TEAM ISSUES, What direction will we take?
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TEAM ISSUES, What direction will we take?
TO ALL GENSEVEN MEMBERS::::::
- It has recently been brought up that certain members do not feel that a team fee is necessary.
- It is thought that each "regional" chapter of genseven should be responsible for purchasing their own 'tent' and 'banner' so as to have it local and easily available for shows and events.
- Regarding stickers, I still do not have everyone's information for what they want and have not received any sort of payment information from anyone to pay for these stickers, so some of the Niagara members are going ahead and getting their own stickers made, however I am still left with the responsibility of getting stickers made for everyone else once I have all of the information
- THE PROBLEM: I have no idea what direction to go in right now, with myself being left as responsible for the majority of the team issues I as well as others decided a long time ago that a team fee would ensure dedication from members and presense at shows and events, and a nice opportunity to invest in team 'goods' or team 'wear' or whatever, food, clothes, show stuff, etc.
-WHAT I NEED: Advive from the MEMBERS letting me know WHAT YOU WANT, because after all this team is about what each member wants and how we want to proceed together...
Thank you for any input!
Miranda
- It has recently been brought up that certain members do not feel that a team fee is necessary.
- It is thought that each "regional" chapter of genseven should be responsible for purchasing their own 'tent' and 'banner' so as to have it local and easily available for shows and events.
- Regarding stickers, I still do not have everyone's information for what they want and have not received any sort of payment information from anyone to pay for these stickers, so some of the Niagara members are going ahead and getting their own stickers made, however I am still left with the responsibility of getting stickers made for everyone else once I have all of the information
- THE PROBLEM: I have no idea what direction to go in right now, with myself being left as responsible for the majority of the team issues I as well as others decided a long time ago that a team fee would ensure dedication from members and presense at shows and events, and a nice opportunity to invest in team 'goods' or team 'wear' or whatever, food, clothes, show stuff, etc.
-WHAT I NEED: Advive from the MEMBERS letting me know WHAT YOU WANT, because after all this team is about what each member wants and how we want to proceed together...
Thank you for any input!
Miranda
i don't think everyone wanted to pay $30 towards the fee of banners/tents and covering some of the costs of other members entrance fees to take part in events...what we had last year was fine we should have never messed with the formula...i think the team needs to be on informal basis where we are just a team that gets together for meets/events, but let the people that want to enter into comps. pay their own way.
What many people want I think is a social team the has meets and are proud to be part of a club that has meets a few times a summer, I don't think many of us want to be thrown into a competition circut..and are made to show 100 % support during the show season...
To make all my ramble easier to understand...what i think we need: Social Team, what is happening: competition team...
let those who goto shows represent us..which is what was happening last year...but the team focused too much this year on competition in my opinion..a few tents are good and i have no problem paying for those, but to pay for other members entrance fees is what i don't like
What many people want I think is a social team the has meets and are proud to be part of a club that has meets a few times a summer, I don't think many of us want to be thrown into a competition circut..and are made to show 100 % support during the show season...
To make all my ramble easier to understand...what i think we need: Social Team, what is happening: competition team...
let those who goto shows represent us..which is what was happening last year...but the team focused too much this year on competition in my opinion..a few tents are good and i have no problem paying for those, but to pay for other members entrance fees is what i don't like
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I was never big on the whole $30, but I do agree that people should all chip in on tents/food etc. I like what we had last season, but I like that we have more organization this year (Good job reps!) I do not mind at all helping out at shows to pay for stuff, but that $30 fee ... I dunno. Just my opinion. If we can figure out some other way of getting members, instead of having someone pay to be on the team, lets hear it! What about must make a madatory 3 meets a season. and at LEAST 1 show? Than when he/she has shown interest and made it to the above events, that they are in? As far as that $30, why can't we all pay for what we want, as we want it?
I was never big on the whole $30, but I do agree that people should all chip in on tents/food etc. I like what we had last season, but I like that we have more organization this year (Good job reps!) I do not mind at all helping out at shows to pay for stuff, but that $30 fee ... I dunno. Just my opinion. If we can figure out some other way of getting members, instead of having someone pay to be on the team, lets hear it! What about must make a madatory 3 meets a season. and at LEAST 1 show? Than when he/she has shown interest and made it to the above events, that they are in? As far as that $30, why can't we all pay for what we want, as we want it?
