ViEtDraGoN

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Hey guys, I Need Help On 2 Tickets I Just Got!

i've looked all around this site and also yahoo but not finding much help when it comes to laws in canada...
well the problem is i just got these tickets this morning for

1. Failing To Stop/Disobey Stop Sign
i admit it was a rolling stop but i didnt completely ignore the sign.
any suggestions anynone?

2. "Improrer Muffler"
i currently have a magnaflow exhaust. does anyone know what is the legal descibel reading b4 a loud muffler can be considered "too loud"? is it even worth fighting or should i just pay it off?
any suggestions?

Jay P

check torontocivics, theres some really detailed info on the HTA .

Karumba

iTrader: (7)

Have you read Adam's great thread about fighting tickets - http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=242734 ? Perhaps there is some helpful information you can get out of it..

ViEtDraGoN

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i did... i mean it does help but maybe someone has been thro this situation b4 n' can help me out 1st handed

jer2k

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I dont think Ontario has certain decibel limit on the exhaust. I beleive its simply described as exsessive noise. I have a magnaflow cat back and I cant imagine that could be excessive.

jer2k

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I found some stuff

Muffler

75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (1).

Unnecessary noise

(4) A person having the control or charge of a motor vehicle shall not sound any bell, horn or other signalling device so as to make an unreasonable noise, and a driver of any motor vehicle shall not permit any unreasonable amount of smoke to escape from the motor vehicle, nor shall the driver at any time cause the motor vehicle to make any unnecessary noise, but this subsection does not apply to a motor vehicle of a municipal fire department while proceeding to a fire or answering a fire alarm call. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (4).

I would argue that the magnaflow is in good working condition and is not making an unusal noise. Also point out that this brand of exhaust has a resonator.

As for making unnecessary noise you could say that causing your vehicle to accelerate is a normal activity of driving and is, in fact, quite necessary.

ViEtDraGoN

iTrader: (7)

thanx jer2k... i dont know if that'll stand up in court tho

KnightX_ae86

just bring it to court NEways.. stall time and if the cop doesnt show i'll get droped.. dun worry about it.. lol

jer2k

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What I don't get is how he got you on an improper muffler when you were slowing down to stop for the stop sign. I mean the muffler is only loud when you are accelerating. He must have just seen and and thought it was too loud.

R1Style

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Stop at through highway

136. (1) Every driver or street car operator approaching a stop sign at an intersection,

(a) shall stop his or her vehicle or street car at a marked stop line or, if none, then immediately before entering the nearest crosswalk or, if none, then immediately before entering the intersection; and

(b) shall yield the right of way to traffic in the intersection or approaching the intersection on another highway so closely that to proceed would constitute an immediate hazard and, having so yielded the right of way, may proceed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 136 (1).

Acquiring right of way

(2) Every driver or street car operator approaching, on another highway, an intersection referred to in subsection (1), shall yield the right of way to every driver or operator who has complied with the requirements of subsection (1). R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 136 (2).

Stop signs, erection at intersections

Transformer_Guy

iTrader: (10)

The improper muffler ticket you got had nothing to do with how loud your muffler is. Been through the same situation before and the officer said "if I can stick this stick into your muffler without it hitting a bend, then its improper" . He also told me that having my screen up is another ticket... . After that, he just decided to give me a ticket for "obstruct of plate".

jer2k

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But in his first post he was talking about the loudness so I assume that the cop was issueing the ticket because of loundess.

ViEtDraGoN

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ok well after i got stop for the stop sign. he stood outside my car and was staring at my muffler for a good 5min.

then he told me to step on the gas and give it a lil gas. so i was like damn, so i tapped the gas to about 2000 rpm, then after hes finished writing the tickets he was like "you fail to stop at a stop sign n' ur mufflers loud ands its not stock. there has been alot of street racers, and not to say that U are one but ur car looks like a racer"

jer2k

iTrader: (6)

that is total BS...figjht those tickets..he probably just gave you them because of what happened the other day when those kids killed the cabbie while street racing.

1llmatic

1st...the failure to stop can be reduced to a failure to obey an official sign.
if the cop shows for court u cannot contest anything if you were rolling and did not stop completely.

2nd...any fireball canister style muffler will get a ticket...your muffler is suppose to be chambered and not straight through. I think the canister style is considered Hollywood style in the HTA. If you tell them that you just replaced the muffler they will probably drop the charge or suspend the fine.

oh and with the screen...the key is to tell them that it is GPS and not a DVD player

AznSaint

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does it say anything else on the ticket about "improper muffler"??
does it sya too loud? or just improper muffler?

as for the failing to stop... stall the court date as much as possible and hope the officer doesnt show up...

till then, hope for the best.

ViEtDraGoN

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its just says improper muffler... thats all

ViEtDraGoN

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thanx for the advice everyone... man i was hoping there was a way i could get out of that rolling stop one.. but yea i gueess all i have goin for me now is hope... thanks everyone once again!

AggressiveAdam

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check your pm

sorry for the delayed reply.