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did you guys think his apology was an act or was it genuine?

I personally thought it was just an act to get himself back on the ice faster...

 
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that is just ignorance sir, just plain ignorance.

are you not capable of readin human emotions? he was OBVIOUSLY sorry for his actions, I dont think anyone, well except for some crazy luniatic, could do something like that and not feel remorse... i dont mean to cut you down, but i read a statement today that i agree with in that the media is tryin to turn todd into a villian. YES he did something awful... but you can see in his apology that he was sincere and felt soo bad about what he had done... personally i think he got a pretty good punishment and it is likely that his career might be over but I doubt that it was a fake apology very much. thats my 2 cents.

on a side note: my prayers are with mr. moore for a speedy recovery!

 
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Before you think I am biased, believe me I an not.

I do believe that Bertuzzi's hit was inappropriate, but to say his apology was an act is just plain ignorant. Bertuzzi is very impassive and composed when he plays or when he scores. It is totally out of character for him to be driven to tears like that. Look at him, he had trouble speaking with the media. Bertuzzi is known for his feelings against the media, yet has no trouble speaking his mind during post game interviews, yet struggled tremendously during this conference.

I sincerely hope that Bertuzzi and Moore both recover from this incident.

 
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he knows he's out for at least the rest of the season... there is no reason, whatsoever for him to fake his apology. he felt sorry about it... and i think he really is sorry about it.
he prolly just wanted to hurt him... but not in his intention... to end his career

his actions on the ice is at the stir of the moment...(he challenge Moore but he backed off.. and for some reason.. at that moment, Todd decided to take a swing at him)..... i'd prolly would of done the same thing if a guy hurt my friend.. (talking aside from hockey... in general)

but b/c this is the NHL, with media coverage... he will be flamed left and right.....
if this happened on the streets... to one of your friends... you wouldnt hesitate to retaliate to the person who had done itt to your friend.

Nowadays, professional athletes dont go out everyday on the intention of ending ones career.

just my .02


:: i hope he gets chosen to play at the world cup.

 
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What? There's no reason to fake an apology? How would it look if he didn't appoligize?

I think his appology was bs, and he was trying to redeem himself. I totally agree with VtechChronicle. He doesn't want the media to blow this thing up more than it already is. He already looks bad, of course he's going to appoligize.

It's like when your a kid. You do something bad and your parents catch you doing something you were not supposed to. Do you appoligize in that situation? The obvious answer is "yes". If you say no that question, you are full of s hit. The question you have to ask your self after you appoligize. Are you really sorry? or do you appoligize cause you know your parents will be more simpathetic cause you appoligized.

Its like cheating on your GF? Are you really sorry, or do u say it to get her back.

You guys know the obvious answer.

later...

 
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I dont know **** all about hockey axcept that the Leafs RULE....

but i think this Todd Bertuzzi guy should never play hockey again!!!!

call me ignorant call me an ***... I know HOCKEY is an intence sport but this went to far... 1st he punched a guy from the back (classic pu$$y) then shoves the guys face in the ice.... this was pre-meditated any way you look at it, he knew what he was doin' and neamt harm...

now say your FATHER, BROTHER, SISTER, UNCLE, TWIN whatever... plays hockey... i wouldn't want this a$$hole on the same ice!!!!

 
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^^ I agree with vic on this one. There are a few NHL'ers I wouldn't mind seeing getting kicked out of the league. A fight is one thing, but when you get some idiot pulling that shiat... theres no excuses.

This guy PLAINLY blindsided Moore in the temple, knocked him out even before he hit the ice, then landed on his head/neck (all 220+ pounds of him) ... but realize that other Avalanche players also jumped on those 2 adding more wieght on top of Moores neck, so I don't know if it's right to put the fractured neck all on Bertuzzi's shoulders, maybe it is, who knows. Moore wasn't even able to realize whet the hell was going on.

