biff

Hay all;

Row call for K20 swaps... has anyone done this? I am on the virge of gettin it done but figured we could start this thread and post info on it. Problems? unexpected things.

Lets hope we can get some info on here about parts needed, things that need to be changed... etc

Heres some info that i have gathered:

Parts Needed
- K20A2 or K20A3 (from Civic Si) Engine With:
- AC compressor
- alternator
- P/S pump or idler pulley (from Civic Si)
- wiring harness
- exhaust manifold and catalytic converter

- ECU
- Transmission and starter
- intermediate shaft
- Axles from either 02 Civic Si or 94 up Integra GSR (we used 02 RSX with RSX knuckles and hubs)
- RSX or 02 Civic Si subframe
- Hasport ESK1 bolt in mount kit (as of this time the kit will not work with the K24)
- Hasport ESKWH conversion wiring harness
- RSX shifter assembly and cables
- 02 Civic Si radiator and fans (although the RSX will fit with some trimming around the radiator cap opening in the grill)
- 02 Civic Si upper and lower radiator hoses (RSX are longer and may kink)
- RSX throttle cable
- RSX fuel line, brake booster line and purge line
- RSX AC line from compressor to condensor
- RSX clutch lines from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder
- Custom AC line from compressor to evaporator (Hasport should have one available by April)
- 90 Accord negative battery cable
- If you want powersteering:
- RSX high pressure powersteering hose and return line
- 92 Civic P/S resevoir w/ bracket and a section of hydraulic hose to go from the pump to the resevoir


The immobilizer:
Last, for driving the car over to Honda to get the RSX ECU flashed to accept the Civics key code, you should be able to drive on the Civic ECU for a short distance. Make sure you bring the VIN information with you from the RSX. People with a non-US engine may have to find another option.


Other things:
With our Civic we opted to use the RSX knuckles, hubs and brake assemblies, so we also used the RSX axles. The RSX axles can be use with the smaller Civic hubs if you change the outer joints to those of the GSR or Civic Si. Our Civic was an auto, so some wiring then had to be done to hook up the park/nuetral safety switch to the clutch pedal switch. Hey I hope this sheds some light on what is involved in the swap. We will have more pictures on our web site as we further modify the car. Also look in the near future for the first K24 swap as we build a big block for our Civic and soon we will be doing a K24A Accord engine and tranny swap into a 01 Civic.
1) The Civic's engine bay has the same dimensions as the Civic Si, not the RSX. For that reason the RSX base model engine's intake manifold will not clear the core support.
2) The Civic Si radiator is a better fit than the RSX radiator, due to the location of the filler cap. The stock radiator's hose necks are in awkward positions and do not work well.
3) You will need the RSX or Civic Si subframe.
4) The 01-02 Civic engine harness contains the wiring for the primary O2 sensor, but not the RSX or Civic Si engine harness. This is a necessary part for code free operation so it has to be added. In the RSX or Si it is called the AFR (air fuel ratio) sensor, There is also a relay that goes along with it. The 01-02 Civic HX uses the same part. Use the HX wiring diagram for proper hookup. This part is for you Htown, it will fix your check engine light.
5) If you want powersteering, you will need to cut away some of the hood's underside support for pulley clearance. Use the RSX P/S hose, and return line.


and finally the install:

http://www.hasport.com/Tech/Installs/ESK1.htm


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This is all dandy but can anyone that has done this swap vouch for what problems they ran into, parts they needed beyond the above, extra monies they had to spend, custom modifications needed...

I hope this post can be a repository as the info appears to be scattered all over the place..

peace


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Touge_Motors

Who is doing your swap for you?

biff

I have a friend with a shop in Burlington that is going to do it for me. A couple other shops in TO were over priced. I am not going to do it until i have done all the research and talked to some people who have experienced it. I posted about K20's before and had this reply from a dood:

Alright, here's the deal...I have the k20a swap in my 02 civic and believe me, it was more work and money then i had ever expected. There are many problems you will probably run into, as i did. I've spent around 11g's to do mine. And 2 months in the shop.


I never got a chance to talk to him, but hopefully this post can drum up some people who have actually done it.

1llmatic

- Hasport ESKWH conversion wiring harness

hasport doesn't have a wiring harness.
you need to send your civic harness and the rsx harness to them and they convert the harness for you. $350 usd


how much did shops quote you?

it requires alot of work and parts alone will run you alot of money.

