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Hmmm that's interesting.. well, you seem to be right about the gearing ratio. Strange why they only made 1st & last gear shorter... they should have just made everything shorter, except the 5th to conserve gas. i guess they had a reason.

LX are still torquier down below

 
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u knoe dat civic is going to win..haha..

 
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hehe. yea it seems that way. i can still stay with them no problem though, and once i hit 3rd it's over (stock vs. stock). I haven't gotten around to puttin I/H/E on yet. but i will over winter for sure. and that's all until i do something drastic (K24 turbo?)). I'm concentrating more on handling, since i've got a D series civic. So i'm also going to be putting Tein SS Coilovers in over winter. btw. first gear is shorter and 5th gear is taller (taller = lower speed at max rpm, ie closer), and all the gears are closer since the final drive is different.

Edit: lol. one last question? who said it was slower, an LX owner, because i know for sure that it's not. I've driven both a DX and my Si, and my Si is definatly quicker, once your moving of course. VTEC in 3rd and 4th is where you'll notice a difference. The cars perform pretty much identically under 100kph.

Edit #2: haha. alright, so maybe it wasn't one last question. But... can you post some dyno sheets showing that the Si generates only 1 or 2 hp, because i have a hard time believing that also, i've heard it makes about the 115 at the wheels. And another question. what made you think that because the Si was spinnin at higher rpms at the same speed it was making less power?!? If the cars did in fact have the same gear ratios the engines would be spinning at the same speeds when they were travelling at the same rate in the same gear, it doesn't matter how much power it makes, gears are gears. unless the clutch is slipping but that's a completely different problem which almost no one on the site has experienced. i think i'm done my rant. hehe. i'll wait for you to answer at least.

 
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[hr]Originally posted by: NitehawkVTEC


I read it on here on one of the threads.. several guys were saying that LX had quicker time to 1/4mile. It was posted by a Canadian publication, that actually tested Si & LX together (most mags just test one or the other). Do a search for it, you seem to be good at it But yeah, that's what it says... they went to even say that "it's be discussed many times and decided that LX is quicker to 1/4mile." I don't know how acurate THEIR claims are, but if someone creditble actually tested it, then I believe it..

As for the dyno, I read it on here also.. but it was a dyno chart from one of the intake makers.. and it stated approx 2HP advantage for the Civic Si. Might have been injen.. or k&n.. can't remember.

Keep in mind, feeling quick and actually going qiuck are two different things. My brother has a ghetto oldschool Ford Aerostar 3.0L V6.. and it FEELS fast! When you stump on it, it presses you again the back of your seat and gives you a whiplash. You swear it's faster than my Civic... but it's slower. Same with Camrys and such... they feel slower than Civics when you drive them, but in reality they are quicker.

I don't know if it means anything, but I raced a 6h Gen Civic Si Coupe, automatic.. and my 7th Gen LX automatic was quicker (by a couple of bumpers only). And I also raced my friend's Acura 1.6EL automatic, and again, quicker by 2 bumpers. Both of those cars are rated at 127HP (even though it's only 1.6L). They both had noticeablely shorter gearing on top of that (both cars shifted when I was only at 5,500RPM or so). I know my car has more torque, but if they also had 115WHP, with shorter gearing, they SHOULD have beat me.

I guess I'm just not a big fan of Honda's SOHC VTEC motors.. I don't think they are all that hot. But DOHC engines are amazing (previous SiRs, Integra GSRs, etc)..

 
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I don't think they are that hot either. but i do know it's faster. i've run with a friend with a stock LX many times. and once i hit 3rd, he just can't keep up (I have a system in my car too, and he doesn't, and it's not the driver). Also. I raced a Lightly modded LX (AEM Cai, Magnaflow Catback, AEM underdrive pulleys, again no system), all three of us ran actually (Stock LX Sedan, modded LX coupe, Stock Si). And the modded LX totally lost (the sedan and I stayed side by side, he lost like 3 car lengths and gave up, this was before third gear), but he blames his rims, which is probably true because they are very heavy (MR7s, same rims you have), and has since put his stock steelies back on and beat that sedan (but he said, he was even 3rd gear also). I have rims too, but they're pretty light (15lbs, 17"). another note, i had my resonator removed which should lower my performance (sucking hot air).