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I s'pose i'll be the first Niagara member to speak my mind...
Im def. not partial to this $30 fee. I understand the theory, but with ppl being so spread apart it's cause nothing but anger, as lots of ppl can't make it to all shows/meets etc, so they're paying $30 for some stickers and a tent/banner that they might never see/use and possibly entry fees for someone to enter a show?
I agree with everyone....last years method was really good...let's not try and fix something thats not broken. Niagara has discussed this and we are totally fine with buying our own tent,possibly banner, and paying for our own stickers.We've done a couple local shows this year, but we're not entering to win really, we just all get along and as crazy as it is...as a group of 6 (+the 2 H-town boys of course!) we're actually recognized at shows and cruise nights in the Falls.
So i say:
on the membership fees
a couple big meets a season
buying our own tents/banners/whatever
trying to make members more dedicated by pay $
Im def. not partial to this $30 fee. I understand the theory, but with ppl being so spread apart it's cause nothing but anger, as lots of ppl can't make it to all shows/meets etc, so they're paying $30 for some stickers and a tent/banner that they might never see/use and possibly entry fees for someone to enter a show?
I agree with everyone....last years method was really good...let's not try and fix something thats not broken. Niagara has discussed this and we are totally fine with buying our own tent,possibly banner, and paying for our own stickers.We've done a couple local shows this year, but we're not entering to win really, we just all get along and as crazy as it is...as a group of 6 (+the 2 H-town boys of course!) we're actually recognized at shows and cruise nights in the Falls.
So i say:
on the membership fees a couple big meets a season buying our own tents/banners/whatever trying to make members more dedicated by pay $ 
Let me copy and paste what I typed in Niagara Ghetto Discussion cause I dont want to type it again
"What we are trying to do is better structure what we have. Since the regions are so far apart it makes more sence to run the team as a decentralized heirarchy rather than a centralized one (I know my BBA peeps know what I'm talking about). Each region can buy their own necessities required to attend local shows and represent Gen7. This is better than central fund that would have to allocate $$ to each region, 'cause you know that would cause problems with fairness.
As for the fee, it would essentially be the purchase of goods (tent, banner, cooler, food, car duster). Paying for these things as a region would more efficient than paying a fee to a central location and then having to request funds back for the goods. Also doing it this way allows each region to establish thier level of dedication. If any particular region doens't want a tent or whatever and another region wants a fricken motor home then its all good."
"What we are trying to do is better structure what we have. Since the regions are so far apart it makes more sence to run the team as a decentralized heirarchy rather than a centralized one (I know my BBA peeps know what I'm talking about). Each region can buy their own necessities required to attend local shows and represent Gen7. This is better than central fund that would have to allocate $$ to each region, 'cause you know that would cause problems with fairness.
As for the fee, it would essentially be the purchase of goods (tent, banner, cooler, food, car duster). Paying for these things as a region would more efficient than paying a fee to a central location and then having to request funds back for the goods. Also doing it this way allows each region to establish thier level of dedication. If any particular region doens't want a tent or whatever and another region wants a fricken motor home then its all good."
i tend to agree...paying $30 for something i might not even be taking advantage of doesnt seem exactly fair. why does the team need to be taken seriously anyways? why cant we be a group of folks who get together, chill once in a while...and those of us who want to compete will do so at our/their own discression and pay the appropriate fees when they come up?
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Rep Power: 306 I am not a member of you team, but I was fortunate to have been in a number of very successful car/truck clubs in my past life.
Some thoughts on what went down in those:
1. The purpose of the clubs is mostly for a social function. With that being said, we did meet on a regular basis. Usually it was for a cookout, pizza meet, or something of entertainment value. There was usually one meeting each month to discuss club details, such as new members, group items, and passing out of information.