Bottom line is that the NHL should grow some *****, and send those guys to early retireDOMIment. This way people will think twice about either laying their elbow into someones head while they are not looking, or sucker punching another player for whatever the reason.

my .02

 
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i do see your point.
But when you're at a point where todd is.... where there was a possibility of a person's career ending...because of him.... you dont think you would be sorry for what had occured if you were in his shoes?

this situation is totally different in your example of cheating on your gf or ending a person's career.

it's like Heatley's situation... when Synder died. SURE... Todd's situation is not to that full extent... but they are both sorry in their own ways... in their own situation.

I used to play competitive sports.... and i could see it in a different point of view.
one thing is to get caught up in the competitiveness of a game and wanting to retaliate or wanting to end someone's career or causing life threatening injuries.

GUYS dont realize what they do till after it has occur.. especially if it's something they did was wrong.

 
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vic: if you dont know nothing about hockey... dont be bad mouthing about Todd just because he suckered punched a guy

yes, he may of blinded sided a guy from the back... yes, he may have shove the guys face into the ice...... and im sure he knew what he was doing.... but not thinking twice before he did so.

you're telling me every guy in this world has not done something without thinking twice. s h i t, i do it all the time....


Who remembers Tie Domi's cheap shot a few years back in the playoffs... when they were playing the New Jersey Devils.
i think it was Scott Niedermayer (sp?) that he elbowed... close to the end of the game. that was sooooooo uncalled for. and yet... Domi is still considered a class act. but he's a total f u c k i ng loser imo. not b/c of that incident.... but b/c i think he's a wussy, and he's a total loser if the camera is not in front of his face and that he doesnt deserve is 2million dollars a year contract for what he does on the ice.

this **** happens all the time...... ppl move on. ppl are sorry. some may not mean it... and i agree with that.

but i still believe todd is truly sorry. if you're not sorry for almost ending a person's career.... then give me a true meaning of when the word "sorry" should really be used.

 
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Oh i didnt say he wasnt sorry... but the dude has some fu**in' serious PROBLEMS!!!

its not even the 1st time this **** happend....

and i do know enough about hockey respond to this....

and if this goes to the court of law... there's nothing this dude can plead... if he pleads Temp Insanity ... he doesnt deserve to play on the ICE and put other MILLION dollar players careers at risk!!!! and if he leads guilty.....GUILTY

well dood deserves to be pulled out of the league

AznSaint whos ur fave player???

now imagine him in this Moores role... how mad would you be?????

I think he got lucky he can come back next season... guy should never play again!!!!!!

sorry AznSaint...only my opinion

 
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viclx, I totally agree with you man. I don't think he should ever play again either. Just because this happen in the NHL, doesn't make it ok. If you broke someone's neck by accident or on purpose, it doesn't mattter, "you broke his neck". What if this guy who broke his neck was your relative? Would you really forgive and forget about Todd Bertuzzi?

I think hockey should have banned fighting and stuff like that a long time ago. Body checking and stuff is ok, but when punches are thrown, and stick's in people's faces, and crossing checking. All that stuff should be banned from the league. Do u think banning all this stuff would make hockey less exiciting? probably. If you really need to bring violence into a sport, you gotta ask yourself. "Is it that boring, that you have to bring violence in to make it more exicting?". Fighting is not allowed in the NFL, NBA, MLB, but why in the NHL?

Todd Bertuzzi may be sorry, even if its genuine. I think its too late to be saying sorry.

This guy should not only be banned. He should go to jail too.

 
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Some interesting opinions here, definetely interesting...

vicLX, your opening statement about not knowing about hockey, but stating that the Leafs Rule is interesting. If you know little about hockey, what sort of credibility do you have? It's interesting that you mention the Leafs, knowing that they have several players who fit the typology of in your definition "serious f***ing problem". So, in order to enlighten you, I offer the following...

In no way do I condone his behavior; his attack on Moore was a cheap shot, that much is certain. What troubles me is how the media seems to sensitize the public into

- How his actions were planned, premediatated, and to the extent of a criminal.
- Judging him and condemning him for his actions.
- Suggesting that the law be involved to make an example out of him.

