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i talked to Ian Law and he asked me to post the proposal in this forum to see if anyone is interesting.
Min is 15 ppl, max is 25 ppl
You have to use your own car

As many of you know I'm an instructor at a two-tiered Car Control School, with a Racing division. I have a proposal for you, and hope you'll take me up on my offer.

I want to setup a day for specifically your club, in Whitby where we have our Basic and Advanced Autoslalom (also called Solo II) schools.

We will cover in five exercises:

1) Skidpad (check out the effectiveness of lowered cars, stock height, tire selection, tire pressure). We will learn the effects of understeer and oversteer and how to throttle steer.

2) Braking box: Thresh-hold braking, and ABS manipulation, as well as the effectiveness of lowered cars, and those with high suspension modifications. Can you stop quicker? We will teach you how.

3) Slalom: See the effectiveness of suspension modifications. What works and what hinders high performance driving. Learn slalom techniques, and how to get the most out of your car and yourself. This is a great introduction into a big part of Solo II.

4) Collision avoidance: Brake to scrub off speed and get out of the lane that an obstruction is in. Power around and back into the lane you were in, to safely restore the flow of traffic behind you. Here we'll see the benefits of big brakes, AND the benefits of smaller brakes (in some cases).

In the afternoon, after lunch that we provide (Pizza Hut), we'll switch it up, and create a mock AutoSlalom (SoloII), type course. If you've always wanted to try your hand at this, here is your chance.

All of the above is covered in our "basic" school. We then have an Advanced Autoslalom School for those who want to prepare to compete in Solo II.

Our next schools are the Track School at Shannonville and Mosport.

We have taught the OPP, Haliburton Health Unit, Subaru Club, Prelude Club, Mazda Miata club, Viper club and many more. I want to extend this to you, and start igniting some real passion for competitive driving. Trust me, what you think you know now, you do not. Its truly a thrill, a rush and something you won't forget. Its also a great "try-before-you-buy" for competitive driving. Can you tell I love this stuff?

We can do groups of up to 25. Come out and cheer on your friends and watch how their cars handle and run, from an "outside" perspective as well. Here you'll really see what works and what doesn't.

Cost: $150 perr person for the day, which includes lunch and a certificate.

To the organizing individual from this club, who organizes this day with the club, will get their course paid for.

Check out our credentials at www.carcontrolschool.com.

I will provide dates for you to choose from soon.

BTW: We're at the autoshow on the Skydome 100 level. We have a bright yellow Viper there. Stop in and say hi. Tell whoever is there, that you're talking to Cam about a school date. You can check out the videos we have about the school, and get a feel for whether you're interested or not.

... just don't ask about the red stripped Civic that is a road-race car, and what it runs in the quarter.... you never know if a smart *** is going to tell you 9.8 @ 141 MPH. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

EDIT: We can offer you the dates of:

June 22nd, July 27, August 17, 24, Sept 7, 21 and others in Oct.

 
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hahahahaha u crack me up!!!!
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i've been to Ian Law's Car Control School.....2 years ago...... it was a lot cheaper than 150.... but.... lemme tell u........ its a real good course for drivers...... teaches you a lot about your own driving capabilities.... cuz i remember when i went there a couple years ago..... i thought i was a pretty good driver...... then after that course i realized that i WASN"T as good as i thought i was....... i was actually a newb..... i actually wanna go do it again......

the best part is near the end of the day when they set up the course and u race thru it.... tryin to get the best times.

 
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no thnx, I dont need driving school to teach me how to drive.... that's what Gran Turismo 3 is for, haha. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

really, I have to thank GT3 for saving my *** in more than one occasion. When my car slipped and was about to hit the car in front of me, my GT3 habit kicked in and I was able to drift and tail out to a private road to the right [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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need for speed : hot pursuit 2![IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]

 
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Yeah!! I think we get enough practise there!!

But it sounds interesting. Let me think about it.

 
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no offence but it;s quite sad of what u just said. playing video games and compare to real driving are 2 different things, just like comparing apples and oranges.

 
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Ok people... lets not post ***** this thread.

iamfob, I'm really interested in this. Count me in but I do have some questions.

Ian mentioned that we have to use our own cars. If that's the case then how do we learn ABS manipulation as well as the effectiveness of lowered cars if my car doesn't have ABS or is riding on stock springs?
And how do we learn about understeer when our car is not powerful enough to allow for this and oversteer when our cars aren't RWD? [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

These questions aren't meant to be disrespectful, I am really curious. I would love to learn how to Throttle Steer (Drifting baby woohooo!) but we can't learn half of these things in our cars. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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^^^ not true at all... I thank video games for my driving skills and avoiding certain accidents.

All of you know the left turn from Market Village.

I was making a left and there were no cars coming from the right.

I checked the left, there wasn't a car and I proceed to make the turn. Half way through, a car was coming
at AT LEASST 100KM/h. I slammed the pedal and speeded up straight into the ditch. Quickly made a hard left steer, the car skid but i was right back onto the road.

I thank all of that to DAYTONA!!!!. it was exactly like how u would play, trying to avoid hitting the other cars or going on the grass.



BTW. this course, what does it teach you besides breaking my car?

 
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so far these are the ppl who are interested...

1. iamfob
2. AznSaing
3. R1Style

copy and paste this list if u are interested and so on...

 
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R1Style: i will forward your question to Ian and see what he responses.

 
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Thanks! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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this is the email from Ian today.

Hi Ken,

I'm not sure what they mean by ABS manipulation? With ABS the driver is only required to apply full brake in an emergency and the computer will "manipulate" the ABS for them. This is one of the reasons ABS was developed, so that a computer can modulate the brakes and the average driver was not required to do that, as they lack the skill. If they have ABS on their cars, there are pros and cons to ABS. We will explain and show them both sides of ABS. If their cars are not equipped with ABS, we'll teach them how to "threshold" brake to simulate ABS. For that matter, we can show them "threshold" braking with ABS. They can trade cars with each other and experience both.