2. All successful clubs have either an annual due or a monthly dues. The purpose of this money is to buy items that are agreed upon by a majority vote. Such items could include things that would benefit everyone, such as a club banner, awning, or generator. All club owned items also had stipulations on how the items would be disposed of in case of the club folding. Most had a buyout clause where an item could be bought or raffled off. The remaining money was to be divided among club members who met a criteria that was also decided before hand.
3. Dues were never to be used for personal reasons, that includes paying for a member to enter a show or compete. In reality, the choice of an individual to go to a show or compete is his/her own. And it should be thier own responsibility. Everyone should pay thier own way. In the event of a hardship, members usually chiped in among those that wanted to donate, but club money was never to be used for this. You must realize that any hobby is a pay to play deal.
4. Some sort of dues are required to take any membership to the next level. The banner is nice to have, but it takes money. An awning is great, but again, these things take money. And a small dues implies dedication. But really, are you talking about an annual dues of $30.00 dollars? I have paid much more, but then again, I knew the group I was joining.
5. You should never let money get in the way of friendship, but some people are cheap. And they want to enjoy things that others paid for, that is wrong. I mean we are not talking about the type of money to join the Playboy Club, but a small and reasonable amount to get things done.
6. Also it appears that you are having a had time deciding among chapters or one bid team. It usually works best to have the whole founding members to write the bylaws for each chapter, then let each chapter follow the bylaws but allocate their own funds/treasury for that chapters items.
Some thoughts on what went down in those:
1. The purpose of the clubs is mostly for a social function. With that being said, we did meet on a regular basis. Usually it was for a cookout, pizza meet, or something of entertainment value. There was usually one meeting each month to discuss club details, such as new members, group items, and passing out of information.
2. All successful clubs have either an annual due or a monthly dues. The purpose of this money is to buy items that are agreed upon by a majority vote. Such items could include things that would benefit everyone, such as a club banner, awning, or generator. All club owned items also had stipulations on how the items would be disposed of in case of the club folding. Most had a buyout clause where an item could be bought or raffled off. The remaining money was to be divided among club members who met a criteria that was also decided before hand.
3. Dues were never to be used for personal reasons, that includes paying for a member to enter a show or compete. In reality, the choice of an individual to go to a show or compete is his/her own. And it should be thier own responsibility. Everyone should pay thier own way. In the event of a hardship, members usually chiped in among those that wanted to donate, but club money was never to be used for this. You must realize that any hobby is a pay to play deal.
4. Some sort of dues are required to take any membership to the next level. The banner is nice to have, but it takes money. An awning is great, but again, these things take money. And a small dues implies dedication. But really, are you talking about an annual dues of $30.00 dollars? I have paid much more, but then again, I knew the group I was joining.
5. You should never let money get in the way of friendship, but some people are cheap. And they want to enjoy things that others paid for, that is wrong. I mean we are not talking about the type of money to join the Playboy Club, but a small and reasonable amount to get things done.
6. Also it appears that you are having a had time deciding among chapters or one bid team. It usually works best to have the whole founding members to write the bylaws for each chapter, then let each chapter follow the bylaws but allocate their own funds/treasury for that chapters items.
i definately think it should be more of a social thing...its definately more enjoyable that way... and i also do not want to pay for other people.. each region should do its own thing and jus leave it at that.... but when there is a meet once or twice a season which involves all the members.. then some sort of fundraising can be set up.
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Originally Posted by rickinthescv
I am not a member of you team, but I was fortunate to have been in a number of very successful car/truck clubs in my past life.
Some thoughts on what went down in those:
1. The purpose of the clubs is mostly for a social function. With that being said, we did meet on a regular basis. Usually it was for a cookout, pizza meet, or something of entertainment value. There was usually one meeting each month to discuss club details, such as new members, group items, and passing out of information.
2. All successful clubs have either an annual due or a monthly dues. The purpose of this money is to buy items that are agreed upon by a majority vote. Such items could include things that would benefit everyone, such as a club banner, awning, or generator. All club owned items also had stipulations on how the items would be disposed of in case of the club folding. Most had a buyout clause where an item could be bought or raffled off. The remaining money was to be divided among club members who met a criteria that was also decided before hand.
