usually go away after a wear in period.

The squeaking sound is probably coming from the front disc brakes. There are anti-squeak plates or springs, called hardware, and a glue like liquid that are meant to stop the squeaking. Maybe your mechanic did not put new anti-squeak hardware in. Some brakes are harder to stop squealing than others. If your mechanic did put everything back together correctly, the squealing may not be a problem.

I don't have any idea about the trouble code, but your last problem could be the engine needing tuned up or at least minor adjustment which a mechanic should be able to give you a better idea how to fix it.
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Re: A Few Problems

quoted from clempot911, because his explination is better than I have time to write.

I know yours is a V-6, the EVAP system on that vs. a 4-Cyl may be slightly different (but the TSB I looked at didn’t differentiate, so I assume they are really the same). In any rate, here’s a write-up I did regarding this on my ‘00 Accord a while back. Hope it helps.

P1457 is caused when there is a leak detected in the EVAP emissions system. This system collects and stores fuel vapors in a special canister until conditions are met which allow them to be burned off by the engine. This is not to be confused with a P1456 fault which may happen with a loose gas cap.

Many Honda models between 1998-2004 have problems with this system because of it’s design. Honda put several of the key components in a very susceptible area – next to the driver’s side rear wheel well (at least that's the location on the Accord). When you drive in wet conditions, these components get splashed with water. Even worse, in the ‘rust belt states', the components get splashed with ice/snow melting chemicals, which are even more corrosive. With time, the water, or chemicals, corrode the exterior of the parts and work their way down into the components, and start corroding them on the inside. Once the components start to corrode on the inside it’s very likely they can short out.

Unlike many other faults which set a Check Engine Light (CEL), this is one you DO NOT want to ignore. If a component shorts out, when the Powertrain Control Module (PCM, the computer that runs the engine) tries to activate the valve/solenoid, it instead finds a dead short...which can blow the transistor controlling that output. Once that happens, there’s no fix – except a new (expensive) PCM. Unfortunately, the EVAP system ‘runs’ whenever the PCM sees that the correct conditions are present – that means that it may run several times a day on 1 vehicle, and a lot less frequently on another, it’s all based on what the conditions are. Which is to say, one vehicle may have PCM damage happen quickly, while another may not. To avoid the possibility of ruining the PCM, its best to fix the problem as soon as possible. If there is damage and you do not replace the PCM, the CEL will never go away, and in many states that means you will fail the Emissions Inspection.

Most likely, the fault is being caused by 1 or 2 components: The Canister Vent Shut Valve, or the EVAP Two-way Valve Solenoid. Depending on the situation, you may be better off dropping the EVAP canister (the rectangular plastic canister next to the driver’s side rear wheel) down to get at the components – once you unplug any hoses/connectors going to/from the canister, there is 1 bolt that holds the canister to the vehicle. Make sure you label where everything goes, and plug any hoses – there may be gasoline fumes coming from them. Note that some hoses are longer and may allow you to drop the canister with them attached.

The Canister Vent Shut Valve is mounted on the EVAP canister, has an electrical connector and a large hose connected to it. It’s attached to the canister using 2 Phillips head screws. It’s a good bet that these are very corroded. You can try spraying some rust penetrant on them and let it sit a while before attempting to remove the valve, but chances are you may strip the screw heads. If that happens, option 2 is to use a set of needle-nose locking pliers (like Vice-Grips) to clamp onto the screw heads and slowly work them out, taking your time and working the screws back & forth. If at any point the screw stops turning, STOP. Screw it back in a ways, then back out. Don't force them out - the screw threads are mounted in the plastic canister housing and can break off.

Once the valve is out you can test for a short or stuck valve by applying 12V to the terminals – make sure you check for any polarity labels on the valve. You should hear it click. But even if it does click, it may still leak/vent to the outside due to corrosion of the outer clamp assembly that holds it together. If you want to test for that you need to plug one side, apply a few PSI of pressure on the other side by using a Mityvac or something similar, and brush a soap solution around the seams. You will see it bubble around the areas that it leaks. In my opinion, for the cost and since you already have it out, replace it – it will eventually fail anyway.

The other likely component is the EVAP Two-Way Valve Solenoid. This unit is under a 2 piece cover, has 2 hoses visible going to it, and is to the side of the EVAP canister. Pry one of the covers off to get access. The hoses attach to the valve, which is probably OK, but the actual solenoid attaches opposite the hoses. The solenoid attaches to the valve using 2 screws, and attaches to the vehicle using 2 screws. There is also an electrical connector at the top. You may need to remove the valve/solenoid as an assembly to check and work on it – if so, there are 3 hoses total connected to it, make sure you plug any hoses as you remove them, and label them so you know where they go.

Once the valve is out you can test for a short or stuck valve by applying 12V to the terminals – make sure you check for any polarity labels on the valve. You should hear it click. If you do not, a replacement solenoid is available, make sure you replace the 2 o-rings that seal it to the valve body.

Re-install everything onto the car reversing your disassembly steps. If possible, reset the Check Engine Light. You should be all set.
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Re: A Few Problems

yo,
i have a honda that was in an accident. the fram is shoot, but the motor is still good. i was wondering what other models of honda have the same motor mounts and other requierment needed to put the motor in without to much of a hassle.

any infor would be a great help thanks.
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Re: A Few Problems

Start your own thread and put enough details in the title so guys understand what car and motor your have.

For example

"What bodies will my XYZ motor swap into?"
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Re: A Few Problems

I have an '05 Civc VP, 4 cyl 1.7L. I have had a humming noise for a month or so now that I can't figure out. I hear the noise whenever I'm driving regardless of speed. It has a rotating sound to it however from what I can tell it is not the clutch, trans, cv joint, or in the engine. No humming at all while stopped/idling. Noise is louder as car accelerates, rotating noise is faster. I want to say wheel bearing but sound seems to be on both sides of front end but the front ride side was just completely replaced a yr ago when someone decided it would be funny to drive their truck on top of my pass. front tire. any suggestions or tests to help narrow down to cause??
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Re: A Few Problems

Originally Posted by stoverda2
I have an '05 Civc VP, 4 cyl 1.7L. I have had a humming noise for a month or so now that I can't figure out. I hear the noise whenever I'm driving regardless of speed. It has a rotating sound to it however from what I can tell it is not the clutch, trans, cv joint, or in the engine. No humming at all while stopped/idling. Noise is louder as car accelerates, rotating noise is faster. I want to say wheel bearing but sound seems to be on both sides of front end but the front ride side was just completely replaced a yr ago when someone decided it would be funny to drive their truck on top of my pass. front tire. any suggestions or tests to help narrow down to cause??
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stoverda2, if you cannot read there is no point in asking...
yours does not seem to be related to this thread.
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Re: A Few Problems

havent been able to figure out how to do that yet. what am i missing
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