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Noise with genuine shocks

Hi, people, are you all ok?

I'm from Brazil and I have a Civic EX 2005 and I would like to share a doubt about its suspension.

30 days ago I have replaced theses items ahead:

1) Front shocks (genuines);
2) Strut mounts (genuines);
3) Bearings (genuines);
4) Coil Springs (Fabrini).

After replacing, I realized that ground clearance was huge (the tire clearance was more than 4 fingers).

So, when I pass through a big speed bump (or a short speed bump with a speed higher than 20 Km/h) or over a wavy asphalt a usually hear a noise like a "TOK" or "CLOK". It only happens in these situations.

I have talked with a guy from Honda Auto Center and he told me it is normal because the genuine shock absorber has a short range piston and springs are brand new.

So, is this really normal?

I hate to hear any noise in my car and I always choose genuine parts to avoid these situations.

Thanks in advance, folks.

Regards,

Peter.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

I would also check sway bar links and control arm bushings. Either one can cause noise over bumps.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Center nut not tight enough?
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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I would also check sway bar links and control arm bushings. Either one can cause noise over bumps.
Many thanks for having replied me too fast, my dear.

I forgot to mention, but I already have replace both control arm bushings and I have removed the sway bar to ensure the links weren't the problem.

Even though trying these tricks, the noise keeps appearing.

More than 1 year ago I have replace some other parts. They were:

1) Ball joints;
2) Sway bar links;
3) Control arm bushings;
4) Inner and outer tie rods;

One more time, thank you so much.

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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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Center nut not tight enough?
Well... I really don't know.

However, I have bought a new pair of TRW brake discs and I will replace the old ones as soon as possible.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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Center nut not tight enough?
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Well... I really don't know.
I meant the one big nut on top of each strut that holds it all together. Sometimes it's difficult to get that tightened properly and it can make a lot of noise if it's not.

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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Originally Posted by ezone
I meant the one big nut on top of each strut that holds it all together. Sometimes it's difficult to get that tightened properly and it can make a lot of noise if it's not.
Ahhhh ok... I thought you were talking about the wheel center nut.

I will check and try to tight it again.

Sometimes I think this issue is related to the ball joints. However, they were replaced by TRW ones in 2016 when my car was wearing KYB shocks (they leak in 2017 and I decided to buy genuine shocks to replace them).
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

I just checked the center nut and it is very tight.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

check if the springs have been properly indexed.

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/4...like-pics.html
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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check if the springs have been properly indexed.

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/4...like-pics.html
Many thanks for your reply, my dear.

I followed the service manual during the assembly and I think I did everything right

Even though I have chosen the TRW ball joints (here in Brazil they are a very nice manufacturer), I'm thinking they could be failed (they are +- 1 year old). However, some months ago both boots were ripped because their rings went to a wrong position and cut the rubber. I found another boots, put more grease and replace the old ones (they seemed to be ok when I checked them (no loose or worn)).

I will just add some pics to try to describe better.



Front tire clearance





Rear tire clearance



Ground clearance



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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Why is one side 5cm higher than the other/.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

and... you need new tires and alignment...
urgently...

Yeah, TRW are good.
ezone, the pictures with the fingers, one shows the rear, the other the fronts

plateau... Tu ta no centro, tipo Brasilia, Goias?

usual things that cause knocks after suspension replacement: Sway bar endlinks and top mounts.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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Why is one side 5cm higher than the other/.
Did you mean between left and right or front and rear side, my dear?

In the front, the clearance is almost 6 fingers and 4 fingers in the rear.

But the clearance between left and right is the same (I think).
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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and... you need new tires and alignment...
urgently...

Yeah, TRW are good.
ezone, the pictures with the fingers, one shows the rear, the other the fronts

plateau... Tu ta no centro, tipo Brasilia, Goias?

usual things that cause knocks after suspension replacement: Sway bar endlinks and top mounts.
Hi, bro, are you brazilian?

I'm from Belo Horizonte (700 Km fron Brasilia and 600 Km from Sćo Paulo).

In the last weekend I replaced all tires and the alignment has been done. I have bought the tires on the internet and the delivery was so late.

To ensure that the sway links were ok, I had removed the sway bar (with the sway links too) and the noise kept there.

The strut mount are genuine and brand new. Is there any chance of failure? ( I have replaced the shocks and struts only one month ago )
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

then inspect the control arm bushings. If the rubber are torn, it could be the cause.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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then inspect the control arm bushings. If the rubber are torn, it could be the cause.
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Very nice, bro!

I will try to disassemble the LCA during the night to inspect better the rear bush. I really think the front (the bigger one) is ok.

