Disappointed with WRX in new Import Tuner issue.
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Disappointed with WRX in new Import Tuner issue.
In the new issue of Import Tuner Mag. They did a power page on a 2002 WRX Wagon model. And yes it is a turbo model.
The WRX turbo model that they tested in the mag was weak as hell. Its a wagon model and they first installed a big brake system all the way around. Because of this they had to put bigger wheels on it. They dynoed it bone stock and the best they got was 163 to the wheels!! That is shitty as hell. they then installed an apexi filter, gt exhaust, andhyper ground wires. Final totals where 170.3 hp and 177.9 tq. What a disappointment. I thought the WRX was better than that.
The WRX turbo model that they tested in the mag was weak as hell. Its a wagon model and they first installed a big brake system all the way around. Because of this they had to put bigger wheels on it. They dynoed it bone stock and the best they got was 163 to the wheels!! That is shitty as hell. they then installed an apexi filter, gt exhaust, andhyper ground wires. Final totals where 170.3 hp and 177.9 tq. What a disappointment. I thought the WRX was better than that.
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Rep Power: 374 They said it was due to the all-wheel drive system and all-wheel drive tranny. It think it is terrible. A almost 70 hp and tq differece from crank to wheels no thank you. I rather get a base model with the 2.5L its got 150ish to the wheels. Then turbo it with the money you would save from the difference of the base model to the turbo model.
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Rep Power: 0 ooh noo I am disapointed aswell that is sad on behalf of Subaru I hope that is not a true test and hopefully a fake
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Not sure what a WRX gets stock to the wheels, but don't forget AWD has the most power loss from the crank to the wheels. However, because of AWD launches, that's what makes them run quicker times than say the same car with RWD or FWD.
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Rep Power: 400 Yup.... there are rollers for all 4 wheels. in fact, they show a pic of one i believe in the last sport compact car in their ultimate car shootout. it was a 4 wheel dynapack dyno.
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Rep Power: 318 Cobb Tuning used to have a shop that had a 4 wheel dyno somewhere around Arlington, but that was last year, I think they changed locations. Dont quote me on this but I was about to buy a WRX so I was checkin on all the performance shops, & I heard about it from alot of people but I never went there so...
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[hr]Well, turbo's will lose power if the environment is hot. WRX does have huge drivetrain loss. However, those mods shuold have put up some more HP. [QUOTE]Quote
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They temp. they dynoed at was 67.1 fahrenheit.
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[hr]Well, turbo's will lose power if the environment is hot. WRX does have huge drivetrain loss. However, those mods shuold have put up some more HP. [QUOTE]Quote
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They temp. they dynoed at was 67.1 fahrenheit.
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Rep Power: 0 I've been researching the WRX and if I'm not mistaken does the turbo model still not run a 14.2 stock? And has anybody checked out the STi coming out? Its going to have somethin around 300 hp and 300 tq, and will be running a 13.4 for a little above 30 g's? I still think the WRX (even if its not the STi) puts out the best perfomance for the money... I just wish it looked a little different... Just my opinion
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[hr]Originally posted by: Jodster
The WRX turbo model that they tested in the mag was weak as hell. Its a wagon model and <font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">they first installed a big brake system all the way around. Because of this they had to put bigger wheels on it.</font ft> They dynoed it bone stock and the best they got was 163 to the wheels!! That is shitty as hell. they then installed an apexi filter, gt exhaust, andhyper ground wires. Final totals where 170.3 hp and 177.9 tq. What a disappointment. I thought the WRX was better than that.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Jodster
The WRX turbo model that they tested in the mag was weak as hell. Its a wagon model and <font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">they first installed a big brake system all the way around. Because of this they had to put bigger wheels on it.</font ft> They dynoed it bone stock and the best they got was 163 to the wheels!! That is shitty as hell. they then installed an apexi filter, gt exhaust, andhyper ground wires. Final totals where 170.3 hp and 177.9 tq. What a disappointment. I thought the WRX was better than that.[hr]
Not to mention 7hp to the wheels is pretty good for just a cat-back and an air filter; especially on a car with a higher % of drivetrain loss like an AWD car.
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Rep Power: 0 I can understand how some people would be surprised by the high drivetrain loss, but having AWD more than makes up for it in my opinion.
How fast does a 2.5 RS run the 1/4?
How fast does a 2.5 RS run the 1/4?
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Thats what i said when i read that article. I was really disappointed. But, i read somewhere that the wheel horsepower is 190-ish. I cant remember tho. hey have a good arguement about the AWD. But, really, who care. The car still hauls a$$.
PS: Oh I forgot to tell u guys. I GOT ONE. Only a week old. Ill post pics as soon as i get the film developed.
Its aspen white, with wing and CF trim.
Thats what i said when i read that article. I was really disappointed. But, i read somewhere that the wheel horsepower is 190-ish. I cant remember tho. hey have a good arguement about the AWD. But, really, who care. The car still hauls a$$.