Now before you think I have no rebuttal for this, consider the following. Every aspect of your statement is identical to the same type of rhetoric that the media has been incessantly feeding to the public. Bertuzzi is evil, his actions were sick, the law should be involved, he should go to jail, he should never play again. I beg to differ.

How about Bryan Marchment, Darcy Tucker, Tie Domi? Any of these guys have been known to lose their temper. Marchment has a lengthly suspension record, and is a serious repeat offender. Tucker loses his temper quite easily at times as well. Tie Domi, well, how about his elbow on Niedermeyer during Game 4 of the playoffs nearly 3 years ago? How about last year, when Tucker and Domi fought the Ottawa bench, and both were suspended? (Mar 5/03). And in your own words, for these guys at least, it's not the first time this **** has happened (or the second, or third) for that matter.

My point is, regardless of the player, they all share the same risk, and pointing the blame to Bertuzzi as a risk in future gameplay is ignorant at best. The result of Bertuzzi's actions were unfortunate, but to single him out as the sole justification for hockey players violent behavior is simply ignorant. Examine the roster of any team and you'll find an agitator, scorer, or enforcer who, at some point in their career, has been suspended, and in some cases, some are repeat offenders (e.g. Marchment). Every player shares the same risk from other players despite who they play for or who they are.

 
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we have a talker here^^^

dude cause its the truth!!!!!!!

cause I could have come from butt fu*k nowhere without ice, and without any knowledge of hockey....and if I saw this **** in the news my opinion still goes....

this isnt about HOCKEY or how intence the fu**in' sport is... this is about human MORALE and IGNORANCE / INCOMPITANCE

and your right this doesnt just go for bertuzzi... this should go for all these players......me saying LEAFS rule is just me supporting the HOME TEAM.....

this **** went to far no matter sport or not....

i say off with this guys head!

 
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LOL... you want to talk about violence.............. dont even get me started on that topic.
there's violence everywhere......... and in every sport. you dont need to bring it in...... IT'S THERE.

fighting is allowed in those other professional sports, but it results in suspensions
they just dont happen as often
and in those sports....... their hands are more valuable to them in their game

football - they need their hands to through and catch and tackle
and you want to talk about violence........ you're telling me there is no violence in FOOTBALL?

basketball -- they need their hands to shoot, pass, rebound
you're telling me you never seen a fight in a basketball game.... ? there's been suspensions.
there's less fighting in basketball b/c their hands are more valuable in that sport

baseball -- you've never seen benches clear?????????????

fighting's been in the game of hockey since it was the beginning of the 20th century.

every league have their own rules.

in any professional sports.... what happens in the game, stays within the game and the league itself. they get paid the big bucks and the let league handle it.

 
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if he's putting million dollar players at risk..... then you better get all the inforcers in the league to stop playing.. 'cause they're ppl everybody else in the league at risk also.

GM"s... coaches... go out to get inforcers... to PROTECT THEIR STARS. they dont spend hte millions of dollars on them for no reason. they WANT THEM PROTECTED.

it's how the game is.

 
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if all you're gonna say is off with the guys head.. and regardless it's in the sport or not b/c you seen it on the news.... you're not proving your point.

if you're talking about morale and ingonorance/incompitance.....
i guess you have never stood up for a friend.

yes.. i admit that todd went over the line... and it was a pure cheap shot.
but this **** happens everyday........ whether it's being covered by the media or not.

if you want to use examples.... then let's use this:

if someone elbowed your gf.... or your best friend or a family member. are you gonna retaliate.....?
or LET THE LAW TAKE CARE OF IT?

for one.... i know i would retaliate. if some mother f u ck e r hit my gf or good friend.. not for a split second am i gonna think if it's right or wrong.. im just gonna start pounding the guy.

todd retaliated for his friend. and in the game of hockey..... YES, he did step over the line.
and in the game of any professional sport... no one wants to end ones career.

