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Old Apr 17, 2003
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Honda Engines in Saturn!

Do you think Saturn owners can swap engines

http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_pow...onda/index.htm

Saturn Corp. is the only General Motors Corp. unit that will use engines and transmissions supplied by Honda Motor Co. Ltd., Ward's learns.

The Saturn Vue will be the sole GM product to use the ultra-low emissions-vehicle-certified 3.5L DOHC V-6, beginning with ‘04 models. Volumes call for 50,000 units annually for the 5-year life of the contract.

Vue's current GM-made 3L DOHC V-6 will be replaced with the Honda engine and a Honda 5-speed automatic transmission. The Vue will retain its GM-made 2.2L DOHC I-4 as its base engine.

The engines are built at Honda's Anna, OH, facility, which supplies V-6s for Honda and Acura vehicles. It is unclear whether power and torque ratings will differ for Saturn, but the V-6 will be “specifically engineered” for Saturn, says Jill Lajdziak, Saturn vice president-sales, service and marketing.

The Saturn decision ends speculation that began in December 1999, when GM and Honda first announced a technology and component-sharing agreement whereby Honda would supply V-6s and transmissions to GM.

A Honda source first told Ward's last fall that the V-6 would power the Vue. At that time, the plan was to supply GM with 75,000 units, down from the 90,000 units originally envisioned when the sharing deal was announced.

A Saturn source says the Vue program will take 50,000 units annually, raising the possibility of Saturn later using the Honda V-6 for the L-Series lineup, as it shares the GM-made 3L V-6 that the Vue is drops in 2004.

But a Saturn official says no powertrain changes are planned for the '04 L-Series. And L-Series could replace its 3L — imported from Ellesmere Port, U.K., — with GM's upcoming “High-Value” OHV V-6.

The decision on where at GM to use the Honda engine also appears to have been delayed at least once. Word is there was raucous debate in GM boardrooms about the matter. And Honda's desire to be an engine supplier is not as relevant today as it was during 1999's merger mania.
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GM is ghey....their engines are horrible
the cavalier still used the same old engines (2.2L) from the 80s
their engineers are doing nothing pretty much
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Actually they have a new 2.2L engine.. EcoTec.. good on gas.. smooth.. and mo'powah than Civics. Even old 2.2L engines are almost as good on gas as Civics on the highway.. very impressively considering it's bigger.

GM has been talking to Honda off and on for a while now, for them to supply engines for Saturn brand of cars.

I'm surprised it actually went through, considering how tight GM is with Toyota. GM's tie in with Toyota goes back to 10 years ago, starting with Geo Prizm, which was a Corolla with different face.

In Japan, they sold "Toyota Cavalier".. despite lack of success, they had a JDM TRD Body Kit.

Now they've moved on Matrix/Vibe combo.. in the future GM's Lotus Elise will be equipped with Corolla engines as well (in 138HP MR-2 spec, however). They did consider S2000's engine too..

Pretty sad, GM. It's not like they make bad engines...........
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