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Which company gets more out of their technology???

Which is better, Toyota's VVTL-I, Honda's I-VTEC, or BMW's DOUBLE VANOS? does anyone have charts or anything to prove which is better?
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In what ways, fuel economy, power....?
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BMW!!! why cuz its BMW!!!
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which company gets more out of their technology?

how about Ferrari.
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which company gets more out of their technology?

how about Ferrari.[hr]
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BMW. Look at the M3!
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i dont know, i seem to like the VQ engine from nissan.

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BMW's double vanos doesn't have variable lift like i-VTEC and VVTL-i do.
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Nissan motors are continuously variable.
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lets not forget rotary its not variable but damn there nice and fast
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lets not forget rotary its not variable but damn there nice and fast[hr]
They're also horrible on emissions. Hopefully the RX-8 will be slightly better.
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how about Langorghini with vaiable intake system...
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well, if there was ever a time to bring up hp/liter this is it.

Obviously VTEC does somethin right if honda got 120hp/liter naturally aspirated. Name any of those other companies that even come close to that kind of efficiency out of their technology.
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lets not forget rotary its not variable but damn there nice and fast[hr]
They're also horrible on emissions. Hopefully the RX-8 will be slightly better.[hr]
fyi the rx-8 is not a replacement for the rx-7 and its not going to be as fast its going to be targeted towards the sports sedan crowd
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well, if there was ever a time to bring up hp/liter this is it.

Obviously VTEC does somethin right if honda got 120hp/liter naturally aspirated. Name any of those other companies that even come close to that kind of efficiency out of their technology.[hr]
How about ft/lbs per liter? Companies that favor turbochargers as their technology of choice are making over 100 ft/lbs per liter. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]
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well, if there was ever a time to bring up hp/liter this is it.

Obviously VTEC does somethin right if honda got 120hp/liter naturally aspirated. Name any of those other companies that even come close to that kind of efficiency out of their technology.[hr]
How about ft/lbs per liter? Companies that favor turbochargers as their technology of choice are making over 100 ft/lbs per liter. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG][hr]
76.5lb/ft per liter.... pretty damn high up there too. Especially for an n/a 2.0 liter.

I think they are talking about things other than turbos, but yeah, turbo is a widely used technology I suppose. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

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Yeah to be honest i think F1 cars only make like 85ft/lbs per liter, so the S2000 is pretty high up there compared to anything NA really.
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what about porsche's version of it all, which doesn't have a name but has both variable lift and timing? it's GREAT! i know from experience (dad has a 2002 911 Carrera 4-S, which has the variable lift and timing - 320 HP, 315 ft-lbs).
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doesn't the M3 get 100hp per liter??
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Porsches system is called VarioCam. It's very similar to honda's i-VTEC.
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I've read many commentaries on how Toyota's VVT-I is the most advanced and expensive of the VVT methods. I'll try to get the link... Look at Toyota's 1UZ-FE 4.3L v8 motor, its power and gas milage. The GS430 weighs around 4,300 lbs and goes from 0 to 60 in 5.7 S and the gas milage is 20=28 i believe. Thats impressive for a V8,also the first DOCH V8 (or any v8 for that matter) to achieve a ULEV status.

Oh and the Infiniti Q45 is 200 lbs lighter and takes .4 S longer to get to 60 MPH than the Lexus LS430... and the LS430 has 60 less horsepower
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well i think honda... the s2000 has 120hp/liter and the RSX type R 110/Liter... with out turbo


in a few forms, some insurance companies reconize rx-7's as 2 cylinder cars, thus cheap insurance.

so i would also pick a RX-8 because engine produces horsepower of 250 @ 8500 rpm , the highest power density ever achieved by a naturally aspirated rotary engine for a road-going automobile from a 1.3 liter engine
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[hr]Name any of those other companies that even come close to that kind of efficiency out of their technology.[hr]
Well ferrari might not just be one of 'those' companies, but the enzo gets 110HP per liter
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Yes I know the RX8 is not a replacement for the RX7. I said that because it will be a new rotary engine.

I still like the fact, this was on TV last week, most HP per liter is the S2000. Props to Honda. Good news for S2000 man. What's your fuel economy like anyway lol.
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Well oddly enough, many S2k owners find we get much better gas mileage than what is rated. I've gotten 30-31mpg on long freeway trips. On average, even when driving the way I do, I get about 25-26mpg.
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