HASPORT mount kit and k20a motor is minimum $7500 CAD
HASPORT wiring conversion $500 CAD

its alot for parts...labour is the least of ur worries.

iamfob

iTrader: (4)

jdm_bb: u gotta read this thread if u are still planning to do it. seems like there's more problems than i expected so think twice to make sure u want to get it done or not.

GuSTo

iTrader: (10)

told you guys it wasn't easy!!
finding parts was the hardest part.

I'm just getting the AC and power steering done now.

But having a 200hp civic is nice

1llmatic

indeed

zen_master

iTrader: (6)

damn, we should just simply get that K20 Civic from Thailand or somewhere like that..

iamfob

iTrader: (4)

yeah it's alway nice to have an engine swap to any car but i honestly dont want to go thru the hassle and paying arms and legs for the transplant.

therefore i kept my civic stock and left it for my sister and share with the family and get myself a car that has the faster engine in it already.


hope the ppl getting the swap done can pay as little as possible and get it done ASAP

cvc2f2f

iTrader: (1)

i blew the tranny on my civic and i have 38,000+ miles so i got the jdm engine and 6spd tranny with LSD for $5300 with jdm computer and jdm 4 disc rotors. i put $18k into my civic so far. but thats including all the aftermarket sh$% like intake headers exhaust sparco seats labor fuel rails mugen comp from japan valve springs.... new radiator... b.s. parts from honda and acura.... flywheel clutch... o yeh and convert from auto to 6 spd... pretty sick..... lol.... will take pics of it tomorrow night 060404... email me at allhondaparts@aol.com if u wanna see it... its gonna be mental......

Ken

jdm_bb

iTrader: (8)

ya i would like to see some picture....

Crackhead79

iTrader: (1)

good info, but I know I will never have the $$ to do this swap, lucky bAsTaRd$...

biff

So i inquired at JRP in Mississauga yesterday and they said about 9 grand for the JDM 240 HP K20 engine. They have done quite a few K20 swaps and said they have most if not all the bugs worked out of the swap. I think these guys would be a good candidate to get this done at. Still kinda expensive though...

jdm_bb

iTrader: (8)

Do you have their contact number?

BIG

iTrader: (31)

FYI: K20A is 220 HP

biff

Type R i believe JDM is 240 i believe dood..

JRP's contact.. www.jrponline.com

their contact number is on there also...

jdm_bb

iTrader: (8)

type r is 225

dubz01si

i want to do this swap myself but it looks complicated i dont have power tools ect. i could problay get it done for 1500 the swap 2000 if i supply get the engine

BIG

iTrader: (31)

why not just wait till '06 when they actually COME WITH a K20??

cvc2f2f

iTrader: (1)

why wait 2 years for performance when u could smoke the type s's and the si's now..... its all about how long u wanna wait and how fast u wanna go.... also what you can get away with......................

cvc2f2f

iTrader: (1)

i heard a bunch of diff hp #'s i originally heard 220, but the place i bought it from said 225 and now 240, but i though 240 was for the v6 3.0 accord engine and 250-260 for the tl type s 3.2 v6.....

biff

i could be mistaken.. i was under the impression it was this way:

US Type-S: 200
JDM Type-S: 220
JDM Type-R: 240

I have heard this from a couple of shops

NoSpleeny

iTrader: (3)

why don't you guys save that $10 - $15 thousand you spend on the swap and the $20 to $25 thousand it costed for your car and just pool that money (totaling $30 to $40 thousand) and just buy a nice Acura TL with 270 HP already and a ride that'll be more luxurious than your Civic can EVER be...?

I drive a Civic too.. and if I had a second chance.. TL or IS300.. here I come.

biff

sounds good.. lets try and keep this k20 swap related. The whole reason why i started this post is to get a pool of resources on this swap, prices, problems.. and things in general that can help those that will be doing it.

Touge_Motors

Forget what you have heard... K20A (Rsx type R) has 220hp...

BIG

iTrader: (31)

^^thank you sir, I knew it, LOL

jackal903

iTrader: (3)

try think it this way, when you driving a TL or IS300. people knew how fast you can go. well if you driving a civic with K20a2 swaped. and some people wants to smoke you because you are driving civic. but you can totally smoke back to them ......that kind of feeling is really good. those stupid *** will shock as hell. i think most sleeper enjoy these feeling....

1llmatic

jdm k20a integra type r 220hp
jdm k20a civic type r 200 hp

there is no jdm type s.

ViNRoCk8

iTrader: (2)

Its about having something that a very limited number of people have, different strokes for different folks.

1llmatic

k20 civic would own a TL and an IS.

it all depends what you want your car for...