3. Dues were never to be used for personal reasons, that includes paying for a member to enter a show or compete. In reality, the choice of an individual to go to a show or compete is his/her own. And it should be thier own responsibility. Everyone should pay thier own way. In the event of a hardship, members usually chiped in among those that wanted to donate, but club money was never to be used for this. You must realize that any hobby is a pay to play deal.
4. Some sort of dues are required to take any membership to the next level. The banner is nice to have, but it takes money. An awning is great, but again, these things take money. And a small dues implies dedication. But really, are you talking about an annual dues of $30.00 dollars? I have paid much more, but then again, I knew the group I was joining.
5. You should never let money get in the way of friendship, but some people are cheap. And they want to enjoy things that others paid for, that is wrong. I mean we are not talking about the type of money to join the Playboy Club, but a small and reasonable amount to get things done.
6. Also it appears that you are having a had time deciding among chapters or one bid team. It usually works best to have the whole founding members to write the bylaws for each chapter, then let each chapter follow the bylaws but allocate their own funds/treasury for that chapters items.
Some thoughts on what went down in those:
1. The purpose of the clubs is mostly for a social function. With that being said, we did meet on a regular basis. Usually it was for a cookout, pizza meet, or something of entertainment value. There was usually one meeting each month to discuss club details, such as new members, group items, and passing out of information.
2. All successful clubs have either an annual due or a monthly dues. The purpose of this money is to buy items that are agreed upon by a majority vote. Such items could include things that would benefit everyone, such as a club banner, awning, or generator. All club owned items also had stipulations on how the items would be disposed of in case of the club folding. Most had a buyout clause where an item could be bought or raffled off. The remaining money was to be divided among club members who met a criteria that was also decided before hand.
3. Dues were never to be used for personal reasons, that includes paying for a member to enter a show or compete. In reality, the choice of an individual to go to a show or compete is his/her own. And it should be thier own responsibility. Everyone should pay thier own way. In the event of a hardship, members usually chiped in among those that wanted to donate, but club money was never to be used for this. You must realize that any hobby is a pay to play deal.
4. Some sort of dues are required to take any membership to the next level. The banner is nice to have, but it takes money. An awning is great, but again, these things take money. And a small dues implies dedication. But really, are you talking about an annual dues of $30.00 dollars? I have paid much more, but then again, I knew the group I was joining.
5. You should never let money get in the way of friendship, but some people are cheap. And they want to enjoy things that others paid for, that is wrong. I mean we are not talking about the type of money to join the Playboy Club, but a small and reasonable amount to get things done.
6. Also it appears that you are having a had time deciding among chapters or one bid team. It usually works best to have the whole founding members to write the bylaws for each chapter, then let each chapter follow the bylaws but allocate their own funds/treasury for that chapters items.
These are excellent guidelines and on which i totally agree with.
I think that it becomes a misconception that with the $30 annual fee is that the team members will not be able to make use, or recieve anything for the monies that they paid.
For instance, the team stickers, they cost money to be cut as well as tents and banners and such. I agree that whoever decides to enter carshows should take the cost of entering on their own. Another suggestion that I have is that there be an informal group of "show" cars that are committed or are more able to enter car shows and decide on what they want to do with fees.
As for the team being more of a social gathering, I could not have said it any better myself. Getting together with you guys/gals and meeting new people and just hanging out is what this is all about. Its not about who has more mods or who has more trophies, its about supporting each other.
I know this has been a long-*** post and i apologize, but here is the last thing im going to say. We joined this team to be a part of it, not just to join because only certain aspects of it appeal to us.
If the bottom line of all this is the money, I am saddened by this. By no means am I a rich person so dont think I am, but if we can afford mods that cost several hundred dollars, i think we can all pay $30 for what i'm sure each member will benefit from since the money is gonna be for their share of stickers and tents/banners
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Rep Power: 368 I really can't complain over 30 bucks. I mean come on, that's a tiny fraction of the cost of your car, it's not even a tank of gas nowadays. Hell if I didn't spend it on my car or car-related activities, it'd go towards a new pair of shoes or a half-quarter of weed anyway.