Is there any chance of noises when passing through speed bumps if the tie rod has a free play? The driver's side was looser than the passenger's side.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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tie rod has a free play?
What do you mean free play? The outside of the tie rod has a small ball joint so it can swivel a little but there shouldn't be any other movement besides that.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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What do you mean free play? The outside of the tie rod has a small ball joint so it can swivel a little but there shouldn't be any other movement besides that.
I will record a video to explain better about this "free play", my dear.

Thank you so much for your cooperation.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Hi, folks.

I decided to remove the LCA to check the bushes and the ball joints and I realized that the rear bush is broke/cracked and the front one has no resistance to move (is very easy to move it using a screwdriver).

Further, I recorded a video to explain better my doubt.


Thanks in advance, folks.

P.S: I have checked all ball joints and the tie rods and both seem to be ok (no looses or worn).
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Front bushing is supposed to be easy to move, the center is only connected with the two strips of rubber.
It looks like the two parts of rubber on your bushing are not torn badly yet? Difficult to see in the video.

If its rubber were torn completely apart the forward end of the lower control arm would be able to move freely up and down and make unwanted contact against the subframe (clunk noise) upon bumps in the road

Found this pic of a badly torn bushing on google image search:
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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Front bushing is supposed to be easy to move, the center is only connected with the two strips of rubber.
It looks like the two parts of rubber on your bushing are not torn badly yet? Difficult to see in the video.
Hi, my dear, are you ok?

The front one is starting to rip in the edge. Further, the rear one is completely ripped.

So, these things could cause the issue (clunk noises) when hitting or passing through a speed bump?

One more time, thank you so much.
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Torn rear bushing could be a possible cause of noise, yes.

I believe your forward bushing has not yet ripped badly enough to allow the arm to drop and contact the subframe.

But you already have the control arm out of the car so if you intend to replace one bushing you may as well replace both.


Be sure to neutralize the control arm upon reinstallation so the new rear bushing is not preloaded causing premature failure.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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Torn rear bushing could be a possible cause of noise, yes.

I believe your forward bushing has not yet ripped badly enough to allow the arm to drop and contact the subframe.

But you already have the control arm out of the car so if you intend to replace one bushing you may as well replace both.

Be sure to neutralize the control arm upon reinstallation so the new rear bushing is not preloaded causing premature failure.
Roger that!

The incredible is this clunk noise only happens when I hit a speed bump. If the pavement is wavy I don't remember if I have heard it.

So, that's why I think both things (a soft rubber in the front bush and a ripped rubber in the rear) can cause this issue.

Here in Brazil every genuine part in Honda is very much expensive. The cost of this pair of rubber bushes is +- US$200. Further, if I decide to import from USA, the shipping is high and the customs fee is close to 100%.

I will try to buy a new pair of LCA from Monroe this week and replace the old ones.

Thanks, bro.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

When assembling new front struts/springs etc., did you install a new stopper (bump stop) to the shaft of the shock?

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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Crap. Try image again

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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

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Crap. Try image again

Sure, bro.

The old one was not torn or worn but I decided to put everything (shocks, struts and stopper) brand new.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Hi, folks
After same days trying to find the main issue I think there is some clearance/backlash in the power steering.

I have recorded this video to explain a little more about. I have replaced the rack slider with these one 6 months ago:





One more time, thank you so much.

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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

I have replaced the rack slider with these one 6 months ago:
Recheck all fasteners, maybe something has become loose!
I have recorded this video
You may be able to determine where the noise originates using a mechanics' stethoscope or even a simple long dowel or long screwdriver held to your ear
You will need someone sitting in the car turning the steering to produce the noise while you search

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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

Hi, everybody

Good news, guys!

The problem has been solved and it was related to the springs.

When I replaced all mentioned parts, I chosen Fabrini springs instead of Showa’s because they weren’t available.

Analyzing the old spring, I realized that the last turn was too close to the next stage (as shown in the image below) and there was rust and some evidences of impacts.


So, I decided to disassemble the suspension and the new one had the same “damage”.

Thus, I have put insulators on both sides (top and bottom) as described in the image below.


And voilą!!!

No more hits or noises even though I hit a speed bump with a high speed.

I don’t know if Showa springs have these insulators (top and bottom) but this trick saved my life.

It was driving me crazy because I spent a lot of money to let the suspension too much smooth.

That’s all, guys!

Thank you so much.
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Re: Noise with genuine shocks

ow... it was this simple...
yes, the stock ones do have the plastic pieces. (Couldn't even remember, I have been so long in aftermarket springs)

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