PS: Oh I forgot to tell u guys. I GOT ONE. Only a week old. Ill post pics as soon as i get the film developed.
Its aspen white, with wing and CF trim.
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Rep Power: 0 my best friend has a WRX with intake, exhaust, up-pipe and down pipe. just those mods gave it a night and day difference in performance. he lets me drive it when i want when we got out, and trust me, if you got to drive one, you wouldnt be dissapointed. that thing will break you freakin neck launchin. i think if you drove one it would change your mind.
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Rep Power: 0 i know if you modify the full exhaust (including header) and remove all 3 cats it will be a big difference. to be exact, i was quoted around 25hp and 30 ft lbs. of torque from a scooby owner who did it. i would definitely get a clutch & lightened flywheel from the get-go, make sure the car put's all the power to the ground when launching at high rpm's
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Rep Power: 0 Cmon guys I know this is 7thGen Civic forums and you guys don't have all that much car knowledge but cmon. For one I wouldn't read Import Tuner as the end all for performance gains. With a full exhaust and boost controller you can get 200hp at the wheels. People are running 13.6-13.8 with just an $30 manual boost controller. Right now I have a full exhaust plus a chip and have 230hp at the wheels which should be good for a 13 flat 1/4 mile time, I will find out this spring. I can't wait to pick up a bigger turbo and injectors/fuel pump and really start wreaking some havoc. My buddy with a 99 SI just traded his in for a WRX, you can't beat boost. The WRX is definately the best bang for the buck well next to the Neon SRT-4 but talk about torque steer, all that torque and no limited slip, no thanks I'll keep my WRX. Before you guys start dissing the WRX because of some crappy gains from Import Tuner think of the source you're getting it from, it seems Import Tuner cares more about a "Phat Yo" body kits than actual performance. BOOST. BOOST. BOOST. That is all.
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Rep Power: 0 Well you are right and you are wrong. There are four major dyno machines and they all give off different variations. They are as follows:
AWD Dyno Dynamics 162WHP
AWD Dynapack 175WHP
AWD Mustang 180WHP
AWD Dynojet 190WHP
AWD Dyno Dynamics 162WHP
AWD Dynapack 175WHP
AWD Mustang 180WHP
AWD Dynojet 190WHP
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Dang!
Thats what i said when i read that article. I was really disappointed. But, i read somewhere that the wheel horsepower is 190-ish. I cant remember tho. hey have a good arguement about the AWD. But, really, who care. The car still hauls a$$.
PS: Oh I forgot to tell u guys. I GOT ONE. Only a week old. Ill post pics as soon as i get the film developed.
Its aspen white, with wing and CF trim.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: VTecnology
Dang!
Thats what i said when i read that article. I was really disappointed. But, i read somewhere that the wheel horsepower is 190-ish. I cant remember tho. hey have a good arguement about the AWD. But, really, who care. The car still hauls a$$.
PS: Oh I forgot to tell u guys. I GOT ONE. Only a week old. Ill post pics as soon as i get the film developed.
Its aspen white, with wing and CF trim.[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. For one the RS does not make 150 at the wheels, it's 160 at the crank. And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. I'm sorry but I'd rather take a car with low compression that has a motor built to handle a lot of boost than take a high compression motor and boost that. Although eventually I would like to build up a 2.5 liter block with low compression to handle a lot of boost. Plus there are tons of other differnces making the WRX better, like the entire suspension being different, brakes etc.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Jodster
They said it was due to the all-wheel drive system and all-wheel drive tranny. It think it is terrible. A almost 70 hp and tq differece from crank to wheels no thank you. I rather get a base model with the 2.5L its got 150ish to the wheels. Then turbo it with the money you would save from the difference of the base model to the turbo model.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Jodster
They said it was due to the all-wheel drive system and all-wheel drive tranny. It think it is terrible. A almost 70 hp and tq differece from crank to wheels no thank you. I rather get a base model with the 2.5L its got 150ish to the wheels. Then turbo it with the money you would save from the difference of the base model to the turbo model.[hr]
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And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. [hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: BoostGeek
And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. [hr]
jodster- please educate yourself before talking. intake does NOTHING for the wrx. muffler does NOTHING for the wrx. wires? wtf? thats supposed to give more hp now? im actually suprised they got that much power out of those mods. uppipe, downpipe and back ALONE give about 30 to the ground. find good prices, and that should cost much less than 1000 dollars. if you want to go the cheap way, throw in an mbc, and youre looking at serious power already. for 1000 in upgrades for any honda, thats intake, exhaust and cams (sans install). and youre LUCKY if you see 20-25hp...and not to mention youre already hitting the limit of bolt-ons. you just cant beat the upgradability of the wrx. the wrx is just beginning to show its potential with exhaust...then you can move on to a bigger (direct swap) turbo, some bigger injectors, and an ecu, and by then you can be pushing 350+ easy. if you want to learn more about the rex, i suggest reading www.clubwrx.net. dont get me wrong, i love hondas. im a hardcore honda fan at heart...but honda has yet to provide a competitor to the wrx/STi in my mind as far as price/performance goes...