 
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you just said it.. he did go over the line... and thats that...

and if someone elbowed my GF id restrain his *** and have him charged with assault.... i know my LAW enough ....

Im not gonna say im not gonna step up for my girl or any of my friends... but Im also not greedy enough to take myself away from the PPL that care about me and sink to a LOW by beating a guy and sending my *** to jail....

there are proper ways of doing things ...and me going to jail while the guy that elbowed my girl gets the last laugh cause im charged by beating him senceless ....

really who wins that fight???

your in Jail for sticking up for your friend cause you did what this Bertizzi did and the other guy is walking around laughing at you

call mine the pu$$y way...i call it the winning /staying my a$$ outta jail way....

 
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then you just landed yourself with an assault charge....

then can i have your KW coilovers?

AznSaint i hope your not mad at me.. these are just our opinions... i men we do have the same opinions on our cars!!!

 
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call me ignorant.. or whatever.... i do call that the ***** way.

and i know the law also..... if you know enough.. you can get around it and charges on you will be dropped. IF CHARGES WERE LAID ON YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE


you're forgeting the fact that the other person can be charged with assault also.....

in reality... i would definitely retaliate... maybe it's my ego... but i sure hell aint gonna stand there and see my gf or friend with a bruise on her/his face and just stand there till a cop comes by... charge the guy.... with him getting a few days in jail at the most till he gets bail.... and by the time the court hearing comes...... community service is all he's gonna get.
and with the time he spent in jail already... it'll be considered time served.
what the hell is the point of that.

in the game of a professional sports...... it can be part of the game.. at which, it can step over the line.

....and who's gonna charge you if you retaliate... the guy that hit your friend/gf first??

 
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ignorance? incapable? *** u... i asked for opinions... not insult... so there u go...

 
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^ hahahaha

go get 'em "VtechChronicle"

 
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His hit was totally pre-meditated. I watched him chase the poor victim down while he was trying to skate away. That's just plain wrong, if not criminal.

On the other hand, unless you've played hockey you're really not in a position to comment on his actions. Having played quite a bit, I'm often tempted to start **** with players on the other team, so I could see how he could have done it in the heat of the moment. But whether you're playing in an adult amateur league or the NHL, this **** just should not be tolerated.

I think suspending him for the rest of the season and playoffs is just. Some might say that he should get a lifetime ban. I don't agree with that, he showed remorse and I'm certain he won't do that again. But, I strongly believe that the police should prosecute him with criminal charges. What happened wasn't it a fight, it was just plain ASSAULT.

When players get into fisticuffs, they both know what they are doing, and they are fully aware of the possible concequences of dropping their gloves. In this case the poor guy didn't know what him, and that's wrong. Same thing applies to no back-checking in our league. If you do that you're banned for life...

 
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yes.. he is wrong.... everybody can agree on that.
but i highly disagree on him getting charged......

if he is getting charged.... shouldnt Moore be charged on the hit on Nasland??

whatever happens in the league.. stays within the league.

if you're gonna say that he's a poor guy that didnt know what hit him...... the goes the same for Nasland.. when he was elbowed in the head. out for three games with a concussion.

Nasland going cross ice... put his head down for a split second.... <----- the most vulnerable time for a person to get hit.
at that time... Moore's intention was to HIT Nasland.......
everybody knows that if a persons head is down while going through the neutral zone... that person's odds of getting hurt has just quadrupled... at the least.
GOOD PRIME EXAMPLE..... NASLAND.
and Eric Lindros... who's bound to get checked in the neutral zone every year.... im actually sad to say that he's a Canadian.
im sure he's a good guy and all.. but that's a different issue.

and yet.. the opponents still go after them.. and laying the big hit. and chances are good that the other player will get hurt.

so, at this point... should cops get involved? ... and lay a criminal charge on the person who laid the hit? b/c his INTENTION was to hurt the guy? no.

b/c it happened in a game... in a league.... so it should stay in the league.

my main point is the word INTENTION.... which is whta you're all referring to... that, Todd's INTENTION was to hit the guy.

whether it's a sucker punch or not.... whatever happens in the league.. should stay in the league.