I agree that when it comes to shows, money shouldn't come out of reg fees. IMO registration fees are more for website maintenance (not really so for Gen7), tent/banner at shows, and helping towards some essential supplies at get-togethers, like meat for BBQ's or nacho chips for poker night or something. It's to benefit those who come out. If you want your money's worth, the reg fees collected should provide something tangible to all members who paid it, not just the few who represent at the shows and whatnot. I'll gladly pay my $30 towards keeping the team running smoothly, but if I miss a BBQ and my money went in someone else's tummy, I really wouldn't complain, cause I knew beforehand that if I'd paid $30 for team stuff, I'd better damn well show up so I can get some of the burger that bought, ya know? When it comes to a banner and tent, someone mentioned having each region's members be responsible for their own. I have to disagree there, for the reason that if we are a TEAM then we will all be going to the same show thus we will all be using the same banner and tent. To start setting up chapters of Gen7 is uncalled for IMHO because we're all really within 3 hours' drive of each other. There are clubs in the US that encompass whole states and sometimes cross state lines. If those guys can hold it down as a unit then I don't see why Gen7 can't do the same. So if you're a Gen7 member and you paid 30 bones you should expect some of your loot to go towards that tent. And if you wanna reap the benefits, just come out to a show, I guarantee you'll have a good time till the cops pull you over on the way home (DKN anyone, LOL). In that same vein I think banners/stickers should come out of the reg fee as well. If you're not gonna rep, then know that your moola went to help someone rep your team. And if you don't think you're gonna be reppin Gen7 to the fullest, then by all means come to the meets, show up at the shows to say hi, bring a salad or burgers to the BBQ as well. But don't pay $30 cause it's unfair to YOU if you know you won't be able to make shows and as such not reap any of the benefits you paid for. But don't expect a Gen7 sticker or windshield banner, ya know?
Back to the price - $30 is so super super cheap for a team! I just finished my registration form for a fairly high-profile (as car clubs and teams go) team that asks $50 a year! But even there I see benefits, and I know where the other $20 is going. And there is an idea, isn't there? Just like many companies, investors in Gen7 (OK it's not an investment, but you paid to keep it alive, no?) are fully entitled to know exactly how much of their moola went where. And in that case the "books" should be available for full disclosure to any paying member who requests a look.
Gen7 is not about winning trophies and having more mods. That's more of an individual member kind of thing (I can think of a few who are obsessed with this right now, myself included). We as a team are supposed to be able to support each other and provide advice, information, and the occasional "Hey guys, I just went to this shop and they've got this part for our cars ON SALE!". I think it's sad that of all the guys who signed their names on the roster, I can count on one hand the number of members I would feel comfortable going for a beer with, one on one. THAT is what we need to work on - getting together and being friendly and comfortable with each other. The more we post to each other online, the less we are really getting to know each other as people, and the more we are seeing each other as our online personas. I mean, Shifty doesn't even call me by my real name, LOL. To be more specific, TeLLy is a real showoff with an inflated ego online, but in person, I'm a showoff with an inflated ego, AND I'm loud and obnoxious. You wouldn't understand the sheer magnitude of my retardedness until you really got to know me! We have to take the time to get to know each other in the flesh (not like that, you filthy animals....well, except perhaps for Alppy, he's dreamy). I mean, how are we going to pass two straight days at DKN if we're not buddy-buddy? If I can't be comfortable leaving my car keys with you for the day so I can go chase import model tail across the show floor, then we aren't teammates. Let's focus on that before we start questioning each other about where our money is going. When we trust each other as friends, we can be a better team knowing no one will walk away with our hard-embezzled (or earned if you're legit) dollars n cents.
I'm rambling cause it's 615 in the am. But there's my disjointed and utterly incomprehensible opinion, which I will likely edit to make sense in a few hours.