Secondly, as for lowered springs etc. as your club has a number of vehicles that are close to being identical, except for the individual modifications i.e. lowered springs, sway bars etc. this would be the ideal time for your group to see what the difference is between cars with different modifications. As each of your members will be doing the same driving exercises all in "7th gens", it appears to be an excellent opportunity to try each others cars to experience the difference each modification makes under the same conditions. Even if we had our own School cars, there would be a good chance they wouldn't be the type of car your club drives. We will discuss what mods do what and the pros and cons of each during the classroom portion.

As for understeer/oversteer, every car will understeer regardless of how much power in produces. We will show each of you what understeer is, how to recognize it and how to correct it, including what NOT to do. Very few cars will oversteer unless the suspension has been altered. This is the ideal time to see whether the suspension mods done to some of these cars will cause oversteer or not. Our skid pad will show your club exactly how the car will behave at and past the limit. Some cars can be made to understeer by changing tire pressures, but even the most powerful cars will understeer (even the mighty Vipers unless provoked into oversteer with the throttle).

It appears some of your club members are hoping that we would supply the cars for the School. We do have some School cars, but they are for students that do not have their own car. We can rent them ($150 extra per day per driver) out for those without a car. There is no way we can provide a complete one-day School including providing the cars for only $150 per driver. We could provide cars for everyone, but it would then cost around $400 - $500 per driver as with the BMW School. Besides, I'm sure your club members would rather know how their cars react in an emergency or at the "limit", not some car they may never drive again.

I hope this answers their questions, and by all means encourage them to ask more. We are quite happy to explain exactly what they will experience at our School. It does sound as if some members are not quite sure about ABS and suspensions, but that is what we are there for, to clear up all the misconceptions that exist about cars and driving.

Please let me know if they have any other questions.

Thanks

 
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Thanks for the info fob!

Btw.. when did I ever say that I didn't know how ABS worked? And I understand that there will be handling differences between a stock car and a lowered car (lower centre of gravity). No offence to you fob but he kinda answered my question like I didn't know anything about cars.

Anyways, I got a couple more questions.
1) How is the day setup? Could he give us a breakdown of the day? ie. First it's inclass, then lunch, then we drive, etc...
2) Are we going to be on a road course (track) or just a large empty area (like a huge parking lot)?
3) After completion of the course, we get a certificate. Can this be used in any way to lower insurance rates if I present this to them?

 
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ya i read his reply, i guess he is trying to make himself feel good by teaching us what ABS really is...etc
hahhah
and yeah i just forward your 3 questions to him and will post the reply when i get it.

so who else is interested beside me, R1Style and AznSaint?

 
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r1style: this is the reply to your 3 questions

Hi Ken,

We have as many answers as your group has questions, so please forward their questions on to us.

The day runs like this. We need your group to be at Durham College (Whitby) for 8am on the Sunday morning of your course. After registration and waiver signing, there is a two hour classroom session where we will discuss a multitude of topics from correct seating position to proper use of controls to driver psychology, vision training, ABS brakes, tire "tech talk", weight transfer, collision analysis and more.

From there the group will be out on our large parking lot driving through our exercises which include skid pad, threshold or emergency braking, slalom for proper steering technique, collision avoidance exercise and emergency lane change. At 12:30 we'll break for lunch which is provided by us. At 1pm we return to the classroom for a brief session to answer any questions and talk about vehicle maintenance and then return to the driving exercises until 3pm. At 3pm we hand out your certificates while our instructors set up an autoslalom course that combines all the new driving skills your group has learned into one fun autoslalom course. Your group can run through the autoslalom or Solo course until 5 or 5:30 to wrap up the day.

We have had some students say they have received discounts from their insurance companies after faxing in a copy of our certificate. It depends on which company and at which rating the student is now.

Our Track Schools are held at either Mosport or Shannonville. Our Advanced Autoslalom Schools (competition driving) are held at Durham College.

Thanks

 
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Sounds great ... now all we need are more people!

 
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the ABS and threshold breaking is done by slamming on the brakes when the instructor tells u to after flooring the car.....
oversteer/understeer is taught at the skidpad...... u keep going around and around faster and faster........

u guys will have a good time there.........

 
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yes I understand that but the my car (LX Coupe) doesn't have ABS. That's what I meant by it. How can we learn to use something when we don't have it?

Understeer/Oversteer isn't necessarily taught by driving around in a circle. This can be taught at high speeds taking a quick sharp turn.

 
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R1style: u have the 7th gen civic coupe right? i thought all the civic (7th gen) come with ABS as standard equipment?
i know my car has ABS and mine is LX sedan

 
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Yeah I have a 2003 LX Coupe and I don't have ABS. I think I read in the Civic brochure that only the Si's have ABS.

 
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is this anything like bmw driving school? I'm going there in june

 
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i have an lx sedan.... i have ABS

if u go to the driving skool..... u'll learn about all this stuff...... threshold braking is not meant for ABS.... its for non-ABS cars..... its braking hard without causing your tires to slid..... cuz once u skid..... ur not stopping the quickest...... its letting up on the brakes once u feel the weight of the car shift to the front and avoiding skidding.

the skidpad teaches u about oversteer and understeer...... how speed changes your cars turning abilities
but OUR civics are meant to understeer.

i WOULD goto this event.... but i'm goin wid some friends later on...... this course teaches YOU the driver a lot about your cars abilities and YOUR driving skills...... this is great fun..... u guys gotta try this out.

 
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Boo, can u sticky this? i really want this to happen if we have enough ppl