 
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i'm pretty sure big berts apology was sincere.... surely he's no actor.. the guy gets paid to play hockey... not make an oscar winning performace....

it was really the media that blew this WAY outta proportion... but it WAS a big thing tho.... i was watchin CNN... which IS i swear... the absolute worst news station.... they kept bringing up how violence was up in the game of hockey.... man.... every year/season something like this happens.... its just part of the game.... in the heat of the moment.... its the competitiveness of pro athletes.... so people who don't know anything about hockey or even have played hockey form an opinion on a topic which they do not have a large enuf perpective to judge it.

onto the dirty hit.... and i say dirty.... he derserved the penalty for taking out Moore, for all we know, Canucks may even WIN (ain't gonna happen cuz the Leafs r gonna win) the Stanley Cup..... just think about that as a pro athete... and one at Bertuzzi's talent.... players LIVE to hoist the cup....

as for the police getting involved... i agree that they should... because there shouldn't be something that is above the law.... u hafta draw the line somewhere....

the coaches on both teams KNEW something was going to happen... the game was like 9-1 AVS.... the coach of the AVS, Granato SHOULD have seen it coming.... i was also reading that their enforcer, Worrel wasn't even on the ice.... if Granato was smart he should've played Worrel w/ Moore...

dam... that took a long time.... dam philosophy class is paying off.

 
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haha.. seems like im the only one replying to this thread.
and one of the few who actually thinks the cops shouldnt get involved..... haha

like the guy said in one of the earlier posts... there's no violence in other sports....

take baseball for example:
a pitcher pitches at a guys head....... was it intention or not? nobody will know but the pitcher.

who follows baseball here?
remember the korean pitcher.. (forgot exactly who..) he hit a batter.. the batter charged the mound... they got in a fight. but the benches cleared... so there wasnt much of a fight

but during that time... the korean guy did attempt a karate kick on the guy.. he jumped up in mid air and did a spin and kicked him. he didnt land the full kick on him b/c ppl were holding him back.

the league fined the korean pitcher for attempting to hurt the guy.. by doing the karate kick. haha..

so ya.. at that point... should the cops get involved? ... b/c he attempted to hurt the guy with the karate kick?

NO. like i've said b4.

you cant draw the line anywhere and shouldnt.... it's just how professional sports are.

the players get paid the big bucks b/c of their talent......... AND the risks they take everytime they perform for the fans.

mainly, the risk of getting injured, from mishaps, accidental, intention, fighting, ... and any possible way of getting hurt....
which may cause them to miss a few games, the whole year, or can be career ending, or life threatening.

whatever way it is..... they are gauranteed the money.... so if anything does ever happen, their families are taken care off

like i read in the Toronto Sun yesterday.. forgot who wrote it, but like he said.. if moore didnt break any bones in his neck... it would of just been a five min. penalty with a possible game midconduct.

and if you look at it another wya... if moore wsa bigger and stronger... it wouldnt of happened.

if any of you guys looked at the hit he did on Nasland.... Nasland attempted to get out of the way... Moore stuck out his forearm and elbow and hit him.

so: if anything... Moore should get charged also on attempting to injure a player. WHICH HE DID. and it could of been MORE SERIOUS.... like bouncing his head off the ice when he fell

sometimes.. **** JUST HAPPENS. intention or not, in the game of professional sports

 
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In any sport where competition is fierce, emotions can run high, and violence can ensue. It doesn't matter what sport, it is human nature to react in a violent manner when things don't go your way.

Any sport has some history of some violent act entrenched upon it. Like aznsaint said, these athletes know the risks they take when they play. It can happen, and unfortunately in Bertuzzi's case, it did.