I agree that when it comes to shows, money shouldn't come out of reg fees. IMO registration fees are more for website maintenance (not really so for Gen7), tent/banner at shows, and helping towards some essential supplies at get-togethers, like meat for BBQ's or nacho chips for poker night or something. It's to benefit those who come out. If you want your money's worth, the reg fees collected should provide something tangible to all members who paid it, not just the few who represent at the shows and whatnot. I'll gladly pay my $30 towards keeping the team running smoothly, but if I miss a BBQ and my money went in someone else's tummy, I really wouldn't complain, cause I knew beforehand that if I'd paid $30 for team stuff, I'd better damn well show up so I can get some of the burger that bought, ya know? When it comes to a banner and tent, someone mentioned having each region's members be responsible for their own. I have to disagree there, for the reason that if we are a TEAM then we will all be going to the same show thus we will all be using the same banner and tent. To start setting up chapters of Gen7 is uncalled for IMHO because we're all really within 3 hours' drive of each other. There are clubs in the US that encompass whole states and sometimes cross state lines. If those guys can hold it down as a unit then I don't see why Gen7 can't do the same. So if you're a Gen7 member and you paid 30 bones you should expect some of your loot to go towards that tent. And if you wanna reap the benefits, just come out to a show, I guarantee you'll have a good time till the cops pull you over on the way home (DKN anyone, LOL). In that same vein I think banners/stickers should come out of the reg fee as well. If you're not gonna rep, then know that your moola went to help someone rep your team. And if you don't think you're gonna be reppin Gen7 to the fullest, then by all means come to the meets, show up at the shows to say hi, bring a salad or burgers to the BBQ as well. But don't pay $30 cause it's unfair to YOU if you know you won't be able to make shows and as such not reap any of the benefits you paid for. But don't expect a Gen7 sticker or windshield banner, ya know?
Back to the price - $30 is so super super cheap for a team! I just finished my registration form for a fairly high-profile (as car clubs and teams go) team that asks $50 a year! But even there I see benefits, and I know where the other $20 is going. And there is an idea, isn't there? Just like many companies, investors in Gen7 (OK it's not an investment, but you paid to keep it alive, no?) are fully entitled to know exactly how much of their moola went where. And in that case the "books" should be available for full disclosure to any paying member who requests a look.
Gen7 is not about winning trophies and having more mods. That's more of an individual member kind of thing (I can think of a few who are obsessed with this right now, myself included). We as a team are supposed to be able to support each other and provide advice, information, and the occasional "Hey guys, I just went to this shop and they've got this part for our cars ON SALE!". I think it's sad that of all the guys who signed their names on the roster, I can count on one hand the number of members I would feel comfortable going for a beer with, one on one. THAT is what we need to work on - getting together and being friendly and comfortable with each other. The more we post to each other online, the less we are really getting to know each other as people, and the more we are seeing each other as our online personas. I mean, Shifty doesn't even call me by my real name, LOL. To be more specific, TeLLy is a real showoff with an inflated ego online, but in person, I'm a showoff with an inflated ego, AND I'm loud and obnoxious. You wouldn't understand the sheer magnitude of my retardedness until you really got to know me! We have to take the time to get to know each other in the flesh (not like that, you filthy animals....well, except perhaps for Alppy, he's dreamy). I mean, how are we going to pass two straight days at DKN if we're not buddy-buddy? If I can't be comfortable leaving my car keys with you for the day so I can go chase import model tail across the show floor, then we aren't teammates. Let's focus on that before we start questioning each other about where our money is going. When we trust each other as friends, we can be a better team knowing no one will walk away with our hard-embezzled (or earned if you're legit) dollars n cents.
I'm rambling cause it's 615 in the am. But there's my disjointed and utterly incomprehensible opinion, which I will likely edit to make sense in a few hours.
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Rep Power: 0 I agree, i'm not member but heres some thoughts from an outsider. if people dont respect/believe in the team, ITS NOT GONNA WORK, especially if its percieved as a joke or as some amatuer social club/team. From an outsider looking in, I think GEN7 should ONLY have highly modified cars at shows, especially the bigger ones...and keep the numbers down to about 4-6 cars, the more you have the more it dilutes your teams impact, have votes and pick the best of the best to REP your team...honestly I dont even look at stock looking cars at shows, why would I? especially civics and all those teams with a million versions of the same car, that just gets boring, keep it tight, keep it simple and keep em top notch, dont dilute your impact with 20 cars and half of em are stock, lose the fat and keep it lean and mean, once your club starts to earn respect, only then will you gain the respect of others that want in, and $30 wont even be an issue, it'll be a privllage...BUT this only pretains to shows and is only MHO...at meets, of coarse, everyone REPS and meets and kisses and hugs...yada yada get stoned get drunk whatever...anyways good luck to you guys/gals, REP HARD!!!! hope you guys sort this out. cya at DKN
fair enough, but i mean everyone in niagara for example, doesnt have fully done up rides. And they should be able to enter their cars in ne car show they want, regardless. I myself am not a big fan at lookin stock cars at car shows, but u have to consider everyone. We go to car shows and have a goood time. I think saying "ur cars stock, ur not allowed to come with us" is stupid..