As for the 6th gens. i dunno what to say, since they're auto's, and i've never driven an auto civic (any generation), but I have beat 6th gen Si 5spds with at least exhaust (it's a visible mod) many times, as well as 6th gen hatches (without swaps of course). actually i've never been beaten by a D series 6th gen.

Also... I just read on edmunds.com that the 2001 ex 5spd ran a 16.2 quarter, and the LX 5spd ran a 16.5 quarter, not a big difference, but indeed it exists. another wierd thing is that the 0-60 time for the EX is 7.9, and the LX did it in 8.4 which is very interesting, because the EX really isn't faster below 60mph. and it is, above. so i don't know if we can count those numbers at all. lol. so much for that.

EDIT: forgot to mention, I'm not a fan of the sohc vtec motor's either. and I'm not saying my car is fast or anything dumb, but i'm pretty sure it's not worse than a non-vtec sohc D17.

EDIT #2: I just went looking for the Injen dyno sheets for our cars, but the bastards took em down. and now they only have the Si dyno sheet. i guess they weren't that proud of the gains...

EDIT #3: here are dyno sheets for the 2001 EX 5spd, 2001 LX 5spd, and 2001 EX auto. enjoy...

EX 5spd

DX/LX 5spd

EX Auto

6th gen EX

6th gen CX/DX/LX

 
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Teins rust like a biaatch!!Don't leave them on during the winter!

 
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haha..OMG..the EX auto making me laugh.. thats how much i have?[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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haha yea. look at the way the tranny eats the torque...

and 01coupe. The LX doesn't really have that much more torque down low, we're talking 4-5lbs-ft, you could hardly tell a difference.

 
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that's extra 5lb across the powerband... it's a lot, for a small car.

There was a minor torque increase from 1.6L to 1.7L, but when touting around in town, it's very apparent which car is torquier. More relaxed driving experience I guess.

Sorry I couldn't see any of your dyno links--I can't seem to install Adobe Acrobat Reader [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG]

 
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actually, it's about 4lb-ft more at 2500rpm, and it evens out by 3000, and after that the Si makes more.

EDIT: it's a pity you couldn't get acrobat installed. with the dyno sheets, you can really see the difference (there's a big spike when VTEC kicks in, but that's actually after the CAI is installed, without it it's not so clear) you can also see that our engines (D17s), do make a noticeable amount more torque than the 6th gens. Anyhow. if you want i can break it down to you and list the peak figures. or take screen shots with the dyno sheets and send them to you over MSN or something, if you have it. I'm d_kenway@hotmail.com, or my icq is 21730160.

here are the peak numbers for you...

LX MT,

Stock: 101.4hp, 102.5 lb-ft
CAI: 106.1hp, 106.6 lb-ft

EX MT,

Stock: 109.1hp, 104.9 lb-ft
CAI: 117.1hp, 110.1 lb-ft

EX AT.

Stock: 96.6hp, 92.2 lb-ft
SRI: 103.3hp, 97.1 lb-ft

99 DX

Stock: 95.4hp, 94.0 lb-ft
CAI: 106.2hp, 103.4 lb-ft

00 EX

Stock: 104.4hp, 93.2 lb-ft
CAI: 109.2hp, 100.9 lb-ft

Seems that the 6th gen Si's were pretty even with the non vtec models after the intake at least. 7th gen is actually an improvement.

 
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AHHH!!!!! To many numbers!!!!!!

 
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my eyes my eyes[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/IMG]

 
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lol sorry guys. haha. shoulda found dyno sheets in a picture, not a pdf. lol, numbers aren't that bad are they?

 
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celica has extremely good handling.

I sat on my friend's GT-S, 160km/h, curve...almost fainted, because I crashed on the same curve with accord EX-R at 140km/h

 
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wow, this is an ancient thread.

 
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what have YOU done?!

 
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Old but a good thread though....

 
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redvic....
want to go at it? i've been thinking about your car a lot lately... and i want to see what i can do w/ my car.

whats your time on the track?

 
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but wht happened to the race? who won??