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Old Feb 19, 2003
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purpose of spoilers on front wheel drive

I've heard a lot of people say that's it's pointless to put a spoiler on a FWD. Now I don't want to get into a "looks" debate, because I bought an oem one and put it on my civic, because I like the looks. But my question is this: people argue that it is pointless to put them on a FWD. But isn't the function of a spoiler to create down force on the rear of the car, increased by how fast it's going? So if a FWD car has downforce on the rear of the car, it will handle better because it's center of gravity has been lowered. So why do people argue that there only designed for RWD cars? Besides, your only going to get significant down force at high speeds, not off the line right? So what's the deal? Are they insinuating that off the line the car is going to get more traction or something, because it has a spoiler? Your only going to get significant downforce at higher speeds........
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i think when people say spoilers on fwd cars are pointless they are talking about the giant aluminum wings. the oem one looks fine because it is built to flow with the car. plus i dont think there is that much down force created with the oem one, i could be wrtong tho.
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i posted an explanation a lil while back ago. in any case, at the speeds its gonna take for a spoiler to be beneficial to FWD cars, you shouldnt be driving that fast as it is.
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I initially got a spoiler for looks too b/c I have a sedan. I noticed a lot of lift in the car anywhere past 60MPH. The spoiler helps. Why do you need a spoiler more on a RWD? It's b/c when a RWD slows down with hard braking, the back wheels lose traction and the backwheels losing tractoin on a RWD car is not too good. FWD dont have that problem b/c the power comes from the front so the back lifting isnt too bad. No, there is no downforce at off the line launch unless you put 50 lb. sandbags or something. The faster you go, the more downforce. It's air thats lifting your car up, and air with a spoiler that's gonna push it down. F1 cars or Ferrari Enzo is a perfect example.
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hmmmm im pretty sure it's only at high speeds making the downforce hit your *** end.... there for taking tracktion away from the front.....
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Any downforce spoiler on a front wheel drive car is great when crossing three lanes at 140mph is what I've heard.[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
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[hr]Originally posted by: CuRiOuSfIsH
I initially got a spoiler for looks too b/c I have a sedan. I noticed a lot of lift in the car anywhere past 60MPH. The spoiler helps. Why do you need a spoiler more on a RWD? It's b/c when a RWD slows down with hard braking, the back wheels lose traction and the backwheels losing tractoin on a RWD car is not too good. FWD dont have that problem b/c the power comes from the front so the back lifting isnt too bad. No, there is no downforce at off the line launch unless you put 50 lb. sandbags or something. The faster you go, the more downforce. It's air thats lifting your car up, and air with a spoiler that's gonna push it down. F1 cars or Ferrari Enzo is a perfect example.[hr]

Your kidding me right? I mean your theory has correct parts....then a correct theory with an incorrect usage. When a car breaks the wieght it transferred to the front. So your

saying that having a wing on the back of my car will help me break faster? Is this due to having more wieght over the back wheels(increasing momentum as well) or the air

resistance it provides? If the latter maybe we could get a wing that flips up and produces more wind resistance to get you to stop even faster. The wing is there to provide

downforce on the driving wheels. A front air dam is used to do the same up front. I guess you could have a wing up front F1 style to keep the front planted as well.

Edit: Most of this is sarcastic Although a wing that flips up to help you stop would be funny. For those old enoug to remember, knight rider had this..along with body panels that stuck out to slow him down. I did mention downforce on the front. I just found it funny that he stated the wing helped you break better by planting the rear wheels.
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Uh, I thought spoilers were for downforce... An upforce spoiler would be neat, but the added weight from the support it would require and the air resistance it would create would make it completely worthless. As for spoilers on FWD cars. Well, you don't need one on a drag strip. When you're going straight forward, a spoiler's not going to do much but slow you down. But tell you what... If you get enough downforce on the back of your car, you could theoretically have it flip while going down the strip. Major pimpage points. However, if you take it to a street course or autocrossing, then the rear spoiler will create downforce to help you stick to the ground. Unfortunately, the added air resistance will also slow you down. Therefor, there's no extreme gains one way or another from having a spoiler. Except for drag racing, then it's all loss. Hehe, but I still wanna get the OEM spoiler for my car. Coupes look great with the OEM on.
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A lot of things being said, many of which is incorrect.

First off, more downforce does not mean better handling. Like with any other modifications, moderation has to be exercised.

Second, putting more downforce to the rear also affects the front, which some seem to omit. Its not simply that your rear is more planted; that means that the front also lifts to compensate, being that the weight due to air resistance gets pushed down to the rear. Given this distribution, the front loses traction; since the front wheels controls steering, the car will not be able to turn as well. Hence, the car will understeer.

Our cars understeer a lot as it is, and putting more downforce to the rear will make it understeer even more. Hence it is a bad idea for putting spoilers on our cars, wings or not. This has been covered many times. You can justify the spoiler for looks, but not at all for handling.

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I can see Guru coming in and setting ppl straight [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
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Drnknmnky13, I never mentioned have a spoiler will help you brake faster at all. I said there is better traction. Aki, youre right, I totally forgot about the front compensating for the rear. Sorry.
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For those old enoug to remember, knight rider had this..along with body panels that stuck out to slow him down. I did mention downforce on the front. I just found it funny that he stated the wing helped you break better by planting the rear wheels.[hr]
lolol so true so funny.
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joe was not necessary for this thread, aki set it straight. thx for clarifying cuz i learned something
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[hr]Originally posted by: CuRiOuSfIsH
Drnknmnky13, I never mentioned have a spoiler will help you brake faster at all. I said there is better traction. Aki, youre right, I totally forgot about the front compensating for the rear. Sorry.[/q

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[hr]Why do you need a spoiler more on a RWD? It's b/c when a RWD slows down with <font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">hard braking</font ft>, the back wheels lose traction and the backwheels losing tractoin on a RWD car is not too good[hr]
Now maybe I read it wrong or something..but thats what it seems like you were trying to say.
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