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Originally Posted by matt_s
fair enough, but i mean everyone in niagara for example, doesnt have fully done up rides. And they should be able to enter their cars in ne car show they want, regardless. I myself am not a big fan at lookin stock cars at car shows, but u have to consider everyone. We go to car shows and have a goood time. I think saying "ur cars stock, ur not allowed to come with us" is stupid..
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Originally Posted by MIR
i think TRICKY is jus referring to like the bigger shows like DKN
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Rep Power: 368 Remember though, it's not just participation, it's leadership. We don't have a single person responsible for us in the GTA now, since Liro has his gf here, Alppy's super bizzy, and I'm not qualified to lead water down a drainpipe. With a leader who really knows how to motivate, paticipation will go up because he/she really inspires others to pick up and help out. MIR has been superhuman in her efforts, but let's face it Niagara is too remote a region for the GTA kids to be taken under her wing. The London kiddies have and likely will continue to be self-sufficient and gung-ho. Ottawa is pretty much the same, time constraints for these latter two regions make meets with GTA (our largest yet weakest 'chapter') a rare thing.
I don't want to complain or knock the team, I love all you guys, but the lack of leadership for Gen7 in Ontario pretty much means that if someone doesn't step up and take the reins this season, Gen7 is going to move either west or north. It's pretty deplorable that even though we have cars just as done up, just as nice as our 905/613/519 brethren, there are none of us coming from the 416, again, our largest geographic demarcation. DKN's last-minute preparations kinda irked me - can't blame anyone, and I don't, but because we just don't have the support and initiative out here in the GTA, I don't think I can be part of a team that is really just kind of floundering like this.
I don't want to complain or knock the team, I love all you guys, but the lack of leadership for Gen7 in Ontario pretty much means that if someone doesn't step up and take the reins this season, Gen7 is going to move either west or north. It's pretty deplorable that even though we have cars just as done up, just as nice as our 905/613/519 brethren, there are none of us coming from the 416, again, our largest geographic demarcation. DKN's last-minute preparations kinda irked me - can't blame anyone, and I don't, but because we just don't have the support and initiative out here in the GTA, I don't think I can be part of a team that is really just kind of floundering like this.
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Rep Power: 0 I apologize for abandoning the team so suddenly...well kinda suddenly...but things have just been so hectic for me with the new job, my gf living with me and all the furiniture buying and such and still so many things in my life to organize right now i can't come back to genseven. im sorry all, but i do hope that someone will step up...im more than happy to help in the background but my time is split between so many things right now being a rep would pretty much be impossible for me.
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Originally Posted by Liro
I apologize for abandoning the team so suddenly...well kinda suddenly...but things have just been so hectic for me with the new job, my gf living with me and all the furiniture buying and such and still so many things in my life to organize right now i can't come back to genseven. im sorry all, but i do hope that someone will step up...im more than happy to help in the background but my time is split between so many things right now being a rep would pretty much be impossible for me.
But we as each of our regions will keep it alive to some extent!All of the niagara members are getting honda polo shirts compliments of hamburg honda wooo
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Rep Power: 0 Gen seven doesnt have to die guys.... infact i dont think it ever will. The regions are goin strong. Niagara had evolved this season HUGE, and is bigger then ever. I saw first hand the commitment of the Ottawa crew at DKN7. 5 cars cruised up all the way from Ottawa, and met up with 4 niagara cars. Togehter we had quite a turnout at the show. Check this out at the Hotel at DKN7
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