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[hr]Originally posted by: happasaiyan
the funny thing is...these civic guys must be thinking, "what?? 15.8 isnt slow!!!" hahahaha
jodster- please educate yourself before talking. intake does NOTHING for the wrx. muffler does NOTHING for the wrx. wires? wtf? thats supposed to give more hp now? im actually suprised they got that much power out of those mods. uppipe, downpipe and back ALONE give about 30 to the ground. find good prices, and that should cost much less than 1000 dollars. if you want to go the cheap way, throw in an mbc, and youre looking at serious power already. for 1000 in upgrades for any honda, thats intake, exhaust and cams (sans install). and youre LUCKY if you see 20-25hp...and not to mention youre already hitting the limit of bolt-ons. you just cant beat the upgradability of the wrx. the wrx is just beginning to show its potential with exhaust...then you can move on to a bigger (direct swap) turbo, some bigger injectors, and an ecu, and by then you can be pushing 350+ easy. if you want to learn more about the rex, i suggest reading www.clubwrx.net. dont get me wrong, i love hondas. im a hardcore honda fan at heart...but honda has yet to provide a competitor to the wrx/STi in my mind as far as price/performance goes...[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: BoostGeek
And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. [hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: BoostGeek
And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. [hr]
jodster- please educate yourself before talking. intake does NOTHING for the wrx. muffler does NOTHING for the wrx. wires? wtf? thats supposed to give more hp now? im actually suprised they got that much power out of those mods. uppipe, downpipe and back ALONE give about 30 to the ground. find good prices, and that should cost much less than 1000 dollars. if you want to go the cheap way, throw in an mbc, and youre looking at serious power already. for 1000 in upgrades for any honda, thats intake, exhaust and cams (sans install). and youre LUCKY if you see 20-25hp...and not to mention youre already hitting the limit of bolt-ons. you just cant beat the upgradability of the wrx. the wrx is just beginning to show its potential with exhaust...then you can move on to a bigger (direct swap) turbo, some bigger injectors, and an ecu, and by then you can be pushing 350+ easy. if you want to learn more about the rex, i suggest reading www.clubwrx.net. dont get me wrong, i love hondas. im a hardcore honda fan at heart...but honda has yet to provide a competitor to the wrx/STi in my mind as far as price/performance goes...[hr]
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Cmon guys I know this is 7thGen Civic forums and you guys don't have all that much car knowledge but cmon[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: BoostGeek
Cmon guys I know this is 7thGen Civic forums and you guys don't have all that much car knowledge but cmon[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: happasaiyan
the funny thing is...these civic guys must be thinking, "what?? 15.8 isnt slow!!!" hahahaha
jodster- please educate yourself before talking. intake does NOTHING for the wrx. muffler does NOTHING for the wrx. wires? wtf? thats supposed to give more hp now? im actually suprised they got that much power out of those mods. uppipe, downpipe and blah blah blah blah........ but honda has yet to provide a competitor to the wrx/STi in my mind as far as price/performance goes...[hr]
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And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. [hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: BoostGeek
And it is slow as a dog 15.8-16 second 1/4 mile times. [hr]
jodster- please educate yourself before talking. intake does NOTHING for the wrx. muffler does NOTHING for the wrx. wires? wtf? thats supposed to give more hp now? im actually suprised they got that much power out of those mods. uppipe, downpipe and blah blah blah blah........ but honda has yet to provide a competitor to the wrx/STi in my mind as far as price/performance goes...[hr]
And we all know the endless and cheap mod potential of a turbo. You're preaching to the wrong choir. I'm sure there's a thread somewhere on clubwrx that says "look at all the stupid civic owners", but regardless, we do know more than you think.
I've rode in a WRX on a race track before, and boy let me tell you that thing PULLS like a bat out of hell. EXTREME acceleration. ( it was lightly modded however boost control etc)
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[hr]Originally posted by: S2000man01
...Honda doesn't make a car that matches that kinda price and performance. But keep in mind 2 things.... 1) honda doesn't make an AWD production car, much less a turbo'd one. 2) even the WRX with it's 2.0 liter 4 cylinder with turbo, honda got more out of the same sized engine and NATURALLY ASPIRATED.
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[hr]Originally posted by: S2000man01
...Honda doesn't make a car that matches that kinda price and performance. But keep in mind 2 things.... 1) honda doesn't make an AWD production car, much less a turbo'd one. 2) even the WRX with it's 2.0 liter 4 cylinder with turbo, honda got more out of the same sized engine and NATURALLY ASPIRATED.
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Ummm.. torque? Powerband?
